Not By Works

Am I frustrated by the intellectual dishonesty of so many who claim to be already immortal, already saved, but will not even address these questions which are most certainly valid?

Came here for fellowship. Instead got sick to my stomach..

Faith and faithing , pistis and pisteuo , applied is " a personal surrender to Him and a life inspired by such surrender .

Starting the Salvation process , we fulfill pisteuo by only recieving the call to Christ , by the Father , answering the call . As we move forward in the process , part of the regenerated life is we are becoming less of us and more of Him . Our Faith and faithing increase ( the surrendered life ) as our relationship with Christ increases .


Christ was the first goer of Faith . We are to follow .

We must continually fulfill pisteuo , just like Jesus did in His Life .

Faith and faithing is defined as ,: an action , an act , based upon a belief , sustained by confidence . Pisteuo is a verb . We fulfill hundreds of acts of faithing or pisteuo all day that have nothing to do with God , directly anyway .

The specific act of faithing that we have in relationship to the living God , is only who to surrender our lives to , God or ourselves and the world .

Every person ever born has spent their lives faithing either towards God pisteuo, or away from God , apisteuo , there are no exceptions

Vines Expository Dictionary (noeo.net)

The main elements in "faith" in its relation to the invisible God, as distinct from "faith" in man, are especially brought out in the use of this noun and the corresponding verb, pisteuo; they are (1) a firm conviction, producing a full acknowledgement of God's revelation or truth, e.g., 2 Thess. 2:11,12; (2) a personal surrender to Him, John 1:12; (3) a conduct inspired by such surrender, 2 Cor. 5:7. Prominence is given to one or other of these elements according to the context. All this stands in contrast to belief in its purely natural exercise, which consists of an opinion held in good "faith" without necessary reference to its proof. The object of Abraham's "faith" was not God's promise (that was the occasion of its exercise); his "faith" rested on God Himself, Rom. 4:17,20,21."

Hey , I've heard this somewhere before , lol .

That is NT saving Faith in its application .

I prefer this explanation

to believe, put one's faith in, trust, with an implication that actions based on that trust may follow; (pass.) entrust

Acts 16:31
31 So they said, “Believe on the Lord Jesus Christ, and you will be saved, you and your household.”

Beleiving on Jesus is different from beleiving in Jesus.

What we prefer really isn't the point here is it ?

Mostly everyone " prefers " to simply believe in what Christ did , and that they'll recieve all His promises , never having to continually surrender their lives to Him . Thats called having your cake and eating it to .

So are you saying in terms of personal surrender is that genuine faith will be seen in action?

A faith that wants to be like Jesus?
For him to grow more and us grow less?

Jesus increases and we decrease.
Bear fruit?

ikr

which one of us is not doing a shoddy job of loving one another?

But there is a difference between believing in Jesus and believing on Jesus.

I know people who believe in Jesus who are not Christians (I prefer followers of Jesus instead of Christian) but they are not saved

But there is a difference between believing in Jesus and believing on Jesus.

I know people who believe in Jesus who are not Christians (I prefer followers of Jesus instead of Christian) but they are not saved

VCO
you are one self righteous person! when you choose to serve a pagan god and call other people or churches names when you actually dont even know what they preach.
No wonder Christ called such people hypocrites, serpents etc

Came here for fellowship. Instead got sick to my stomach..

I follow the JESUS CHRIST as MY LORD and Master, Creator of the Universe and everything that is in it, and HE FEEDS ME FROM HIS WORD.

YOU DO NOT FOLLOW HIM, you teach a False Counterfeit Jesus Christ, and follow your FALSE TEACHER. PLEASE REPENT!

1 Timothy 6:3-5 (ESV)
3 If anyone teaches a different doctrine and does not agree with the sound words of our Lord Jesus Christ and the teaching that accords with godliness,
4 he is puffed up with conceit and understands nothing. He has an unhealthy craving for controversy and for quarrels about words, which produce envy, dissension, slander, evil suspicions,
5 and constant friction among people who are depraved in mind and deprived of the truth, imagining that godliness is a means of gain.

2 Corinthians 11:4 (TLB)
4 You seem so gullible: you believe whatever anyone tells you even if he is preaching about another Jesus than the one we preach, or a different spirit than the Holy Spirit you received, or shows you a different way to be saved. You swallow it all.

Titus 3:9-11 (NASB)
9 But avoid foolish controversies and genealogies and strife and disputes about the Law, for they are unprofitable and worthless.
10 Reject a factious man after a first and second warning,
11 knowing that such a man is perverted and is sinning, being self-condemned.

Galatians 1:9 (NASB)
9 As we have said before, so I say again now, if any man is preaching to you a gospel contrary to what you received, he is to be accursed!

People usually debate on this subject about faith alone or works. right?
Non believers say the bible contradicts that way. Believers simply debate what it means or that it refers to something else.

The easiest way I know how to explain the simple answer,
is that Christians will have works, but they are only saved by faith alone.

Which means, you are saved by faith, not works. If you had faith, were saved, then had such a short time to live before you had godly works, does that mean you weren't saved? No, you were saved by faith.
But that doesn't mean we will see those who live years after salvation not pursuing the will of God. a Christian is a new creature with a new nature in the Holy Spirit. So God WILL work through them in their lives. The Holy Spirit won't just sit in them and never do anything. Their life becomes listening to the old flesh or listening to the spirit.

Salvation is by faith alone, then works come by salvation and the Holy Spirit.

Your works don't keep you saved, and neither does faith, but the Lord keeps you saved. But the Lord is not a failure. By being saved, the lord will change you and perform works in your life, and therefor since he is doing the works, not you, that is why he is glorified and you don't get the glory.

Question Bill .

At what point is the Spirit of Christ sealed into us ?