Two posters say their opinion is from God, yet disagree. Now what?

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marinerscatch

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You ignore the fact that to understand an issue you have to read in context all verses on the issue. Looks to me like you don't even attempt to get even a partial list!!



Wow, that is some kind of stretch of assumption right there..

Should I have included my Youngs, Dake, Strong's Concordances? Every scripture I break down is through comparison of all other scripture. But since words can literally have several meanings (virgin birth = young maiden, just newlywed girl, and few others), a lot of scriptures only have a few scriptures that actually relate to it. It irritates me to listen to a preacher use scripture knowing how the key words are defined and don't even relate to one another. To me, that is 2 things..ignorance or complete deception.
 

blueluna5

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Both can be correct. By human nature we assume opposites to be incorrect. We know the opposite of up is down and they can not be the same.

However life is much more complicated than that. Both people may have experienced a part of God but take it to mean different things. And it may mean different things depending on what the person is going through. Doesn't make one right and one wrong. Both are interpreted differently by each person. A lot of experiences are metaphors or parables. Very open to interpretation..and that's on purpose.
 

marinerscatch

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Both can be correct. By human nature we assume opposites to be incorrect. We know the opposite of up is down and they can not be the same.

However life is much more complicated than that. Both people may have experienced a part of God but take it to mean different things. And it may mean different things depending on what the person is going through. Doesn't make one right and one wrong. Both are interpreted differently by each person. A lot of experiences are metaphors or parables. Very open to interpretation..and that's on purpose.


Also growth in God can be applied. What you feel a verse means today, many times will change as you grow in God.
 

Sketch

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Personally I think the NIV or any paraphrase is inadequate for bible STUDY. NIV is less offensive. I prefer using the NKJV or the NASB.
The NIV is a translation, not a paraphrase.
The NKJV is not actually a new translation, as I understand it.
I think it is only a language update. With inherent problems, again, as I understand it.
 

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Our positions on these forums are our opinions on the topics. If my opinion starts coming from God, that sort of takes my free will away from me, to form my own opinions. So when someone says their position comes directly from God, I take it with a grain of salt knowing God isn't going to take their free will from them, so their opinion isn't from God...it's their interpretation of something God led them to see at best.
What if they use their supposedly "directly from God" position to nullify your opinion?
 

Sketch

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Both can be correct. By human nature we assume opposites to be incorrect. We know the opposite of up is down and they can not be the same.

However life is much more complicated than that. Both people may have experienced a part of God but take it to mean different things. And it may mean different things depending on what the person is going through. Doesn't make one right and one wrong. Both are interpreted differently by each person. A lot of experiences are metaphors or parables. Very open to interpretation..and that's on purpose.
That's fine. But I am talking about two people claiming God directed insight that is 180 degrees opposite.
 

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What if they use their supposedly "directly from God" position to nullify your opinion?
They are free to their opinions on things...it doesn't negate mine just because theirs is different. The Lord gives to each based upon his/her knowledge, experience, methods....their ways, so why should it negate mine just because someone else's ways are different?
if that makes sense? lol
 

Sketch

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They are free to their opinions on things...it doesn't negate mine just because theirs is different. The Lord gives to each based upon his/her knowledge, experience, methods....their ways, so why should it negate mine just because someone else's ways are different?
if that makes sense? lol
You are right, it shouldn't negate your opinion. I'm saying that is their purpose. How do you handle that?
Do you let them win? Or object?
 

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sometimes opinions and interpretations can differ according to the calling in place of a individual person as long as it is in line with scripture
 

CharliRenee

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sometimes opinions and interpretations can differ according to the calling in place of a individual person as long as it is in line with scripture
Would love to pock your brain on this more. Truth doesn't change but our understanding of it can. Is that what you mean, Sis?
 

GardenofWeeden

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You are right, it shouldn't negate your opinion. I'm saying that is their purpose. How do you handle that?
Do you let them win? Or object?
Normally I let them win with a roll of my eyes. lol but if I am in a snarky mood, I'll argue a bit. I'm not super argumentative over the Bible usually though. I let them know they are entitled to think their opinions are words straight from God, just like I am entitled to think I am 21, brunette and a world traveler :)
 

Demi777

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Would love to pock your brain on this more. Truth doesn't change but our understanding of it can. Is that what you mean, Sis?
Yaa kinda.
I see that depending on peoples callings and gift, they see things a little different.
The body of Christ is with many parts and all parts together make the body.
Someone who God calls to inner healing will have a slightly different view of some verses than someone who is into spiritual warfare or serving or preaching,..etc
 

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As for the OP, here is my answer.

People today come up with all these differing opinioins because they know nothing about Bible interpretation, or hermeneutics. They pull one verse out of context, and make a doctrine out of it. The JWs do that, and the Word Faith are very bad at that.

There are just a few basic principles.

1. Context
A. What do the surrounding verses say? The passage? The chapter? The book? The rest of the Bible? In light of Jesus? Half the problems would be gone if people wouldn't take part of a verse and make a doctrine out of it.
B. The book was written to a certain people, or person at a specific time. First, what does it say to that people, or person in that time? The Bible was written to us, in the future, but only secondarily. Once we understand the original context, the culture, the surrounding cultures, what had gone before, or will come after, only then can we carefully apply it to now, our lives, and our church community. And that still leaves a lot of Scripture for us. Someone posted something from Jeremiah the other day on here, said it applied to us. Asked why did God write it if it wasn't for us? Seriously?? How culture centric can you get? Jeremiah was told by God to give warnings to Judah if they didn't repent of worshipping idols. Now, if people are worshipping idols today, then we can apply it to now. But, always remembering that Israel and Judah were the examples.
C. Good Bible interpretation requires that you can NOT make a doctrine out of one verse. Or one verse in the OT and the quoted passage in the NT. So, there are no "new" so called revelations from God. But, the old ones should take us a life time to understand.

