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Benhur post#72,787
Hi BaptistBibleBeliever , I'm on your side and I reported benhurs post today. As a matter of fact this post should upset every Christian, listen to his words will you please, he is saying that if "God's Children" do not produce fruit/works, God is going to, "cut us off" and throw us into the fire.
God will discipline His Children but He will never "cut us of", ask the "Prodigal Son"
This post was so arrogant and against my Savior Jesus Christ, never mind myself, that I was moved to report benhurs post. He offended my God and My Savior Jesus Christ.
Thank you BaptistBibleBeliever and God bless you for defending our Savior
Does this post of benhur not offend some of the posters on this thread, I find it extremely offensive. benhur say's that without enough fruit/works we will be cut off the true vine, "Really?" I do not think this forum is a place to voice this level of "false doctrine" on such a beautiful International Christian Forum.
Hi BaptistBibleBeliever , I'm on your side and I reported benhurs post today. As a matter of fact this post should upset every Christian, listen to his words will you please, he is saying that if "God's Children" do not produce fruit/works, God is going to, "cut us off" and throw us into the fire.
God will discipline His Children but He will never "cut us of", ask the "Prodigal Son"
This post was so arrogant and against my Savior Jesus Christ, never mind myself, that I was moved to report benhurs post. He offended my God and My Savior Jesus Christ.
Thank you BaptistBibleBeliever and God bless you for defending our Savior
Does this post of benhur not offend some of the posters on this thread, I find it extremely offensive. benhur say's that without enough fruit/works we will be cut off the true vine, "Really?" I do not think this forum is a place to voice this level of "false doctrine" on such a beautiful International Christian Forum.
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"Judas Escariot "was never in the vine" of Christ" (This is a false statement)
This is a false statement, Judas Escariot was absolutely, "in the vine" he was one of Jesus twelve disciples. You are twisting God's word to make it say what you want it to say and there are many bible scholars that would disagree with your statement. Our Heavenly Father will discipline His own Children but He will never "cut us off", you are misinterpreting, John15:2, to your shame.
You are trying to prove that a "True born again believer" can lose their eternal salvation and the bible is clear that God will not lose one of his sheep, not one. And our eternal salvation is "a gift" you cannot work for a gift.
John15:2
He cuts off every branch in me that bears no fruit, while every branch that does bear fruit he prunes so that it will be even more fruitful.
benhur you are pushing a "false gosple"
This is a false statement, Judas Escariot was absolutely, "in the vine" he was one of Jesus twelve disciples. You are twisting God's word to make it say what you want it to say and there are many bible scholars that would disagree with your statement. Our Heavenly Father will discipline His own Children but He will never "cut us off", you are misinterpreting, John15:2, to your shame.
You are trying to prove that a "True born again believer" can lose their eternal salvation and the bible is clear that God will not lose one of his sheep, not one. And our eternal salvation is "a gift" you cannot work for a gift.
John15:2
He cuts off every branch in me that bears no fruit, while every branch that does bear fruit he prunes so that it will be even more fruitful.
benhur you are pushing a "false gosple"
What I believe is what I find in the bible. The bible is not a false teacher.
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BEN, there you go again, rattling off a post without even reading what you wrote. Look at what I highlighted in RED.
What you just said is that Jesus Saves you, but some part of Salvation is because of your WORKS.
If that is what you MEANT TO SAY; then you are on your own, and you do preach the false gospel of works righteousness. That expression does not mean ONLY your works can save you, IT MEANS YOU BELIEVE PART OF YOUR SALVATION is dependent on your WORKS..
IF IT WAS AN ERROR ON YOUR PART, PLEASE CORRECT IT.
Now the REST OF your post is in ERROR TOO, look at my last post to you. #72,815
What you just said is that Jesus Saves you, but some part of Salvation is because of your WORKS.
If that is what you MEANT TO SAY; then you are on your own, and you do preach the false gospel of works righteousness. That expression does not mean ONLY your works can save you, IT MEANS YOU BELIEVE PART OF YOUR SALVATION is dependent on your WORKS..
IF IT WAS AN ERROR ON YOUR PART, PLEASE CORRECT IT.
Now the REST OF your post is in ERROR TOO, look at my last post to you. #72,815
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I wanna hear this!
Your banter is coming form your head and not from your heart. I can find scholars and scientists' that will say our God is an ET, the world is flat, Hitler's alive...Astrology is science, the devil was just misunderstood. What does your heart say? Or do you know?
Your banter is coming form your head and not from your heart. I can find scholars and scientists' that will say our God is an ET, the world is flat, Hitler's alive...Astrology is science, the devil was just misunderstood. What does your heart say? Or do you know?
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Hi VCO, benhur has been pushing his works agenda from the time he came to this forum/thread. It is a partial works gospel because he believes it is Jesus who saves but we need to keep producing works or we will lose our eternal salvation. A half of a gospel is a whole lie is what I was taught from since I was a babe in Christ.
His particular brand of false doctrine - (poison), includes a "social gospel", whereby the Church will over come all of the social problems in the world today. Because he is a Liberal Christian that thinks the Church will be the answer to all of the worlds social ills; he therefore interprets the bible to be a "works gospel" First Jesus saves us and then we go to work to keep our salvation and eternal life.
Question: "What is the social gospel?"
Answer: The phrase “social gospel” is usually used to describe a Protestant Christian intellectual movement that came to prominence in the late 19th and early 20th centuries. Those who adhered to a social gospel sought to apply Christian ethics to social problems such as poverty, slums, poor nutrition and education, alcoholism, crime, and war. These things were emphasized while the doctrines of sin, salvation, heaven and hell, and the future kingdom of God were downplayed.
His particular brand of false doctrine - (poison), includes a "social gospel", whereby the Church will over come all of the social problems in the world today. Because he is a Liberal Christian that thinks the Church will be the answer to all of the worlds social ills; he therefore interprets the bible to be a "works gospel" First Jesus saves us and then we go to work to keep our salvation and eternal life.
Question: "What is the social gospel?"
Answer: The phrase “social gospel” is usually used to describe a Protestant Christian intellectual movement that came to prominence in the late 19th and early 20th centuries. Those who adhered to a social gospel sought to apply Christian ethics to social problems such as poverty, slums, poor nutrition and education, alcoholism, crime, and war. These things were emphasized while the doctrines of sin, salvation, heaven and hell, and the future kingdom of God were downplayed.
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Jesus knew. And it is recorded in Scripture that He knew. He called Judas unclean. He called him the son of perdition. That means Judas was doomed to destruction. If you believe Judas was saved at one time, then he lost his salvation, whereas Jesus says He will lose none of those who are given to Him.
John 6:64 "But there are some of you who do not believe.” For Jesus knew from the beginning who they were who did not believe, and who it was that would betray Him.
John 6:64 "But there are some of you who do not believe.” For Jesus knew from the beginning who they were who did not believe, and who it was that would betray Him.
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