Do our churches include man made dogma?
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No doubt our KJV Bibles are different in the Old testament from that which Yeshua Himself used (Isaiah scroll). For one, the LATIN word LUCIFER would not have been in the Hebrew Torah for 2 reasons.
1. is obvious since the Hebrews call Satan the Adversary.
2. And Latin did not exist around when Isaiah wrote Isaiah, which was in 100% Hebrew!!
Of course there are many examples of scripture tampering.
So, what does it create when we read these add on's?
1. Personal point of view, possible agenda, not many could read to challenge it, one can only speculate as to the why it was done.
So, outside of us maybe getting someones personal view of God, it has been a useful tool to gather those who never read the scripture by blindly accepting the preachers word as if it was God Himself talking.
Some stories are the reason people got saved. And maybe the Holy Spirit will reveal to them to understand and learn the truth for themselves.
But just maybe a personal view that is not the inspired WORD of God being read [that is an add on], might be the way the Adversary can trick believers by twisting the scripture. Because, If we don't have actual word for word inspired of God scripture, the Adversary could actually trick us with the TRUTH!!
1. is obvious since the Hebrews call Satan the Adversary.
2. And Latin did not exist around when Isaiah wrote Isaiah, which was in 100% Hebrew!!
Of course there are many examples of scripture tampering.
So, what does it create when we read these add on's?
1. Personal point of view, possible agenda, not many could read to challenge it, one can only speculate as to the why it was done.
So, outside of us maybe getting someones personal view of God, it has been a useful tool to gather those who never read the scripture by blindly accepting the preachers word as if it was God Himself talking.
Some stories are the reason people got saved. And maybe the Holy Spirit will reveal to them to understand and learn the truth for themselves.
But just maybe a personal view that is not the inspired WORD of God being read [that is an add on], might be the way the Adversary can trick believers by twisting the scripture. Because, If we don't have actual word for word inspired of God scripture, the Adversary could actually trick us with the TRUTH!!
The same God who gave us His word has preserved it for us today to live by, every word. Our God is able. Don't let education, Greek or Hebrew, talk you out of believing every word. Jesus Himself translated the originals into copies in other languages.
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this gonna end up being a KJV Only thread iffin y'all ain't careful
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As you can see by the opinion icons attached to your OP , you may consider committing to a search of Bible scholarship as pertains to the study of your question.
In short answer to it, yes.
Research Soteriology and Ecclesiology, as a start. https://www.google.com/search?q=dr....a&oq=dr.+dan+wallace+man+made+dogma+&ie=UTF-8
In short answer to it, yes.
Research Soteriology and Ecclesiology, as a start. https://www.google.com/search?q=dr....a&oq=dr.+dan+wallace+man+made+dogma+&ie=UTF-8
Right on!!! So much time has gone by since Moses listened to God and wrote what God said, and the time of Jesus that we have a hard time understanding what they meant by what they said. We need accurate history of those times as well as a thorough knowledge of scripture.
The men who worked with the dead sea scrolls discovered that the OT did have necessary messages to us today and they learned a lot about ancient thinking. Paul used OT as proof texts in all he wrote, and it was the custom in those days to give just enough to tell the listeners what scriptures he referred to. Listeners were expected to know or look up the entire text.
If every denomination today had a complete grounding in the ways of God as the Torah gives it, then realized it is the same God who gave us Christ, there would be agreement.
Understanding the OT would include why the flood, why the dietary rules, what is meant by circumcision, why the wars, why the death sentences.
The men who worked with the dead sea scrolls discovered that the OT did have necessary messages to us today and they learned a lot about ancient thinking. Paul used OT as proof texts in all he wrote, and it was the custom in those days to give just enough to tell the listeners what scriptures he referred to. Listeners were expected to know or look up the entire text.
If every denomination today had a complete grounding in the ways of God as the Torah gives it, then realized it is the same God who gave us Christ, there would be agreement.
Understanding the OT would include why the flood, why the dietary rules, what is meant by circumcision, why the wars, why the death sentences.
That is a false accusation. Please demonstrate, specifically, and immediately, where I "wr[ote] [my] own Scripture", or withdraw the claim.
That is not refutation of the source material I provided in its chronoloigal order. It is simply the fallacy of hand-waving and bluster. That words proceeded from your heart to your fingers, does not mean you addressed, neither refuted, nor demonstrated wherein I am in error in any way whatsoever, in what was provided. It does mean one of two things for you however.
That is not refutation of the source material I provided in its chronoloigal order. It is simply the fallacy of hand-waving and bluster. That words proceeded from your heart to your fingers, does not mean you addressed, neither refuted, nor demonstrated wherein I am in error in any way whatsoever, in what was provided. It does mean one of two things for you however.
