Not By Works

Wow.
A real Pharisee in our midst.
A legalistic supreme.
Lord have mercy.

i have been asking you sincere questions and you have been pretending they are sarcastic.

did you find an x that simultaneously satisfies:
x = 0
x > 0
?

of course you didn't. there is no solution.

this is what you have said: we must be obedient. we are not perfect and will not be.

let x = sin ((or disobedience if you prefer))

we must obey translates to
x = 0
there must not be disobedience.

we are not perfect translates to
x > 0
we are disobedient.

there is no solution in your paradigm.

here is the solution:

Colossians 3:3
For ye are dead, and your life is hid with Christ in God.

this is the gospel, Fran. the real one.
the sting of sin is death and the power of sin is the law. Christ has died for us, and by believing Him, we died with Him, to be raised with Him as He has risen. the law has no authority over a dead man. sin has become powerless and death has been swallowed up in victory. sin has no more mastery over us because it has no more power and no more sting, and this is not by works nor by human will, desire or exertion. it is by the grace of the merciful and wise God who became flesh and gave Himself as a propitiation.

the impossible situation you say is the gospel is certain death. it has been overcome by the cross, thank God!

the language does not say what you just said, the language says the Law means all of the Law,

do you recognize the greek language as accurate or not?

If you believe God does not demand obedience that is your prerogative.
Have you read John 14 and 15?
That's all it talks about.

if you reject the gospel that's on you. all i can do is keep telling you. despite the slander, despite the false witness, despite the malicious misrepresentation, i will keep proclaiming it.

I know a professor of Greek, koine and Hebrew. I ask him when I have a question.
So far only twice. Once for the aorist tense and once for the word humble in Mathew 18:4

I feel the Bible has been translated well enough that we should not even need lexicons.
I know that no language could be translated perfectly for different reasons.

If you think the law means all of the law then this should be clarified before discussing.
When I hear the law, I think the 10 commandments.

Good for you.

I see.

so, you do not care what the language that the N.T was written in says, you are just going to go with your opinion of what the English word means.

o.k. whatever. i'll stick with the actual definition of the word law.

and when I think, I think what Paul said- not under it. and, not to mention, gentiles never were.

oh, by the way, you judeaizers need to come up with a new formula. this one is getting old and predictable.

you guys all do the same thing, show up, seem to just want to have friendly conversation. then you start saying " we should obey God , right" . then you say " obeying God means obeying the Law " . then you end up at keeping the Sabbath for salvation.

now, you have not got to the Sabbath yet, sorry I jumped ahead, but, now you can just go ahead and go there, and push that lie along with the rest.

Hi Mailmandan, this post is the best presentation of what happens to a believer when we are "born again." that I have ever heard, this side of heaven. All of the elements of a "True Born Again Believer" are spelled out simply, clearly and understandable. Two very key elements to the growth and understanding of God's will for my life were; "Our Position in Christ", and "Our Practice in Christ."

"Our Position in Christ", the imputed righteousness of Christ I am "Justified and Sanctified" before a holy and just God. When God looks at me He see's His Son Jesus Christ, "by faith" all of my sins are washed away and I have been sanctified, (set apart) made holy, "without which no one will see the Lord." Hebrews12:14, the debt of sin has been paid in full, "it is finished", praise God.

"Our Practice in Christ", namely this is our daily walk with Jesus; Quote Mailmandan; "evident in our actions, words, thoughts, attitudes, and motives." As Dan say's, "it is on going" sanctification which is the process of our growth and becoming mature in Christ. Progressive sanctification is separate from a Christians one time "Justification by faith", whereby we are justified by the death, burial and resurrection of our savior Jesus Christ.

The Gospel, the Good News which is God reconciling sinful human beings to Himself through the death, burial and resurrection of His dear Son Jesus Christ is freely offered to all;

Acts16:30,31
30) He then brought them out and asked, “Sirs, what must I do to be saved?”
31) They replied, “Believe in the Lord Jesus, and you will be saved—you and your household.”