For example, if someone tells you that you MUST be healed according to Isa. 53:5d, first. Read the surrounding verses, which are describing sin, and the cure for sin. Then read the chapter, which is describing sin. Then read all of Isaiah, having first looked up the background. The first chaper is always very important, in a book. Isa. 1 is all about Israel being sin-sick. Then ask for the 20 other verses and passages that show you MUST be healed. I am not talking about citing Jesus miracles. Of course he healed! It was as sign he was the Messiah, and fufilled the prophecies, besides his compassion for others. And there are some difficult passages, take the time to see if they really mean name it and claim it, or something else.

See, it isn't hard. You don't even need to know Greek or Hebrew, and any translation, so long as you understand the words, says the same thing. Of course, if you have not studied 16th century English, probably not the best version to use. Although I know there are those in this forum, who really have studied those words, and understand the meanings.

As for "God told me so" extra biblical revelation is so fraught with holes, at that point, time to walk away. Supposedly , God can confirm anything anyone wants. But, if it is different from what the Bible says, it brings us back to false prophecies, which were punished by death in the OT! That is one thing you can remind people who say "God told me" if it contradicts the Bible. Too much of that going around these days. (I am not even speaking of this forum, but TV preachers and those types.!)
 

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Half the problems would be gone if people wouldn't take part of a verse and make a doctrine out of it.
Right. That's what I call "proof-texting". Going to the Bible looking for authority to bolster your personal point of view.
It's not the same as biblical proof. The opposite actually. But difficult to detect at times.
 

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Good Bible interpretation requires that you can NOT make a doctrine out of one verse. Or one verse in the OT and the quoted passage in the NT.
My other pet peeve is someone doing that with a single verse from the poetry books in the Bible.
I object, and they get furious with me for disrespecting "God's Holy Word". Sorry, it just doesn't work that way.
 

Sketch

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So, there are no "new" so called revelations from God. But, the old ones should take us a life time to understand.
I believe that the gift of prophecy is still in use today. But it is not delivering a continuing revelation of doctrines.
And any prophecy that disagrees with the Bible should be dismissed immediately. Here's my definition of prophecy.

1 Corinthians 14:3
But the one who prophesies speaks to people for their strengthening, encouraging and comfort.
 

Sketch

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I am not talking about citing Jesus miracles. Of course he healed! It was as sign he was the Messiah, and fulfilled the prophecies, besides his compassion for others.
I believe that God was healing through Jesus in his humanity, not that Jesus was healing as an aspect of his divinity.
If that was so, why would he leave his disciples with this instruction?

Matthew 10:8
Heal the sick, raise the dead, cleanse those who have leprosy, drive out demons. Freely you have received; freely give.

John 14:12
Very truly I tell you, whoever believes in me will do the works I have been doing, and they will do even greater things than these, because I am going to the Father.
 

Sketch

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As for "God told me so" extra biblical revelation is so fraught with holes, at that point, time to walk away. Supposedly , God can confirm anything anyone wants. But, if it is different from what the Bible says, it brings us back to false prophecies, which were punished by death in the OT! That is one thing you can remind people who say "God told me" if it contradicts the Bible. Too much of that going around these days. (I am not even speaking of this forum, but TV preachers and those types.!)
This is a tricky subject, and the reason I launched this topic.
On one hand I believe that the Holy Sprit guides us into truth, and that God speaks to people.
On the other hand we are not supposed to use those things as weapons against each other.
 

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It is obvious you didn't read what I posted about the number of translators and how they diligently worked to make it be faithful to the original language.

Where does all this garbage come from!!
He said the NIV was a thought for thought translation. What's wrong with that? It's supposed to be a 'dynamic equivalence' translation rather than a 'formal equivalence' translation. An example would be saying 'they were not a little comforted' in a formal equivalence translation that translates the actual words in a way that sounds awkward in English, but captures that peculiarity of the text. A dynamic equivalence translation may say 'and they were greatly comforted.' I think describing that as 'thought for thought' translation is a reasonable description.
 
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7seasrekeyed

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Playing the "God told me card" in a discussion on bible topics is usually the last gasp sign of desperation - much along the lines of "we'll see" when applied to futurist eschatologies or arguments with an atheist about the existence of God.

true

and often enough, the first thing a person who manipulates and expects to be 'obeyed' will say

tap tap on the shoulder...'I have a message for you from GOD!!!'

seriously? Moses is dead and now we have the Holy Spirit inside of us. we can fellowship with God and He invites us to do so

the Bible does contain things hard to understand, but understanding that Jesus died for you and God loves you is not hard

sometimes that is hard to accept ... Christians can be terribly unloving while excusing that behavior with self-righteous indignation as in 'how dare you get the Bible wrong!'

well, we have all got it wrong and some more than others which is why we are supposed to hold others in esteem...but frankly I have not yet managed that with the ones I reference as 'trumpet mouths'...always self proclaiming they are the embodiment of truth itself

end of rant

that was not all directed to you Locutus...but just used your posts as a diving platform :giggle: