So Just What Does it Mean to be Masculine or Feminine These Days, Anyway?

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theanointedsinner

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  • Ephesians 5:22-24 ...wives should submit to their husbands etc.
  • 1 Timothy 2:11-15 A woman should learn in quietness and full submission. I do not permit a woman to teach or to have authority over a man; she must be silent etc.
  • 1 Corinthians 14:33-35 ...women should remain silent in the churches (and following).
  • 1 Corinthians 11:3-16 Now I want you to realize that the head of every man is Christ, and the head of the woman is man (and following).
  • Colossians 3:18 Wives, submit to your husbands, as is fitting in the Lord.
  • Peter 3:1-6 Wives in the same way be submissive to your husbands (and following).
  • Titus 2: 4-5 Then they can the younger women to love their husbands and children, to be self controlled and pure, to be busy at home, to be kind, and to be subject to their husbands so that no one will malign the word of God.
Oh and this one is just lovely:

"God smites women, children and often animals with equal gusto, he seems to equal evil and wrong doing by association, rather than by being guilty of the personal, individual act: "Behold with a great plague will the LORD smite thy people and thy children, and thy wives, and all thy goods: And thou shalt have great sickness by disease of thy bowels, until thy bowels fall out by reason of the sickness day by day." (II Chronicles 21:14-15)
let's take a look at what we think submit means,

if your husband is reasonable, and you submit to your husband, wouldn't that submission be reasonable, which demonstrates that reasonable submission is possible?
 
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Skyela

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Yes, you hate people and are filled with hateful remarks which come out of your darkened heart. The reason you are here is to mock, ridicule, malign, and show your hate for God.



And I believe you! ;)



Thank you, I thought you wouldn't notice!



Well, I think you'd feel comfortable around those of your own ilk, accept for the fact most of them are going to experience eternal bliss, and you will suffer in a torment beyond your imagination for eternity.



I did exactly what Jesus would have me to do. You need to think hard and long about that.

I haven't been hateful. I think you should re-read what you've posted here. VERY un-Jesus like. You're a MEAN person. And yes, it's because of people like you that Christianity has a bad name.
 
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theanointedsinner

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Miss @Skyela have you read any of my post trying to explain Psalms 137:9 and similar verses for you?

or, am I being put on ignore?
 
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Skyela

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Miss @Skyela have you read any of my post trying to explain Psalms 137:9 and similar verses for you?

or, am I being put on ignore?
Sorry, it's hard to concentrate on the KIND people here and their posts, when so many people are coming at me with mean things to say.
 
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Jennie-Mae

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I haven't been hateful. I think you should re-read what you've posted here. VERY un-Jesus like. You're a MEAN person. And yes, it's because of people like you that Christianity has a bad name.
Regardless of the subject here, don’t pay no attention to him. He’s been like that to me as well. I told him to be ashamed of himself.
 

Dino246

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Also, curious - do you speak out of turn in church?

"The women should keep silent in the churches. For they are not permitted to speak, but should be in submission, as the Law also says. If there is anything they desire to learn, let them ask their husbands at home. For it is shameful for a woman to speak in church" Corinthians 14:34:-35

Or this one, promoting the murder of children who "misbehave"

“Whoever causes one of these little ones who believe in me to sin, it would be better for him if a great millstone were hung around his neck and he were thrown into the sea. Mark 9:42

Pretty outdated for our times, eh? So is the church's views on LGBTQ people.
I don't know if anyone has responded on these two yet...

To the first, my understanding is that Paul was quoting someone else. That statement is simply inconsistent with the rest of his teachings on gender, and there are hints to suggest that it is a quote.

To the second, you might want to read that carefully again. It isn't talking about murdering a child at all, but rather warning the (adult) one who misleads a child of the severe consequences of doing so.
 
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Skyela

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I don't know if anyone has responded on these two yet...

To the first, my understanding is that Paul was quoting someone else. That statement is simply inconsistent with the rest of his teachings on gender, and there are hints to suggest that it is a quote.

To the second, you might want to read that carefully again. It isn't talking about murdering a child at all, but rather warning the (adult) one who misleads a child of the severe consequences of doing so.
Yes, I re-read it and saw that after. But still, I wonder if the punishment of death fits the crime? And what if it was another child who led another child astray?
 

Dino246

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Oh, gotta love this one too.

"Blessed shall he be who takes your little ones and dashes them against the rock!" - Psalm 137:9

hahaha. If someone tried to do that to one of my children, they'd be meeting their maker pretty darn quickly.
Consider the context! That's the first rule for properly understanding any part of the Bible. That psalm was written by someone who was taken forcibly from their home, probably saw their neighbours murdered, and was dragged off to a foreign country with essentially no hope of returning. Their entire way of life was destroyed. Their family members may have perished... horribly. Your closing comment should actually inform you of how the writer probably felt at the time.

Second, the Bible contains the full expression of human emotion, even to the point of wishing horrible death on one's enemies. We don't stay there though, and as Christians, we don't advocate such action at all.