Again God bless and thank you Mailmandan, "True Gospel"....

Hey MMD, Sorry I won't be answering that post of yours.
I'm outta here.
You and @BillG are the only ones I could speak to here.
I wish @Studyman the best but I doubt it.
Anyway, I'll be seeing you around.
GG

Welcome back Fran--->frangiuliano@teletu.it ....try not to lose your mind this time and get banned.....and I will again say....FAITH blended with anything to gain, keep, embellish or top off salvation = a false gospel with no power to save.........why are you removed from the simplicity that is found in Christ unto a foolish, bewitched way that has no power??

Hey everybody,
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Wow.
A real Pharisee in our midst.
A legalistic supreme.
Lord have mercy.

To my posting of this VERSE in POST, #75,039:

1 Peter 2:13-16 (NKJV)
13 Therefore submit yourselves to every ordinance of man for the Lord's sake, whether to the king as supreme,
14 or to governors, as to those who are sent by him for the punishment of evildoers and for the praise of those who do good.
15 For this is the will of God, that by doing good you may put to silence the ignorance of foolish men--
16 as free, yet not using liberty as a cloak for vice, but as bondservants of God.


He does not want to admit these Violations of State and City ORDINANCES are SIN. Maybe he thinks he is Sinless, therefore these OBVIOUS SINS, he will not CONFESS. And he called me a PHARISEE, when he does not even want to CONFESS these obvious Sins.

This right here. Think about it, you who have biblical discernment. It is nothing more and nothing less than the carnality, immaturity and division that Paul rebuked at Corinth in his first few chapters of 1 Corinthians. That is how subtle such division and carnality is, which causes much trouble in churches today. Come on Fran, grow up from that rudimentary status!

I understand the Mainstream interpretation of this scripture. What I question is your understanding of the term "Made Holy". If I am laden with sins, I am not Holy. I can't be Holy. For the Christ to "make me Holy" He must first remove those sins. That is what atonement is all about. Once I have my past sins removed, I am "FREE" to SERVE GOD. The Bible does not teach that the Christ "Serves God" for me. That is man's religion, not God's.

Heb. 12:
13 And make straight paths for your feet, lest that which is lame be turned out of the way; but let it rather be healed.
14 Follow peace with all men, and holiness, without which no man shall see the Lord:

28 Wherefore we receiving a kingdom which cannot be moved, let us have grace, whereby we may serve God acceptably with reverence and godly fear:
29 For our God is a consuming fire.

So if a man has been convinced that he is already immortal, and that the Christ is serving God for us, then these scriptures have no meaning. And if we follow religious man's definition of "Holy", while rejecting God's definition of Holy, are we serving God, or man?




So yes, Once your sins are forgiven we can now SERVE God by "ABSTAINING" from certain activities. Not activities created by some religious franchises or Mainstream religions, like forbidding to take a walk, or helping a brother on God's Holy Sabbath. But "ABSTAINING" from "actions, words, thoughts, attitudes and motives" which are "unholy" and "unrighteous" according to the Word of God which became Flesh.

What if you have been convinced that Sexual immortality is not a sin? What if your religion teaches that God doesn't care about your sexual preferences, that this definition of unrighteousness is no longer valid? Can you continue to practice this "iniquity"?

And who determines your definition of "practical, progressive Holiness"? How is Holiness "Progressive"? Is this the belief that Sexual immorality "used to be unholy" but now is? What about a different sin, stealing for instance. Shall a person "Abstain" from stealing? From hating your brother? From defiling God's Holy Sabbaths?

Heb. 12:
28 Wherefore we receiving a kingdom which cannot be moved, let us have grace, whereby we may serve God acceptably with reverence and godly fear:
29 For our God is a consuming fire.

So how does one serve God? By following ancient religious traditions of some religious franchise? Am I to just "omit" Word's of God because the Pope, or some other preach declares a more "Progressive" Holiness?

