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toinena

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I have been a bit ambivalent to the Lutheran Church in Norway. It is the former state Church with the royal family as their head. Perhaps it has changed now, but still, the monarch has to belong to the church even after the reforms.

I grew up in that church. I fell away from that church. I found salvation in that church when I was 19.

As a newly saved I went to church every Sunday and loved the liturgy, the hymns, the sermons and didn't see anything wrong with female priests and greeted the first female bishop welcome as well. I was invisible in the church, and that was fine by me. I didn't really identify as one of them, anyhow. I just knew I was saved and believed fullheartedly in God and His son Jesus.

I got married and moved abroad. My faith was challenged. I understood that some of the liberal views were not Biblical. I learnt, and I found a sound fellowship. I came back to Norway 10 years later and found that the church was changed. Or was it I? It was difficult to tell. I didn't belong there anymore.

A couple of years ago there was a church election, and the pro LGBT mobilised strongly to get as much influence as possible. They succedeeded, and the year following the church accepted to wed any couples, whether gay or heterosexual. I felt appalled. It was the non beliveing body of the church that took the power over the church and decided the teachings. Where did the Bible go? What is left of the gospel?

I went to church last weekend and found out. The female Bishop had a sermon on the scripture of Lazarus and the rich man. A strong scripture that could make the congregation move to tears and repentance. But no! Jesus' name was only mentioned in passing after 10 minutes of feel good but care about your fellow human message. And that only to say that He was surrounded by his friends. No mentioning of the possibility of damnation. No call for repentance. But a lot of talk about refugees. How did that happen? The whole sermon could have been a speech at the Labor Party's conference!

I was deeply saddened and disturbed. All that talking of inclusiveness and seeing the individual and feel good about how good we are speech, and I found myself alone in the corner at the coffee afterwards. I clearly don't belong there. I am blessed with having found a sound fellowship. Unfortunately it is a bit far, but rather that than spending a Sunday listening to empty words of human kindness.

Do we need this kind of state institution? It surely doesn't feel like church anymore. The church is the people following Christ. Not the building that people meet in to feel good about themselves once in a while.
 

Lenardzw

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While the church may have changed with a change in its leadership, I think you changed even more so and found your selvf looking at it all with a different perspective.
 

Pumpkinspice

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After the fall its all about being in His presence seeking Him and gloryfying Him in Church. Our primary focus should be communing with Him and worshipping Him.
 

VincentG

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I think what we call church is actually the house of the Lord and the believers are the church.
 
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A PROPHETIC WORD UNTO YOU.. YOU have been in your FREE WILL TEST, in whom this WORLD, is not PASSING, for you have CHOSEN to WORSHIP a "GOD" through the Title of GOD, who is NOT YOUR CREATOR, in whom we call ABBA, and not GOD, but ABBA, which means FATHER, have you not READ? Fulfilling the FATHER Scriptures... Galatians 4:6 And because ye are sons, the FATHER hath sent forth the Spirit of his Son into your hearts, crying, “ABBA", Father. Mark 14:36 And he said, “ABBA", Father, all things are possible unto thee; take away this cup from me: nevertheless not what I will, but what thou wilt. Roman 8:15 For ye have not received the spirit of bondage again to fear; but ye have received the Spirit of adoption, whereby we cry, “ABBA", Father.

I AM THE TRUE CHURCH as well as the TRUE TEMPLE... I AM YAHOSHUA, whose NAME is SHOWING YOU THE THREE NAMES of the THREE WITNESSES that are NEEDED to BEAR RECORD in HEAVEN as well as in EARTH.



Yah..... who is My FATHER

YOSHUA........WHO I AM, THE "WORD" as well as the SON

AH.............Which is also in My FATHER'S NAME which is "YAH", the "AH" which SIGNIFIED by the HOLY SPIRIT, through the COVENANT AGREEMENT, that I HAVE



TOGETHER, this SPELLS "YAHOSHUA" WHO I AM, for this is HOW YOU FIND ME.... If you were to take the "AH" out of My NAME "YAHOSHUA", it would leave you with "YOSHUA" who I AM THE "WORD" which came unto you in the FLESH, saith YAHOSHUA.

Now, you show me in the name of JESUS/YESHUA, or any other name showing you these names.. For I tell you this.. If My FATHER is BEARING RECORD to MY NAME, HIS WORD is "GREATER" Then MAN'S, and YES, EVEN YOURS, saith YAHOSHUA, who is Christ, unto YOU who are of the GENTILE NATIONS, and unto the JEWS, I AM, MESSIAH, fulfilling the FATHER Scriptures...

1John 5:7-13 FOR THERE ARE “THREE" WITNESSES THAT BEAR RECORD IN HEAVEN, THE “FATHER", THE “WORD", and THE “HOLY SPIRIT": AND THESE THREE ARE ONE. And there are three that bear witness in earth, the “SPIRIT", and the “WATER" and the “BLOOD": and these THREE all AGREE in “ONE. If we receive the WITNESS of MEN, the “WITNESS" of the FATHER is GREATER: for this is the witness of the FATHER WHICH “HE” HATH “TESTIFIED” of His “SON”. He that believeth on the Son of the FATHER HATH THE “WITNESS” IN “HIMSELF”: he that believeth NOT THE FATHER HATH MADE “HIM”, [meaning the FATHER] A “LIAR"; because he believeth not the RECORD THAT THE FATHER GAVE HIS “SON". AND THIS IS THE “RECORD" THAT THE FATHER HATH GIVEN TO US “ETERNAL LIFE", AND THIS LIFE IS IN HIS “SON”. He that hath the Son hath life; and he that hath not the Son of the FATHER hath not life. These things have I written unto you that BELIEVE ON THE “NAME" OF THE “SON" of the FATHER; THAT YE MAY KNOW THAT YE HAVE “ETERNAL LIFE", and that ye may believe on the name of the “SON” of the FATHER.

SHALOM