Not By Works

A very good post. I'm so thankful that I'm truting in Christ ALONE for my salvation. There is no other way.

But I also trust Christ ALONE, that when he teaches me to follow him and do the kinds of works he did and to bring much fruit into his kingdom, as he has before ordained, that I should walk in these works, that he will bless me with his grace and forgive me of my sins and allow me to have EL with him.

So the combination of trusting in Christ ALONE, and doing what only Christ AlONE has ordained for us to do = EL. There is no other way.

One of those churches is a Christian church . . . 999 are not. There is only one Gospel that saves.

There is only ONE Gospel unto Salvation. If we want to talk about how we should follow Jesus once we hear that Gospel, respond by believing it and receiving Him, that's fine. So here is THE Gospel succinctly laid out by Paul:

1 Corinthians 15
15 Moreover, brethren, I DECLARE to you the gospel which I preached to you, which also you received and in which you stand, 2 by which also you are saved, if you hold fast that word which I preached to you—unless you believed in vain.
3 For I delivered to you first of all that which I also received: that Christ died for our sins according to the Scriptures, 4 and that He was buried, and that He rose again the third day according to the Scriptures, 5 and that He was seen by [a]Cephas, then by the twelve. 6 After that He was seen by over five hundred brethren at once, of whom the greater part remain to the present, but some have [b]fallen asleep. 7 After that He was seen by James, then by all the apostles. 8 Then last of all He was seen by me also, as by one born out of due time.

Now Please read how Paul says we should react to any kind of different gospel:
Galatians 1:8 New King James Version (NKJV)
8 But even if we, or an angel from heaven, preach ANY other gospel to you than what we have preached to you, let him be [a]accursed.


I agree you have a pleasant demeanor, however maybe now you can understand why some of us get upset when we see THE Gospel being tainted. Especially with man's works.

BH,

The above is why people are confused or reject what you are trying to convey.
"I trust in Christ alone"
You then walk in these works ordained before hand in order to have EL.

BUT

If you do so, good works, you come across as saying he will bless you with his grace and forgive you of your sins and give you EL.

BH you have already been blessed by his grace.
Your sins have already been forgiven, you do not have to do good works to earn his grace, you do not have to do good works to be forgiven of your sins.

I know your beef is EL and how it can be lost.
It cannot be lost by lack of works, or lots of works.
The truth is that we cannot qualify or quantify the level of works in order to be saved.
If we do so then it's going to be a hard hard walk with God.

Post #667 because I don't like having a post #666.

I am upset that the gospel is so tainted. I pray to God that I am not tainting the gospel of His Son. I try to follow all of the gospel. Is the bible not full of "do good works" kind of scriptures. Why is if full of "do good works"? If all we had to do was believe in Jesus, the bible would be 20 letters telling the first century church 1 thing: Believe in Jesus and you will be saved. 1 sentence per written letter from the apostles. There has to be more than just believe in Jesus. I believe that is just the starting line, not the end of the race to salvation.

Tell me why the bible is constantly preaching to be a good Christian, full of good works that your Father in Heaven will be glorified?

You say EL cannot be lost by lack of works, but what about the works you were saved unto, and the works that Jesus had before ordained you to do, and admonished you that you should walk in those works? What if you don't do those works? Jesus just says, that's OK, come into my kingdom anyway?

You are right Magenta. Lots of false gospels being promoted by our Christian churches. Stay close to the bible and do what God tells you to do and you will be OK, even in a world of confusion.

By the book of acts it wasn't news any more. It was history. I hear what you are saying, I've never heard gospels used this way before. As if something has equal validity of the 4 ORIGINAL gospels.

And you were saying just a few days ago, that it didn't matter about about our Differences.

You are exhibiting the traits of a deceiver, telling them what they want to hear and later you will switch them to your false gospel.

2 Timothy 3:13 (NKJV)
13 But evil men and impostors will grow worse and worse, deceiving and being deceived.

ben , yes we SHOULD do works , and walk in them , but remember we r in the age of grace , where all it takes to be saved is believing.
if a person believes the Gospel , and trusts Jesus for Salvation , but doesnt walk in the works God has planned for them to do , they will lose rewards , and be ashamed when they come face to face with Christ at the Bema seat !
But they will still be saved , because they BELIEVED !!!!

I agree if you are adding works to gain, embellish or keep salvation, you are treading on thin ice. However, if Jesus wants you to be engaged in good works that he before ordained you to and that you should walk in them, then I do the works he has prepared for me.

Do you do the works Jesus has before prepared for you, or are you so stuck on "no works in any form" that you miss what your Saviour wants you to do?

You all hold the fort down for me....be boarding QF 9 from Sydney to Dallas in about 35 min....15 hour flight from Sydney to Dallas and then 1.5 or so from Dallas to St. Louis......will be out of sorts for at least 16 hours or so.....keep swinging and keep preaching the one true way...by grace through faith with no strings, works, hoop jumping needed for biblical salvation haha

"And no marvel; for Satan himself is transformed into an angel of light. Therefore it is no great thing if his ministers also be transformed as the ministers of righteousness; whose end shall be according to their works" (II Corinthians 11:14-15).

I bet they are even 'pleasant.'

OK, is EL somehow divided into reward levels of some sort. If you recieve the highest awards possible, you go to the highest levels of heaven. And if you recieve the lowest awards or no rewards possible, you go to the lower levels of heaven. And if you earn some rewards, but not the highest, you go to a sort of middle levels of heaven. Is that how the rewards program works?

IOW what do you receive for the most rewards, the nex most rewards, down to no rewards?

Wow, there you go with satan again. I will admit I am not a perfect man, but am I near the status of satan, because I teach people to be engaged in the work of Jesus Christ and to produce fruit for his kingdom? How did I ever get so on your bad side?

Decon is enroute, on the way home from Australia, the post below will explain.



Quote benhur: "no works in any form", the issue is, "works to keep yourself saved." remember you think God will, "cut you off" and cast you away, which is not true. The works Christians produce after they are saved is evidence that they are saved it is not works that keep their salvation secure.

God's love of His Children is not based on performance.

God bless!

Nah, just one of his minions . . .

Wow, there you go with satan again. I will admit I am not a perfect man, but am I near the status of satan, because I teach people to be engaged in the work of Jesus Christ and to produce fruit for his kingdom? How did I ever get so on your bad side?

Eternal life is granted on what we BELIEVE ben , and yes I think thats how the rewards program will work
Some will stand before Christ ashamed because they have nothing to place before him ( no works ) but they will still be saved

I'm a minion of satan because I tell people to be engaged in the great work of Jesus Christ? You must be a sick man.