Eternal Security/OSAS is Bad Doctrine

I'm new here. I have never been here before. You have been treating me like crap ever since I arrived. What is wrong with you?

And yes, you lied to me. Your behavior is indeed unchristian.

Where is the love chapter located? Between I Corinthians chapters twelve and fourteen. Does that make sense? (nope)
Same thing happening here. The faith chapter is in Hebrews eleven. What does that have to do with the law?

Where is the love chapter located? Between I Corinthians chapters twelve and fourteen. Does that make sense? (nope)
Same thing happening here. The faith chapter is in Hebrews eleven. What does that have to do with the law?

It's not you, it's him.
He seems to treat everybody like that.
It's unfortunate because Jesus said we're to love one another.

Challenging your responses is not treating you "poorly."

Show me where I lied to you. Calling you out for being here before isn't unChristian. You really have a hard time with not adding to what people have said, and/or assuming things on them. '

Now show me where I lied to you.

Actually 1 Co 13 does make a lot of sense being where it is. You see chapter 12 is about the gifts, but then he says... but I show you a better way... chapter 13 (love)... and 1 Co 14 is about desiring prophesy over tongues... because it helps others (love)....

We can see his argument flow like this:

Gifts are good (12)... in love (13).... here's what gifts in love looks like (14)...

Don't blame me for your unchristian behavior. I have a confirmation from a regular here.

wow man, you really think Paul randomly & nonsensically launches into a totally unrelated handful of paragraphs about love for no reason whatsoever in the middle of that letter?
that explains why you keep talking about ch. 11 in reply to whether ch.6 has a context or not.

Yep..he does disagree with your view and aligns perfectly with my view.......

Therefore we conclude that a man is justified by FAITH without the deeds/works of the law.

Let's get to the point, you accused me of lying. Prove your accusation.

I would agree that it does not say/mean that. What does it mean then?

Thanks. It seems they think I am a previous poster returning under a new username. As they snicker behind my back and then falsely claim it is indeed Christian behavior. Thanks for confirming my suspicions.

Alright so we both agree it's not the literal interpretation. So in this case we have to seek God, context, and prayerful study to understand these harder passages. So I'll share my thoughts with you.

Okay notice what the author is focusing on in this passage...all these good life producing things... you've experienced the heavenly gift, you heard the word, you participated in all of these things... but you still don't have fruit? This type of person can not be lead to repentance, basically the idea is, they can't repent because they have experienced everything and it had no effect on them.

The overarching theme of Hebrews is not going back under the old sacrificial system and relying on Christ alone (even in the midst of persecutions).

Let's look at the next few verses to see this.

7For ground that drinks the rain which often falls on it and brings forth vegetation useful to those for whose sake it is also tilled, receives a blessing from God; 8but if it yields thorns and thistles, it is worthless and close to being cursed, and it ends up being burned.

Here's the author is contrasting different types of ground, one is useful and one is worthless.

Please notice that it didn't yield useful vegetation at one point, but that the focus is on it's worthless ground. Nothing can come out of it. So I don't believe this is a believer who falls away. We see this even more clearly in the next verse.

9But, beloved, we are convinced of better things concerning you, and things that accompany salvation, though we are speaking in this way.

The author says, look I know I'm sounding harsh here, but I'm not saying this about YOU. I believe you are saved. And because you are saved the things that accompany salvation will be seen from you. And in fact have been seen from you in the past. You'll see he goes on to point those out in the next few verses.

His letter is to remind them they are saved. They are not worthless ground. And to continue to hold fast in what they believed. In my opinion, if they don't hold fast, well they never truly believed. His focus is to stay under the redemptive work of Christ and not fall under any other - especially after everything they've experienced and done so far.

I wouldn't worry about it too much.

If you don't know the answer just say so. There is nothing wrong with that. Okay?

My point is that not everything in the book of Hebrews is about the law.

You have a real hard time controlling your tongue, don't you, FranC? James 1:26. And full of slander as well. Wonder what such behavior means?

As for your quotes, those have to do with not persevering in the faith and showing ones self to not be truly converted. But cut and paste away, FranC.

Why? Are you claiming you didn't lie?

Interesting reply. Just because I am honest enough to admit that this is a harder passage to understand, I'm not sure why you chose to answer this way. If you want someone to tell you exactly what this passage means good luck. I believe in intellectual honesty and this is one of the harder passages in the Bible to understand. I don't think I'll be responding to you anymore because I don't feel like you valued my contribution to you. Take care.