Does God love all mankind and does He wish to save everyone

You are as sad as King Agrippa. The gospel is right before you yet you cannot receive it. How sad.

For the cause of Christ
Roger

You are not as the natural man described in 1 Cor 2:14 that has never been regenerated.

I read Eph 2.

I hope you are not shedding too many tears over me. You have said on numeral posts that you think that I am a lost soul. That is because you are not understanding the scriptures correctly. In my view of the scriptures, you are my brother in Christ and we will see each other in heaven.

Do you see what you have done to Romans 1? Because in your doctrine God does not allow man to reject Him by suppressing the truth in unrighteousness, you now claim that the verses from Rom 1:18 through Rom 1:31 are really descriptive of the "disobedient children of God".

So now you're telling me that these verses are not directed to those who suppress the truth in unrighteousness and thereby reject God. Rather, these verses describe the behavior of the "disobedient children of God" and even though they're "disobedient", they are "elect" and not destined for the lake of fire:

Romans 1:

18 For the wrath of God is revealed from heaven against all ungodliness and unrighteousness of men, who hold the truth in unrighteousness;

19 Because that which may be known of God is manifest in them; for God hath shewed it unto them.

20 For the invisible things of him from the creation of the world are clearly seen, being understood by the things that are made, even his eternal power and Godhead; so that they are without excuse:

21 Because that, when they knew God, they glorified him not as God, neither were thankful; but became vain in their imaginations, and their foolish heart was darkened.

22 Professing themselves to be wise, they became fools,

23 And changed the glory of the uncorruptible God into an image made like to corruptible man, and to birds, and fourfooted beasts, and creeping things.

24 Wherefore God also gave them up to uncleanness through the lusts of their own hearts, to dishonour their own bodies between themselves:

25 Who changed the truth of God into a lie, and worshipped and served the creature more than the Creator, who is blessed for ever. Amen.

26 For this cause God gave them up unto vile affections: for even their women did change the natural use into that which is against nature:

27 And likewise also the men, leaving the natural use of the woman, burned in their lust one toward another; men with men working that which is unseemly, and receiving in themselves that recompence of their error which was meet.

28 And even as they did not like to retain God in their knowledge, God gave them over to a reprobate mind, to do those things which are not convenient;

29 Being filled with all unrighteousness, fornication, wickedness, covetousness, maliciousness; full of envy, murder, debate, deceit, malignity; whisperers,

30 Backbiters, haters of God, despiteful, proud, boasters, inventors of evil things, disobedient to parents,

31 Without understanding, covenantbreakers, without natural affection, implacable, unmerciful:

32 Who knowing the judgment of God, that they which commit such things are worthy of death, not only do the same, but have pleasure in them that do them.


All because you cannot allow natural man to acknowledge that there is a Creator through observation of the natural, physical creation, and then to further suppress the truth in unrighteousness and thereby reject God.

No the "ALL MEN" in 1 Tim 2:4 does not have to be "ALL ELECT MEN".

God can (and does) allow mankind to reject Him as they suppress the truth in unrighteousness.

God can (and does) remain sovereign even though some men reject





The only thing that does not harmonize with Scripture is your faulty doctrine.





mmm-hmmmm. So rather than allow mankind to reject Him as man suppresses the truth in unrighteousness, we'll just teach that Rom 1:18-32 is really a description of "the disobedient child of God" as you claim in your posts #162 and #166.

Rom 1:18-32 does not really describe the unbeliever who suppresses the truth in unrighteousness, rejects God, and ends up in the lake of fire.

Have you read Eph 1? Because Eph 1:13 tells us:


We trust when we hear the gospel of salvation.

We are sealed when we believe.

And the sealing with that holy Spirit of promise is what quickens us (makes us alive) ... Ephesians 2:5 Even when we were dead in sins, hath quickened us together with Christ, (by grace ye are saved; ).

The Pharisees had similar false ideas regarding their standing with God. You must know Christ on a personal level not only on a corporate level.

As long as you teach a false soteriology I will continue to implore you to turn from false doctrine to the perfect gospel of Jesus Christ. Whosoever will includes you if you will.

For the cause of Christ
Roger

Unless you first understand the depravity of man, you will never be able to understand the grace of God.

1 Timothy 2
1 I exhort therefore, that, first of all, supplications, prayers, intercessions, and giving of thanks, be made for all men;
2 For kings, and for all that are in authority; that we may lead a quiet and peaceable life in all godliness and honesty.
3 For this is good and acceptable in the sight of God our Saviour;
4 Who will have all men to be saved, and to come unto the knowledge of the truth.

Who are the "all men" in verse 1? Are kings and all that are in authority included in the "all men"? Who are the "all men" in verse 4? Are all kings and all men in authority saved?

Salvation, save, saved, according to the Greek is "a deliverance". There is a deliverance here in this wold when the regenerated child of God "comes unto a knowledge of the truth". The natural man, according to 1 Cor 2:14 cannot come unto the knowledge of the spiritual truth, until he has been regenerated and given the Spirit. We are to pray that people who are in power to govern us will make the right choices.

1 corinthiians 2:14 must be your favorite bible verse. You repeat it all the time, and use it to "refute" 1 Timothy 2:1-4.

Have you ever considered the POSSIBILITY that your interpretation of 1 Cor 2:14 could be false?

I do understand that you have to make the natural man, void of the Spirit, be able to understand spiritual things, in order to uphold your theory that man has a part in his eternal salvation and can stop God from saving him eternally, even though God says that he accomplishes all of his will, and none can stay his hand.

Unless you first understand the depravity of man, you will never be able to understand the grace of God.

Let me hear your word for word interpretation of 1 Cor 2:14. Tell me what you think it means. I think that you would agree with me, that all scriptures must harmonize before you are understanding the doctrine that Jesus taught. Is that not right? Tell me how your interpretation would harmonize 1 Cor 2:14. Because my interpretation of 1 Cor 2:14 does not harmonize with your interpretation of 1 Tim 2:1-4. I do understand, that in order for you to uphold your theory that man has to play a part in his eternal salvation, you must try to make the natural man have the ability to discern spiritual things. So, let's hear it.

Since you appear to "understand the depravity of man", how about you explain "the grace of God" to us.

imho, God's grace is so far beyond our ability to comprehend that even if we do understand the depravity of man, we will never be able to fully understand His complete and utter grace, mercy, lovingkindness toward us. And what little we do realize concerning God's grace, mercy, lovingkindness is just a drop in the ocean.

Explain how the disciples before the resurrection, before the Lord sent the comforter...explain how they understood spiritual things? What about the OT saints who did not have the indwelling of the Holy Spirit, who were not regenerated yet?

Just follow what is written in Eph 1:13 without adding your preconceived notion and you’ll be fine.

Ephesians 1:13 In whom ye also trusted, after that ye heard the word of truth, the gospel of your salvation: in whom also after that ye believed, ye were sealed with that holy Spirit of promise,





Again, according to Eph 1:13:

Heard
Trusted
Believed
Sealed

Heard,trusted,believed,sealed, are not the traits of the natural man who cannot discern spiritual things. The are the traits of the regenerated person who has the indwelling of the Holy Spirit.