Calvinism vs. Arminianism?

Augustine was a 5 pointer

read his City of God

Uhm. Okay.

Well, I hope you get past that pride and can admit that indeed, in this you are wrong.

Its quite easy to prove. Im not a calvinist and I still corrected you on that, why? Because I wouldnt want to misrepresent pelagians nor calvinists intentionally.

Augustine was the forefather of calvinism YES. You know who his enemy was? Pelagius.. Soo you saying Pelagians are hardcore calvinists doesnt add up. You see?

If Christ died for all that all are saved, there is not one verse in scripture that says you must accept the gift to be saved.
The only MUST in salvation is you must be born again, and THAT comes from God not of ourselves

It's you, you're completely incorrect on Pelagianism. The fact that you're completely the opposite of that teachings real beliefs says a lot.

Except that their version is 'Jesus died for the elect, therefore all the elect are saved.'

same old stuff....no answer so attack the messenger

Yes. Pelagianism is so far out, its hardly synergistic lol. Its do-it-yourself salvation. Pelagius was saying you can keep the Torah and be saved that way.

no trick, the blood of Christ is always effective where applied
God does not love everybody, otherwise He owes a big apology to Esau, whom God hated in the womb before he could do any rigth or wrong Micah chapter 1

.....Pelagianism has nothing to do with Arminianism, it is 5 point calvinism that rejects anyone who does not agree with their eschatology

God loved Jacob so much as a member of the covenant that His love for Esau seemed like hate. Different degrees of love.

My love for my late wife far exceeded any love I might have felt for any other woman. In comparison I hated the other women.

By isolating certain verses that say Christ died for ALL one can come up with this type of conclusion without comparing to what the whole Bible has to say. I’ll give you one example and that is found in 1Cor. 15:22.

I’m sorry if you do not understand how salvation works but the Bible is crystal clear, crystal clear it is not of our doings or works no matter how insisnificant. There is no free will nor is the idea of accepting Christ or placing your faith in Christ. All of these idea are foreign and not found in the Bible, that is to say they all are unbiblical.

When Christ was on the cross and he cried it is finished was he alive or dead when he said these words ? You have no Biblical evedience saying that Christ died spiritually, we know he died physically but spiritually no.

2 Cor 5:20 Now then we are ambassadors for Christ, as though God did beseech you by us: we pray you in Christ's stead, be ye reconciled to God.

I would like to flip the question and ask you: Does the Bible say anywhere that when Jesus dies for someone, they are automatically saved? Thats not how atonement worked in the OT.

Question for all calvinists:

God gives faith, and repentance, yes? OK! Why doesn't God give all the elect PROPER DOCTRINE? Because most calvinists I know say that pentecostals and methodists etc etc can also be elect/saved. So why wont God give them right doctrine?
Serious question!

I'm extremely sorry that you are preaching another Gospel.

1. Why do you contradict the Bible instead of believing it?

For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life. For God sent not his Son into the world to condemn the world; but that the world through him might be saved. (John 3:16, 17)

Calvinists have no problem contradicting the Word of God when it suits them. And that is a shame.

2. Now why did God hate Esau? Short answer: Because Esau hated God FIRST. We know from the history of Esau and Edom (his nation) that they hated God and hated God's people Israel. God foreknew how Esau would develop and become a profane (godless or ungodly) person, and He also saw how Jacob -- in spite of himself - would become a man of faith, and therefore "Israel" (a prince with God and men).

HEBREWS 12
15 Looking diligently lest any man fail of the grace of God; lest any root of bitterness springing up trouble you, and thereby many be defiled;
16 Lest there be any fornicator, or profane* person, as Esau, who for one morsel of meat sold his birthright.
17 For ye know how that afterward, when he would have inherited the blessing, he was rejected: for he found no place of repentance, though he sought it carefully with tears.

*Strong's Concordance (952)
bebélos: permitted to be trodden, by impl. unhallowed
Original Word: βέβηλος, ον
Part of Speech: Adjective
Transliteration: bebélos
Phonetic Spelling: (beb'-ay-los)
Definition: permitted to be trodden, by implication unhallowed
Usage: permitted to be trodden, accessible.

Thayer's Greek Lexicon
STRONGS NT 952: βέβηλος
...of men, profane i. e. ungodly: 1 Timothy 1:9; Hebrews 12:16. (Often in Greek writings from Aeschylus down.) (Cf.Trench, § 101.)

I am personally my own best argument against the Calvinist lie. I totally and completely with sound mind and all my mental faculties in order renounce the capricious god of Calvinism that elects people to reprobation and yet I myself know that I am saved. Knowing that, I absolutely acknowledge that the god of Calvinism would not elect someone like me that can't wait to see him thrown into the lake of fire along with the false prophet and the Antichrist.

There, is that strong enough for you Calvinists?

(Not addressed to Hevosmies) They know who they are!

As a Calvinist I totally disagree with you. I don't understand where you got that fabrication from. But it is totally false.

We believe the crucifixion, burial, and resurrection 3 nights and days later. On the cross the Bible says he gave up the ghost aka died.

Yes, he does.

Why doesn't God give all the elect PROPER DOCTRINE?

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The most important doctrines are getting the Gospel right, God right, man's condition right.

Most have a problem in one of these areas either making them preach a truncated gospel, which makes it false, or they add to it their goodness as to why they were chosen or as to why they chose God, so the Gospel becomes false by addition or subtraction.

Then there is heresy about God, Christ of course included there, and the condition of man. All of these defects effect the purity of the Gospel.

There are other doctrines that aren't as high priority, but the basics above are necessary to be correct on.

Do you really believe this?