Not By Works

, Oh yes there was and is, the man denies every plain scripture there is and twists them to his heart's content. If he could admit a scripture means what it says it does that would really be refreshing but haven't seen one yet (that I can remember anyway)

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OK Billy, whatever you say. But all this still doesn't erase the fact that you preach "Jesus would say" obedience to God has no bearing in Salvation," when Jesus Himself exposes this preaching as a deception.

You forgive me for telling you the truth? And you have ignored my posts and refused to answer question since the first time we engaged. So you can go ahead and play the victim as if you are pure as the wind driven snow and I have never offered to have a discussion. But you and I both know this too, is a lie just like your statement that you won't hold "it" against me.

Of course, and I knew you would.



Nope, sorry, Scripture disagrees with you about the process of salvation. You're incorrect.

A lot of what you say here is true but you should be applying it to yourself. You are the false teacher here and denying God's Word in every way you can think of. Did you notice the definition of unbeliever contains disobedience ?- that is you! Totally disobedient to God's Word in so many ways None of God's law for you!

1Jn_2:3 And hereby we do know that we know him, if we keep his commandments.

1Jn_5:3 For this is the love of God, that we keep his commandments: and his commandments are not grievous.

Jn_2:4 He that saith, I know him, and keepeth not his commandments, is a liar, and the truth is not in him.

You cannot even know God if you don't keep His commandments

EG you keep mens traditions and in this case originating in paganism and not of God!

I don't know how you got so totally deceived but you are, usually there churches teaching this kind of stuff aren't there? If you came to this conclusion by yourself you are still wrong!

Wish you could see that but not yet I don't think !

Yup that's the wide path , Jesus does all the giving , you do all the taking .

Nope sorry to you. Perhaps you need to read scripture again. You must belong to those who believe they must continue to do works to hold onto their salvation. That will never work

Why twist words to try and prove your point? .

You do the same things star. You've twisted my words, slandered, bear false witness. It's shameful of you, really.

Lol. Wow. So you resort to slander, eh?

No, that's not it, you're just showing your ignorance of the Gospel. We are saved, we are being saved, we will be saved -- it all has to do with God, not works salvation. Salvation is 100% of God, 0% of man and not works oriented.

Nice try, but all you've done is bear false witness and slander.

Please point out where I twisted your words, bear false withness.

Call me whatever names you please. My skin is very thick. As for calling me ignorant of the Gospels, John 3:16 is a beautiful scripture exclaiming salvation is a free gift from God and that it is eternal. I have exclaimed many times under this thread that Works has nothing to do with salvation. So who is truly bearing false witness and to whom?

EG I would like to believe you are an earnest but extremely misled person but you do too much twisting, you quote scripture that proves when born of the Spirit You are spirit and then either ignore or twist them.
If these churches believe what you do then by your example they are and have pagan based doctrines, I expect there are decent people in these churches but totally in error and I want no part of them at all I wont insult them but why would I to WANT TO GO TO error and wantoN sin (BREAKING OF GOD'S lAWS)

No Thanks!

Do you believe it is your love for God you have to thank for salvation, or His love for you?



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Suzy...You are accusing my dear brother in Christ of many things , to say he is a false teacher is calling him a child of the devil , may God forgive you for your words that flow from your lips.

1 Peter 3:10 10 For, “Whoever would love life and see good days must keep their tongue from evil and their lips from deceitful speech.
Colossians 4:6 6 Let your conversation be always full of grace, seasoned with salt, so that you may know how to answer everyone.

You must deflect and try to make this about me. But the truth is we are to "live by" Every Word of God. So the Word of God is right, but religious traditions of man that transgress God's Commandments are wrong.

John 6:
44 No man can come to me, except the Father which hath sent me draw him: and I will raise him up at the last day.
45 It is written in the prophets, And they shall be all taught of God. Every man therefore that hath heard, and hath learned of the Father, cometh unto me.

And again:

Luke 16:
29 Abraham saith unto him, They have Moses and the prophets; let them hear them.
30 And he said, Nay, father Abraham: but if one went unto them from the dead, they will repent.
31 And he said unto him, If they hear not Moses and the prophets, neither will they be persuaded, though one rose from the dead.

There is most certainly a counterfeit Gospel. It teaches doctrines and traditions which "Transgress the Commandments of God.

But the Word of God which became Flesh not only warns of this religion, but also says "MANY" will seek to enter eternity through it.

By the Grace of God I have escaped, along with a few others, and am warning the brethren to "Heed", not just a few scriptures which religious man has twisted to promote their tradition soaked religion, but to Heed EVERY Word of God.

Jer. 6:16 Thus saith the LORD, Stand ye in the ways, and see, and ask for the old paths, (Which God before ordained that we should walk in them) where is the good way, and walk therein, and ye shall find rest for your souls.

But they said, We will not walk therein.

Heb. 3:
12 Take heed, brethren, lest there be in any of you an evil heart of unbelief, in departing from the living God.
13 But exhort one another daily, while it is called To day; lest any of you be hardened through the deceitfulness of sin.
14 For we are made partakers of Christ, if we hold the beginning of our confidence stedfast unto the end;
15 While it is said, To day if ye will hear his voice, harden not your hearts, as in the provocation.
16 For some, when they had heard, did provoke: howbeit not all that came out of Egypt by Moses.
17 But with whom was he grieved forty years? was it not with them that had sinned, whose carcases fell in the wilderness?
18 And to whom sware he that they should not enter into his rest, but to them that believed not?
19 So we see that they could not enter in because of unbelief.

Unbelief in Greek = apeitheia disbelief, (obstinate and rebellious) :- disobedience, unbelief. { from the Greek word apeithes} "un-persuadable" contumacious (stubbornly disobedient : rebellious)
disobedient.

I have no religion to defend TT. No religious franchise to promote or religious traditions to defend.

I am "FREE" to study God's Word to show myself approved and to submit myself to HIS Righteousness not the religious doctrines and traditions of the land. What if the religious masses reject much of His Word like is Caleb's time, or even Jesus' time?

Well, that is the test isn't it.

Of course it is God's love! He calls us and we respond and grow . Or we don't respond and fall away!

Again your words are so offensive E-g is a dear Child of God. You should absolutely consider a sincere apology to
E-g, honestly because your words are so so shameful.