Not By Works

probably we both miss an infinite amount.
it is not simple, in my belief; the Bible is never simple.

if the tax is the tax in Exodus 30:11-16 it is "for the ransom of your souls" then what is this event a picture of?

it comes right after Jesus tells them the gospel - that He will go and die and resurrect.
when the other disciples hear this they start asking about greatness in the kingdom, and Jesus tells them no, you must be like children ((ch. 18))

that's the context, right after revealing Himself as God ((transfiguration)) and removing a demon that they cannot because they lack faith. it's no accident that it's here.

why is it one coin, in a fish?
sufficient both for Jesus and for Peter?
why does He call him 'Simon' even while the rest of the text in the same sentence calls him Peter?
why doesn't He let Simon Peter speak?
why don't they ask about Peter's tax, only Christ's?
who is ultimately providing this ransom?
why is this paid even though He says the sons are exempt/free ?
what does He mean, 'lest we offend them' ? offend who? why does He care? are they supposed to be collecting this at all? are they supposed to be collecting this specifically from Christ? from Simon Peter?
why is the coin not a temple shekel?

((plus approx. 8,000 other questions that need answering))

he told you.
Christ is God.
Christ is the father in this parable, and He welcomed the destitute son with rejoicing when he returned to Him.
the one who complains about His rejoicing over the lost sheep who looked to the Father in his iniquity is the pharisee.

who is the pharisee in Matthew 17:24-27?
what is he trying to do by approaching Simon Peter with a question about tax, disguised in false humility?
what pharisees always do - try to trap Jesus in His words so they can ((falsely)) accuse Him.
what's the trap in Matthew 17:24-27?
what are they planning to accuse Jesus of?

its crazy !

lots of know it alls in here too ugggg

i cringe when i hear preachers switch from plain English to "kjv-speech" when they close their sermons with a prayer...

.. on the other hand my own wife sometimes says 'thee' and 'thy' and i know when she does she's trying to express the utmost sincerity of her love to me.
e.g. she says, "i love you" often, and of course she means it, but it's kind of everyday or ordinary. sometimes she says "i love thee" and when she does, i know she is in those moments full of emotion. i know, even though it might be in a text or written on paper, that if i heard her say it i would hear something in her voice that's different, see something in her eyes that's more.

but maybe 100% of the time i hear someone give a sermon in regular, normal, common English, and suddenly start speaking like they're trying to quote Shakespeare from a foggy memory as soon as the start to pray into their microphone, i don't hear emotion. i hear pretentiousness & facade. and i cringe!

Alright, posthuman, what is your story? What are you up to? You are tougher to peg than most here.

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this is my story, this is my song -- praising my Saviour all the day long!

Fair enough, but I'm on wolf duty this shift.

I have a message and am here to receive a message. What are you here for?

fellowship, growing in knowledge of God, etc

originally i found this forum several years ago because i was researching eclectic Christian music and one band i was trying to find, google-search only had like 4 hits, and one of them was someone in the music section mentioning them. can't even remember the band or the thread or anything now lol

came for the food, stayed because i found family. 'wherever two or more are gathered..'
i've learned alot, and i discovered i actually knew some things that some other people didn't so lo and behold, i was sometimes useful. not often, but sometimes hahaha
plus, there's a lack of mathematicians, so i could fill a role

put it this way:
i study sword fighting. longsword specifically.
a huge part of doing that is practice. how do you get good at wielding a sword? spar. hear what masters have to say. watch others spar. train. constant use, building muscle-memory. actual engagement.
we have a sword, the Spirit, the Word. i'm not a complete idiot ((only partial)) -- so how do i gain skillfulness with it? same thing.
hence, Bible forum denizen.

Nice.

Well, have you considered going pro?

Again, you must defect from your own preaching. And God's instructions are His not mine. If I submit myself to them, I am submitting to His Righteousness, not my works.

But to the verses you posted to draw attention away from your own words. What Law was given by God to cleanse unrighteousness, or sins? It's an easy question to answer. I've asked before but you refuse to answer.

The Christ said "After those days" He Himself would forgive sins. Prior to that, what Law was given to remove sin? How was a man made righteous before "Those Days" according to the Law of Moses?

Did God direct a man to "love His neighbor" to atone for sins? How about " Keep God's Sabbath Holy"? Did the Christ say, if you sin, "Keep the Sabbath" and your sins will be cleansed?

No Post. The Bible, even yours, says that "Before those days" the Christ mentioned in Jer. 31, but 430 years after Abraham obeyed God, He created a "Priesthood LAW" specifically for 2 things.

#1. cleansing of sins

#2. Administration of God's Laws

According to this Law that Paul said was "ADDED", a person could be cleansed of his sins (Made Righteous) by following specific "Works of the Law". It was called the Levitical Priesthood in Hebrews 7-10.

The Mainstream Preachers of Paul's time were still pushing a version of these sacrificial "Works of the Law" for the remission of sins, and not Faith in the Christ who created this "shadow" of His Sacrifice in the first place.