Psa_11:2 For, lo, the wicked bend their bow, they make ready their arrow upon the string, that they may privily shoot at the upright in heart.
Psa_94:22 But the LORD is my defence; and my God is the rock of my refuge.
Psa_28:7 The LORD is my strength and my shield; my heart trusted in him, and I am helped: therefore my heart greatly rejoiceth; and with my song will I praise him.
Psa_94:22 But the LORD is my defence; and my God is the rock of my refuge.
Psa_28:7 The LORD is my strength and my shield; my heart trusted in him, and I am helped: therefore my heart greatly rejoiceth; and with my song will I praise him.
Psa 17:1 A Prayer of David. Hear the right, O LORD, attend unto my cry, give ear unto my prayer, that goeth not out of feigned lips.
Psa 17:2 Let my sentence come forth from thy presence; let thine eyes behold the things that are equal.
Psa 17:3 Thou hast proved mine heart; thou hast visited me in the night; thou hast tried me, and shalt find nothing; I am purposed that my mouth shall not transgress.
Psa 17:4 Concerning the works of men, by the word of thy lips I have kept me from the paths of the destroyer.
Psa 17:5 Hold up my goings in thy paths, that my footsteps slip not.
Psa 17:6 I have called upon thee, for thou wilt hear me, O God: incline thine ear unto me, and hear my speech.
Psa 17:7 Shew thy marvellous lovingkindness, O thou that savest by thy right hand them which put their trust in thee from those that rise up against them.
Psa 17:8 Keep me as the apple of the eye, hide me under the shadow of thy wings,
Psa 17:9 From the wicked that oppress me, from my deadly enemies, who compass me about.
Psa 17:10 They are inclosed in their own fat: with their mouth they speak proudly.
Psa 17:11 They have now compassed us in our steps: they have set their eyes bowing down to the earth;
Psa 17:12 Like as a lion that is greedy of his prey, and as it were a young lion lurking in secret places.
Psa 17:13 Arise, O LORD, disappoint him, cast him down: deliver my soul from the wicked, which is thy sword:
Psa 17:14 From men which are thy hand, O LORD, from men of the world, which have their portion in this life, and whose belly thou fillest with thy hid treasure: they are full of children, and leave the rest of their substance to their babes.
Psa 17:15 As for me, I will behold thy face in righteousness: I shall be satisfied, when I awake, with thy likeness.
Psa 17:2 Let my sentence come forth from thy presence; let thine eyes behold the things that are equal.
Psa 17:3 Thou hast proved mine heart; thou hast visited me in the night; thou hast tried me, and shalt find nothing; I am purposed that my mouth shall not transgress.
Psa 17:4 Concerning the works of men, by the word of thy lips I have kept me from the paths of the destroyer.
Psa 17:5 Hold up my goings in thy paths, that my footsteps slip not.
Psa 17:6 I have called upon thee, for thou wilt hear me, O God: incline thine ear unto me, and hear my speech.
Psa 17:7 Shew thy marvellous lovingkindness, O thou that savest by thy right hand them which put their trust in thee from those that rise up against them.
Psa 17:8 Keep me as the apple of the eye, hide me under the shadow of thy wings,
Psa 17:9 From the wicked that oppress me, from my deadly enemies, who compass me about.
Psa 17:10 They are inclosed in their own fat: with their mouth they speak proudly.
Psa 17:11 They have now compassed us in our steps: they have set their eyes bowing down to the earth;
Psa 17:12 Like as a lion that is greedy of his prey, and as it were a young lion lurking in secret places.
Psa 17:13 Arise, O LORD, disappoint him, cast him down: deliver my soul from the wicked, which is thy sword:
Psa 17:14 From men which are thy hand, O LORD, from men of the world, which have their portion in this life, and whose belly thou fillest with thy hid treasure: they are full of children, and leave the rest of their substance to their babes.
Psa 17:15 As for me, I will behold thy face in righteousness: I shall be satisfied, when I awake, with thy likeness.
anyone who preaches anything but salvation through faith and belief in Christ is a false teacher.
I know all the judeaizer tricks- Jesus was crucified on wed. , rose on the Sabbath. " we keep all the words of God ". the catholic church invented sun. worship.
all these are just tricks and lies. just your " list " of scripture you made earlier.
I know all the judeaizer tricks- Jesus was crucified on wed. , rose on the Sabbath. " we keep all the words of God ". the catholic church invented sun. worship.
all these are just tricks and lies. just your " list " of scripture you made earlier.
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