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Well you're wrong about that. And like the typical Christian, you don't know what apostasy is.
There's plenty of gray area in the NT. As long as they were not promoting damnable heresies, false teachers were not immediately expelled from Church. They were given a warning and a second chance, meanwhile, the congregation was urged to avoid them.
Learn something from Paul...
Philippians 1:14-18
And many of the brethren in the Lord, waxing confident by my bonds, are much more bold to speak the word without fear. And many of the brethren in the Lord, waxing confident by my bonds, are much more bold to speak the word without fear. Some indeed preach Christ even of envy and strife; and some also of good will: The one preach Christ of contention, not sincerely, supposing to add affliction to my bonds: But the other of love, knowing that I am set for the defence of the gospel. What then? notwithstanding, every way, whether in pretence, or in truth, Christ is preached; and I therein do rejoice, yea, and will rejoice.
Paul knew that because he was imprisoned some were bold and fearless preaching Christ, but some who were preaching Christ wanted to outdo Paul and were trying to build a name for themselves. Some were not sincere and were preaching Christ selfishly and with wrong motives. Even when the gospel was not being preached in complete truth and distorted, Paul was still able to rejoice knowing that Christ was being preached!
There's plenty of gray area in the NT. As long as they were not promoting damnable heresies, false teachers were not immediately expelled from Church. They were given a warning and a second chance, meanwhile, the congregation was urged to avoid them.
Learn something from Paul...
Philippians 1:14-18
And many of the brethren in the Lord, waxing confident by my bonds, are much more bold to speak the word without fear. And many of the brethren in the Lord, waxing confident by my bonds, are much more bold to speak the word without fear. Some indeed preach Christ even of envy and strife; and some also of good will: The one preach Christ of contention, not sincerely, supposing to add affliction to my bonds: But the other of love, knowing that I am set for the defence of the gospel. What then? notwithstanding, every way, whether in pretence, or in truth, Christ is preached; and I therein do rejoice, yea, and will rejoice.
Paul knew that because he was imprisoned some were bold and fearless preaching Christ, but some who were preaching Christ wanted to outdo Paul and were trying to build a name for themselves. Some were not sincere and were preaching Christ selfishly and with wrong motives. Even when the gospel was not being preached in complete truth and distorted, Paul was still able to rejoice knowing that Christ was being preached!
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Apostasy has always been putting words into the Mouth of God by men, and not receiving His teaching by the Holy Spirit. Some examples would be teaching to pray to saints, worship images, teach that Mary is the mother of God.........much more........
If you believe apostasy is other than teaching as from God what is from the minds of men, you just continue thinking you know much.
If you believe apostasy is other than teaching as from God what is from the minds of men, you just continue thinking you know much.
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I'd suggest that's fairly easy: you look for what is taught by men but not supported by Scripture. Of course, there are a lot of doctrines taught by men that are "supported" by Scripture... sort of... (I could start a list, but someone would disagree with it and take this thread sideways).
The solution? Teach the doctrines of Christ.
The solution? Teach the doctrines of Christ.
Add to this the misunderstandings of what Paul teaches us and to be true in our worship takes lots and lots of plain work. Even our holidays are listed in mythology, but not in scripture. We are even told by the people invented Easter that it was all because of Christ because His tomb was discovered empty.
Christ and Paul ever only said or did anything that we don't find in OT scripture. Yet our churches teach that they do.
Another major cause of distortion of scripture is to read it without knowing what the authors were living and thinking, those people who wrote what God was telling them. They repeated what they heard of the Lord's ways in language as they understood it. They did not explain through talk of the iron curtain, the web, and our latest hero, but in terms of what was happening in their day. We need to delve into history enough to know what that was so we understand what they were hearing from the Lord.
Another error made is to not keep in mind that fundamental truths of the Lord as we read scripture. God is a holy, righteous, glorious God. God gave us laws for us to live by, these laws are to bless us and obedience is a source of our blessings. Etc. As we read, if we find anything that says something different, we can be sure we are misunderstanding and we need to study deeper.
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It is quite simple. Know what is in Scripture, and compare all teachings against the Word of God. Prove all things, hold fast that which is good.
BTW the doctrines of demons are also ultimately the doctrines of men, since they are proclaimed through false prophets, false apostles, and false teachers.
BTW the doctrines of demons are also ultimately the doctrines of men, since they are proclaimed through false prophets, false apostles, and false teachers.
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The church I attend does teach the doctrines of Christ. I wouldn't be there otherwise. I can't speak for other churches, but I doubt that any person has enough experience attending different churches to make categorical statements about what "the church" teaches.
However, I agree, we need to read the Bible in its own context rather than injecting anachronisms.
However, I agree, we need to read the Bible in its own context rather than injecting anachronisms.
