Calvinist Kitchen...stirring the pot

Paul, In eph 1: 13 - 14 told them HOW they got to that state.

No place in those 2 verses did he say they were regenerated, THEN heard the word. THEN trusted the word, THEN were saved and sealed.

Your adding to the word.

Here is our difference; You do not interpret 1 Cor 2:14 correctly. The natural man cannot discern the spiritual scriptures enough to "believe". Verse 13 - In whom you also trusted (the natural man does not trust in spiritual things, they are foolishness to him), in whom also, after ye believed ( the natural man cannot believe in things that he cannot discern ). Neither the elect or the natural man cannot believe spiritual things until after they have been regenerated (Eph 2:5). The fact that they believed is evidence that they have been regenerated.

Here is our difference; You do not interpret 1 Cor 2:14 correctly. The natural man cannot discern the spiritual scriptures enough to "believe". Verse 13 - In whom you also trusted (the natural man does not trust in spiritual things, they are foolishness to him), in whom also, after ye believed ( the natural man cannot believe in things that he cannot discern ). Neither the elect or the natural man cannot believe spiritual things until after they have been regenerated (Eph 2:5). The fact that they believed is evidence that they have been regenerated.

I should have known. You people come in here like you know the world. You attack, slander and insult, then try to say we all need to work in harmony and should act like good christiam people.

If you do not have anythign good to say, My suggestion to you is do not say anything at all. I have 2 calvinist brothers I talk to all the time. And they are the only two I have met in CC I even have any respect for. Becausewhen they share their belief, they do not attack, or judge, or belittle, or slander others.. Then try to yell at everyone else saying they have the problem.

It has nothign to do with being smart enough. God will make sure people know the gospel. He has to. If they cannot understand it, THEY CANlT COME TO FAITH, if they have NO CAPABILITY TO COME TO FAITH, God can not judge them for unbelief, Because he never gave them a way to understand.

Maybe your God acts that way (which is why it sickens me) but the god of the universe is a fair god. When eternity is come and past. No one will question his love ever again..

By what God saw in Ps 53:2-3, he saw that the only way that he could make sure people know the gospel was to put the Holy Spirit within them through regeneration (Eph 2:5).

You should rewrite the bible then to fit your theology. Ephesians should read, you were first sealed with the holy spirit before you heard the word of truth, the gospel of your salvation, then after you heard the word, you believed the the word...

It's just not there. Rewrite the word if you want, I'm leaving it alone.

I chose to follow what jesus said, not what you think.

I don't know what version of the bible you study from, but the KJV says in Eph 1:13, you are sealed with the Holy Spirit (which is the earnest of our inheritance, nor our inheritance) AFTER ye heard the gospel. Maybe you should compare your version with the KJV.

AFTER ye heard the gospel

I am a KJV only believer

Uh, yea . . . Folks have to hear the Gospel first. It is the Gospel which works on them, convicts them, and brings them to Christ. And then they are sealed. I have no problem with accepting that God foreknew who would receive Christ and who would not - but I don't buy that He 'sealed' the deal way in advance and denied all the rest an opportunity to receive Christ. But you are fully persuaded in your own mind. I'm just going to do my best to see that others don't buy into your erroneous persuasions.

See. Your stuck on two verses.
All while ignoring what Jesus said in John 6.

You say YOU know Gods will

Jesus told us what GODS WILL WAS

I chose to follow what jesus said, not what you think.

You might also consider to include all scripture and not ignore some. John 6 says in verse 37; All that the Father giveth me SHALL (not CAN) come to me. I hope you choose to follow what Jesus says.

Dude, Your really getting anoying with your one or 2 verses you continue to use which you THINK proves your right

There is nothing wrong with those verses. They are correct. We can not understand things about God until we are born again.

Which is the REASON why the HS was sent to help us understand.

A man who is dead because of sin CAN NOT be born again UNTIL that sin is removed. 1 cor 2: 14 does not counter that argument, that argument is fact. No matter how you wish it not to be.

Want proof?

Peter. John 6. When jesus asked them if they wanted to go too. “Where are we to go. YOU HAVE THE WORDS OF ETERNAL LIFE.

Peter did not yet understand the truth. Or what was happening, BUT HE TRUSTED GOD, and his faith KEPT HIM GOING

The people who left? They left because they DID NOT TRUST JESUS.

See the difference? Or are you going to stick with trying to use 2 passages out of literally thousands of passages to make a doctrine?

Are you going to trust God. Or the men who have told you this stuff you are following?

You might also consider to include all scripture and not ignore some. John 6 says in verse 37; All that the Father giveth me SHALL (not CAN) come to me. I hope you choose to follow what Jesus says.

The sins were removed for those that Christ died for, which are those that the Father gave him, on the cross. The old testament saints, as well as the apostles, were regenerated and given the indwelling of the Holy Spirit, which gave them the ABILITY to discern spiritual things, which they did not understand fully until after Jesus ascended and sent the Holy Ghost which REVEALS what Jesus had taught them. The examples you have given were regenerated men, not the natural man that has not been regenerated. You really should include ALL scriptures when trying to glean the truth. All scriptures harmonize if you are interpreting them right.

I do follow it.

Yes, And who did the father give him?

"And this is the will of him that sent me, that every one which seeth the Son, and believeth on him, may have everlasting life: and I will raise him up at the last day" (John 6:40).

Why lookie here . . . personal responsibility to believe. Did Calvinists miss one? I know they really don't like context.

And it says may NOT shall . . .

Yea, the guy that said a couple of posts up . . . "You might also consider to include all scripture and not ignore some." likes verse 37 but he doesn't like verse 40 . . . so he don't consider that one.