A BIBLICAL EXAMINATION OF CALVINISM

I want you to quit looking silly . . . should have been more specific.

Nope. I'm calling you out on your hate and your own words. You need to man up and apologize.

Okay, I'm sorry that you are a Calvinist.

To all the calvinists replying trying to "chastise" BaptistBibleBeliever you are being inconsistent in your beliefs!
If you believe he is teaching heresy by rejecting calvinism he cant help it. He was predestinated/foreordained to do so.

We were predestinated to not be calvinists.

KEWL! I didn't even think about that. It wasn't the devil that made me do it, it was God!

Like the old Calvinist said when he slipped on the ice, "Sure glad that's over!"

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Could some calvinist respond to me on this question: Why does the devil even exist? If God already predestinated all the horrible things that occur in this world, what difference does the devil make?
He roams around seeking whom he may devour, but how exactly is that true if God already predestinated that all these wicked things happen.
Sincere question that requires an answer!

You say we should reason together with the Lord. I agree. I think we can reason with each other as well.

Things I feel pretty safe in saying we agree on.

1. The Lord formed us in the womb.

2. The Lord knows the end from the beginning.

Ok. So if statement 1 & statement 2 are true, then not ONLY does the Lord KNOW who is going to choose Him and who is not, but He knows this WHILE HE IS KNITTING US IN THE WOMB!

What does that tell you? And is any of the above statements incorrect?

More ignorance, arrogance and hate on display.

What you are describing is the foreknowledge of God. He knew before He did anything else how many would choose Him and how many would reject Him. I heartily agree with you on that.

This view precludes any notion that God actually picked who would choose Him, and thus . . . I believe, is the biblical view. Knowing something is world's different from causing something to happen.

God knows beforehand who will choose him, and in the light of that, I believe that He blesses that person even before they are saved in the sense of preparing him for the ministry that he will later have after he receives Christ.

Biblical foreknowledge teaches no such thing. You are eisegeting into texts of Scripture something not there.

If foreknowledge does not mean knowing something beforehand, what does it mean?

This is so called "the lazy reason sophism" and its a muslim thing, its not a biblical predestination.

To be predestined to something does not mean to just wait and do nothing.

Calvinism is more a study of what Salvation is and where it comes from than a study of evil and where that comes from.

Calvinism wasn't really concerned with that part.

Evil comes from the heart of men which are influenced by the devil (the influencer of this world)

The ONLY escape from this is coming to the Lord Jesus Christ. And we only know this afterwards. Otherwise, we were just as blind as every one else.

Philippians 2:12 Wherefore, my beloved, as ye have always obeyed, not as in my presence only, but now much more in my absence, work out your own salvation with fear and trembling.

When you start working out YOUR OWN salvation, really finding out WHO it came from and HOW, then you are left really with just one of two conclusions;

1. You caused GOD to act and react by your own prayers and your own thoughts and your own will.

2. GOD caused you to act and react by influencing your prayers and thoughts and will.


I'll have to be honest and say that I thought #1 was true at first. Its what just about everyone teaches. Its what just about everyone believes.

Its not until you really study the bible and pray that you find out that it is #2 that is the truth and #1 is an illusion.

Where did I say it doesn't mean knowing something beforehand???? That's right, I didn't.

If you were to seriously study the doctrine, drop your presuppositions and adding into it what you think it entails, then you'd realize the error of the false definitions and outcomes up above. But I seriously doubt you can lose your pride and traditions and accomplish that. It would mean you'd have to admit you are wrong.

That's one of the most ignorant and arrogant statements I've seen in a while.

Done with the charade of this arrogant and ignorant tirade of hevosmies and baptistbiblebeliever. To at least one we are on our way to hell, and they will not allow God's word to speak above their ignorance and tradition.

Oh noes! Did you know we wuz muslims? Yea, drop our presups and listen to their presups!

Are all things ordained by God?

This seems like a lot of mental gymnastics to get around what the bible ACTUALLY teaches.

John 6:44 No man can come to me, except the Father which hath sent me draw him: and I will raise him up at the last day.

A man is drawn through the preaching of God's word and through the work of the holy spirit.