Beware lest any man spoil you through philosophy and vain deceit (anything that pulls the Believer away from the Cross is not of God), after the tradition of men (anything that is not of the Cross is of men), after the rudiments of the world, and not after Christ. (If it's truly after Christ, then it's after the Cross.) Colossians 2:8
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I haven't started a thread yet on the forum and 'apostasy' would be a good start. There are so many misconceptions about it that it's difficult to change peoples minds about it.
The word 'apostasia' is used in only two places in the bible and the only places we can go to understand it. It's not heresy, false doctrine, or a defection from truth. Neither is the word a departure/rapture like the pretribulationist like to say. The word is translated 'forsake' in Acts:21:21. It's a rebellion, a divorce, a complete abandonment of a prior affiliation.
In 2 Thes. 2 the word is used in relation of the man of sin. The apostasy of 2Thes. 2 has absolutely nothing to do with Christians or the Church.
The word 'apostasia' is used in only two places in the bible and the only places we can go to understand it. It's not heresy, false doctrine, or a defection from truth. Neither is the word a departure/rapture like the pretribulationist like to say. The word is translated 'forsake' in Acts:21:21. It's a rebellion, a divorce, a complete abandonment of a prior affiliation.
In 2 Thes. 2 the word is used in relation of the man of sin. The apostasy of 2Thes. 2 has absolutely nothing to do with Christians or the Church.
Hm, I have an example. In 1st January 1901 in Topeka we found the First Person who was baptized with the Holy Spirit and talking in tongues. At the same day Pope Leo XIii dedicated the 20th century to the Holy Spirit, motivatet through the prophetic nun Elena Guerra. In 1967 the Catholic Charismatic Renewal Movement startet in the Duquesne University in Pittsburgh through Influence of the Books: The Cross and the switchblade and They speak with other tongues. So both movements the catholic charismatic and the pentecostal movements and later the charismatic movements have the same roots. While the Catholic charismatic movement supports fully the Catholic Doctrine, Special their Doctrine about Mary, the pentecostal / charismatic movements do not.
How this can be ? Is it the Doctrine of Christ, Man ore the Devil?
From the point how they were founded and what they are teaching I cant support this teaching in the Bible. Yes it seems biblical, but then why the Holy Spirit supports the Catholic Doctrine?
How this can be ? Is it the Doctrine of Christ, Man ore the Devil?
From the point how they were founded and what they are teaching I cant support this teaching in the Bible. Yes it seems biblical, but then why the Holy Spirit supports the Catholic Doctrine?
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Two kinds of doctrines. Those of God inspired from heaven coming down like rain on earth .And the other earthly inspired of the devil.The devil or spirit of lies turning things upside down in order to take away the understanding from above
God is no longer brining any new revelations after any manner to include tongues .God is still bringing his interpretation in all the languages of all the nations and no longer Hebrew alone. It is a sign against the Hebrew that refused to hear prophecy .As they mocked Him he mocked them asa brood of vipers (false prophets ).
God is no longer brining any new revelations after any manner to include tongues .God is still bringing his interpretation in all the languages of all the nations and no longer Hebrew alone. It is a sign against the Hebrew that refused to hear prophecy .As they mocked Him he mocked them asa brood of vipers (false prophets ).
By reading the Bible and having the Holy Spirit to give you understanding of what you are reading..
Then by speaking up when you hear twisted doctrines being delivered..
In the end those who have the Holy Spirit will know the message from God and will be able to reject the tradition of man.. His sheep know His voice...
John 10: KJV
1 "Verily, verily, I say unto you, He that entereth not by the door into the sheepfold, but climbeth up some other way, the same is a thief and a robber. {2} But he that entereth in by the door is the shepherd of the sheep. {3} To him the porter openeth; and the sheep hear his voice: and he calleth his own sheep by name, and leadeth them out. {4} And when he putteth forth his own sheep, he goeth before them, and the sheep follow him: for they know his voice. {5} And a stranger will they not follow, but will flee from him: for they know not the voice of strangers."
Then by speaking up when you hear twisted doctrines being delivered..
In the end those who have the Holy Spirit will know the message from God and will be able to reject the tradition of man.. His sheep know His voice...
John 10: KJV
1 "Verily, verily, I say unto you, He that entereth not by the door into the sheepfold, but climbeth up some other way, the same is a thief and a robber. {2} But he that entereth in by the door is the shepherd of the sheep. {3} To him the porter openeth; and the sheep hear his voice: and he calleth his own sheep by name, and leadeth them out. {4} And when he putteth forth his own sheep, he goeth before them, and the sheep follow him: for they know his voice. {5} And a stranger will they not follow, but will flee from him: for they know not the voice of strangers."
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