Sex before marriage: a poll

I will supply the obvious joke.

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Trying to get a snapshot of the modern Church view on sex before marriage. Please feel free to elaborate!

Of course those two groups are in direct conflict with God and obviously have never read Song of Solomon with understanding. From what I understand the original language is quite racy and our modern translations keep it a "G" rated.

The problem is not sex but marriage. What is marriage? Marriage is not what many think.

Marriage as per God is on the basis of "..when two or three agree, God is in their midst (as a witness)..." And specifically when a man is bound to a woman through love, when the two agree to be together. Marriage is not a wedding- weddings are traditions of men that is mostly applied in place of God's law and are generally evil in this end times.

A boyfriend and a girlfriend are already married as long as they agree to be together and consummate their marriage with sex. This makes your poll null and void because your idea of marriage is different from what God has said. Garden of Eden is a perfect example of marriage and was overseen by God. So, a marriage is overseen by God only; the reason God says "...let no man separate what God has joined..."

Therefore:
1. Breaking up with a girlfriend or boyfriend is divorce
2. Weddings and marriage certificates or divorce certificates do not mean anything positive spiritually but only serve to fulfill the law of the land (statutory). But let's be careful even as we give Caesar what belongs to him lest we forget God because weddings have become an oath taking/promise making ceremonies yet we have no control of the future. Jesus said it is evil.

The only thing that makes the Song of Solomon racy is the carnal imagination of fallen human beings. It is a picture of Yeshua and His Bride. If the church is His bride, He's the head, we're the body, where is there any room for erotic interpretation?

That absolutely does not fit with the rest of scripture. Let everything be established with two or three witnesses, and where else in the Bible does God promote a sort of sacred eroticism between us?

Song of Solomon is Jesus coming back for His bride. I think everyone who views it as a purely erotic book is missing out on what God truly intended to portray; His love for us.

I highly recommend Mark Gungor videos on the marriage relationship. I learned about Mark Gungor from @BillG a while back and am so grateful I did!

This is the wrong forum. Discussing whether Song of Solomon is erotic fiction or anointed scripture belongs in BDF.

But it sure is effective at clearing a church out to announce you're taking your sermon text from Song of Solomon. Even the deacons bail out. =^.^=

Too bad he has no formal training to speak about men's and women's brains.

Entertaining fiction.

Taken right from his presentation at a church.

Draws a diagram of a heart with smiley face below it that is supposed to represent the genitals. He goes on to explain that women need to learn that you get to the man's heart through the smiley. Men needs to understand that if they want the smiley, they need to get to the heart.

This is also what he teaches...

- Women give in relationships and men take. The solution is for women to learn how to take rather than give.

- If you want your husband to do something, make sure you tell him many times. Men won't hear the first time, you need to tell them lots of times.

- The way to get your husband to do something, is to withhold sex until he does it. You need to put conditions on love.

- God did not love unconditionally. If you don't love him, you don't go to heaven, that's a condition. (False Gospel)

Just want the information to be available and honest.

He is not trained as a a psychologist, therapist or neuroscientist, I will admit though he is a comedian.

Haha

the modern church view? You’ll have your “it’s ok” crowd. You’ll have the “sex is bad!!!” crowd. You’ll have the crowd that talks about it too much. You’ll have the crowd that has it as a taboo subject.

What does God say though?

the modern church view? You’ll have your “it’s ok” crowd. You’ll have the “sex is bad!!!” crowd. You’ll have the crowd that talks about it too much. You’ll have the crowd that has it as a taboo subject.

What does God say though?

Ok now to really stir the pot (or show my ignorance)....

Where in Song of Solomon does it say that the couple is married? Or have we just assumed that they were married because we all know the Bible teaches that sex outside of marriage is a sin?