It was not the blood of animals that made a man righteous, it was always the Blood of Christ slain from the foundation of the world. Zechariahs, Simeon, Anna, the Wise Men, these all knew this truth because they "Loved God" and kept His Commandments. And the Christ revealed Himself as He promised.

But the Pharisees didn't Love God, and didn't keep His Commandments. Therefore they didn't KNOW the prophesied Christ and continued to shed the blood of animals for righteousness, instead of having Faith in Christ as did Abraham.

In both Philippians and Galatians Paul is contending with the mainstream Preachers of His time who didn't believe Jesus was the prophesied Messiah and were still pushing "works of the Law" for "justification" of sins. As it is written.

16 Knowing that a man is not justified by the works of the law, but by the faith of Jesus Christ, (the reason for the Priesthood in the first place) even we have believed in Jesus Christ, that we might be justified by the faith of Christ, and not by the works of the law: for by the works of the law shall no flesh be justified.

Heb. 10:
3 But in those sacrifices there is a remembrance again made of sins every year.
4 For it is not possible that the blood of bulls and of goats should take away sins.

5 Wherefore when he cometh into the world, (AFTER THOSE DAYS) he saith, Sacrifice and offering thou wouldest not, but a body hast thou prepared me:

Of course, if you have been convinced that all of God's LAWS are unrighteous, and a burden and are against us, then you might twist these scriptures, as do many, to say Paul is speaking about the 10 Commandments and the Law and Prophets and not the Priesthood that the Christ said would end "After those days".

As you said: EVERY WORD

Amen!!!

this is all previously discussed 7,000 times.

what does it have to do with Matthew 17:24-27?
you complain no one addresses you, but when i give you the scripture that addresses you, you utterly ignore it in favor of twisted personal attacks. for days on end.

get to studying, study-dude. it's saturday.
hating your brother is not the Lord's work.

"hating your brother is not the Lord's work."

It sure isn't but at least you acknowledge you are brothers

Well, wasn't talking about your longswording, though I would try you with a sabre (yes, lots of rolling and dodging you, haha)

Talking about, well, you know, going pro. Christendom is in shambles, as is evidenced by every church I have walked into this year, every Christian I have spoken to this year, and by every message board I have visited. Time to get some points on the board for our team. Talented? Ha. Christians are followers of the truth, an unnatural advantage in this world.

What's the worst that could happen? You exchange some of the time from posting here and instead work within a group, with training, support, funding, and a clear agenda....

Think about it. This account will be active for...well, January, I'm guessing.

You seem to once again omit the very reason for his reply.

I asked the question. "If the son had not returned and humbled himself to the Father in repentance and true sorrow, would he still have receive the blessing?

He replied "Christ is God, something I agree with, but not an answer to the question I posed. You also didn't answer the question. What is so difficult with this question?

I understand and agree with the Gospel Post. It's your words and preaching that I question. It is also your choice to deflect from answering the very relevant questions I have asked, for some 13 months now.

Just because I don't follow your religious doctrines and traditions or the Popes, or Benny Hinn doesn't mean I don't understand the Gospel. Answer my questions? Make your case with something more than lip service. I'm all ears.

Remember: it's "EVERY WORD"

I don't hate you. And refusing to answer relevant questions about your own words is not "discussion". It's deflection.

Opening God's Word and showing where you have been misled is not hatred. It's God's Love.

And you omitted part of God's word in your attempt to promote your religion. Let's include all His Word's so we can better understand His message.

7 But if the ministration of death, written and engraven in stones, was glorious, so that the children of Israel could not stedfastly behold the face of Moses for the glory of his countenance; which glory was to be done away:
8 How shall not the ministration of the spirit be rather glorious?

Heb. 8:
4 For if he were on earth, he should not be a priest, seeing that there are priests that offer gifts according to the law:
5 Who serve unto the example and shadow of heavenly things, as Moses was admonished of God when he was about to make the tabernacle: for, See, saith he, that thou make all things according to the pattern shewed to thee in the mount.

Heb. 10:
7 Then said I, Lo, I come (in the volume of the book it is written of me,) to do thy will, O God.
8 Above when he said, Sacrifice and offering and burnt offerings and offering for sin thou wouldest not, neither hadst pleasure therein; which are offered by the law; (What Law did Abraham have for the remission of sins?)

9 Then said he, Lo, I come to do thy will, O God. He taketh away the first, (Levitical Priesthood) that he may establish the second.

Heb. 7:22 By so much was Jesus made a surety of a better testament.
23 And they truly were many priests, because they were not suffered to continue by reason of death:

24 But this man, because he continueth ever, hath an unchangeable priesthood.

If you refuse to accept Paul's teaching regarding the difference between the "Law of Works" and the "Law of faith" then you will never understand the Gospel he furthered.

A little leaven.

Remember; EVERY WORD

I believe the Word of God which tells me nothing can separate me from Him. Once saved, always saved. If there are many who claim Him yet do not know Him, they were never saved to begin with.