If you think Christians take the entire Bible as an instruction book for today, you are simply wrong. Those who knew God, even under the "Old Testament law" said that He is "slow to anger and abounding in love".
 
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Skyela

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Consider the context! That's the first rule for properly understanding any part of the Bible. That psalm was written by someone who was taken forcibly from their home, probably saw their neighbours murdered, and was dragged off to a foreign country with essentially no hope of returning. Their entire way of life was destroyed. Their family members may have perished... horribly. Your closing comment should actually inform you of how the writer probably felt at the time.

Second, the Bible contains the full expression of human emotion, even to the point of wishing horrible death on one's enemies. We don't stay there though, and as Christians, we don't advocate such action at all.

If you think Christians take the entire Bible as an instruction book for today, you are simply wrong. Those who knew God, even under the "Old Testament law" said that He is "slow to anger and abounding in love".
The verse actually says that whoever takes a child and bashes the child against a rock, will be blessed. That is literally what it says.
 

Lynx

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I WANT OUR THREAD BACK!

We had a nice little thread here once. It was a thread about what being masculine or feminine means to you. It did not have anything to do with homosexuality or male dominance or domestic violence or anything even remotely connected to Christianity or the Bible. In fact the topic of this thread didn't have anything to do with ANY of the arguments here.

But then people came and noticed they could twist the topic into something they could argue about. And since some people really enjoy a good argument, filled with insults and disparagement and misquoting and taking statements out of context, they promptly blew up this thread with all their arguments that had nothing to do with the topic of this thread.

So you have had your arguments and we have a nice helping of high blood pressure all around. Can we call it a day now? Please, can we have our nice thread back?
 
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Skyela

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Was this ever a "nice" thread to start with? I can go back to the beginning and point out several places where people were talking about how "un-feminine" and "un-masculine" people are, and how somehow they aren't seen as the same as everyone else, because they don't act or talk as their supposed to. Correct me if I'm wrong, but that's what I read.
 

Dino246

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Yes, I re-read it and saw that after. But still, I wonder if the punishment of death fits the crime? And what if it was another child who led another child astray?
He's talking about adults who lead children astray. The Bible doesn't give a clear answer to your question, but God is just, and likely isn't going to condemn a child for wrongdoing in the same way He would an adult.

The Bible states that the punishment for sin is death (in the letter to the Romans, chapter 6, verse 23). It doesn't specify less punishment for lesser sins, or greater punishment for greater ones. However, right after it says that, it says, "but the gift of God is eternal life in Christ Jesus our Lord."

Each and every one of us have done things that God calls "sin". None of us is righteous before God; all of us are guilty, and all of us deserve death. That is why we need Jesus.
 

Dino246

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Skyela, shall we respect Lynx's request and take this discussion to its own thread?
 

Lynx

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Was this ever a "nice" thread to start with? I can go back to the beginning and point out several places where people were talking about how "un-feminine" and "un-masculine" people are, and how somehow they aren't seen as the same as everyone else, because they don't act or talk as their supposed to. Correct me if I'm wrong, but that's what I read.
You read what you wanted to read. "Oh goody, I can make an argument out of this!"

Why are you here Skyela? You have blatant contempt for Christianity and what Christians believe, as you have expressed many times in many ways in this thread alone. So why did you come here to a Christian forum where people you know you disagree with will be? Why did you seek out threads talking about the things you disagree about?

Are you SEEKING arguments? Is this what you do for fun or something, go around looking for people who disagree with you so you can have a good argument? Is this what you do for recreation?
 
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Skyela

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Well, oddly enough, it was Lynx who said:

"All I know is it seems to be really important to God that people be able to tell at a glance whether you are a guy or girl. The Bible talks a lot about what pertains to a man or woman, and effeminate men are not regarded highly. (Though the Bible never says anything about butch women... guess that wasn't a problem back then.) But yeah, God seems to care a lot that you look and act like what you are"

So yes, homosexuality is going to be a topic that comes up after a comment like this, naturally. And that was the progression of things, because of comments like these. The God that I have a personal relationship with, doesn't care what I look like, doesn't care if I'm "butch" as he so nicely put it. Some women just aren't built to be tiny and petite, but I guess if we're "butch", we're somehow inferior in God's eyes.
 
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Skyela

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I have nothing against any of you. Never did. I wish you all only good things. Bye :)
 

Lynx

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I have nothing against any of you. Never did. I wish you all only good things. Bye :)
Bull. YOU started the arguments. And perpetuated them, on and on and on.
 
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Skyela

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Bull. YOU started the arguments. And perpetuated them, on and on and on.
And your reply is perpetuating it even further, when clearly I said I was done. Again, I wish no harm to anyone, I'm not like that. I'm a good person, actually. As I'm sure y'all are too. Have a good evening.
 
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theanointedsinner

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is this thread, feminine or masculine? if "neutral", then "neutral" does exist
and neutral is possible without any connotation of feminine or masculine