I know you "believe" in your religion Dan. Really, I have been there, right where you are. And I appreciate your willingness to have an honest discussion. But my questions are valid, and the Warnings of the Bible are real. Where do you come up with "Progressive Holiness" and "positional standing" in righteousness. The Bible as a whole doesn't support either IMO.

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What about the deceived, the religious folks who "Believe" they are sanctified but are not? Have they fallen short of the Grace of God? And what if someone shows them the truth, but they choose their religion over it? When will they know the end of their choice? In "that day" yes? How can they be persuaded of their deception? Will the Word's of Christ convince them?

Luke 16:30 And he said, Nay, father Abraham: but if one went unto them from the dead, they will repent.
31 And he said unto him, If they hear not Moses and the prophets, neither will they be persuaded, though one rose from the dead.

Who are these folks Dan? Are they not those who claim to know the God of Abraham?

This scripture agrees with every other scripture in the Bible, Old and New Testament. And no one is saying the Christ doesn't help those who He knows. But God's Word is the authority in my view. As it is written;

2 Tim. 2:15 Study to shew thyself approved unto God, a workman that needeth not to be ashamed, rightly dividing the word of truth.
16 But shun profane and vain babblings: for they will increase unto more ungodliness.
17 And their word will eat as doth a canker: of whom is Hymenaeus and Philetus;
18 Who concerning the truth have erred, saying that the resurrection is past already (we are already saved, already immortal) and overthrow the faith of some.
19 Nevertheless the foundation of God standeth sure, having this seal, The Lord knoweth them that are his. And, Let every one that nameth the name of Christ depart from iniquity. (Lawlessness)


Ex. 20: 3 Thou shalt have no other gods before me.
4 Thou shalt not make unto thee any graven image, or any likeness of any thing that is in heaven above, or that is in the earth beneath, or that is in the water under the earth:
5 Thou shalt not bow down thyself to them, nor serve them: for I the LORD thy God am a jealous God, visiting the iniquity of the fathers upon the children unto the third and fourth generation of them that hate me;


8 Remember the sabbath day, to keep it holy.
9 Six days shalt thou labour, and do all thy work:
10 But the seventh day is the sabbath of the LORD thy God: in it thou shalt not do any work, thou, nor thy son, nor thy daughter, thy manservant, nor thy maidservant, nor thy cattle, nor thy stranger that is within thy gates:
11 For in six days the LORD made heaven and earth, the sea, and all that in them is, and rested the seventh day: wherefore the LORD blessed the sabbath day, and hallowed it.

Can people please expand their thoughts on the following

1 Corinthians 3:9-15
9 For we are God’s fellow workers; you are God’s field, you are God’s building. 10 According to the grace of God which was given to me, as a wise master builder I have laid the foundation, and another builds on it. But let each one take heed how he builds on it. 11 For no other foundation can anyone lay than that which is laid, which is Jesus Christ. 12 Now if anyone builds on this foundation with gold, silver, precious stones, wood, hay, straw, 13 each one’s work will become clear; for the Day will declare it, because it will be revealed by fire; and the fire will test each one’s work, of what sort it is. 14 If anyone’s work which he has built on it endures, he will receive a reward. 15 If anyone’s work is burned, he will suffer loss; but he himself will be saved, yet so as through fire.

So does it apply to works or to what we teach?
Every post on here containing verses and an explanation is teaching.

So what is it?

If we teach crap yet as a result we are saved does it seem fair that those who walk the Christian life in that way would not be saved.

Wow this just boggles the mind. How vain can any one man be, you have never been where "Mailmandan has been", ever. How ungrateful and blind can you be when Mailmandan has presented the "True Gospel", and you discard it like an old pair of tennis shoes. Shame on you and whatever God has in store for you because of leading people astray with your "Junk theology", I pity you on judgement day.

The blood of Jesus saves us but our works must follow into eternal life. So, a saved person WILL have works Jesus said. Otherwise, they're not saved. Paul reminds us to always be ready for every good work.

So what you are saying is that the blood of Jesus saves us but it is our works that will give us eternal life?

Have I misunderstood you?