Why Jesus is NOT coming soon

There is no reason to think it must be "way after 70 AD".

It could be about the Asyrian or the Babylonian captivity without any problem.

No, in 30 AD the last week began, in its middle (33 AD) Christ was crucified. Everything fits perfectly.

There it no need to connect the destruction of the temple in 70 AD to this last week.

When has God gathered Israel from among the nations?

Nowhere in Galatians is land spoken of . . . but faith.

And when has our present earth and its elements melted in the heat? Must be something future.

I see a clause in I Corinthians that gives me all the faith in eternal security that I need. Our works for Christ will be judged and if any works are burned as wood, hay or stubble the Bible says that that believer shall suffer loss, yet he himself shall be saved, yet so as by fire.

We're not talking about works, nor are we saved by works. Salvation is obtained by faith in the shed blood of Christ. If anyone is not having faith, then their works are irrelevant.

That is not true. None of the scriptures that I used were directed at Israel. I used Paul's letter to the Corinthians and Jesus letters to the seven churches.

If that were true, then the kingdom of heaven, would not be the king of heaven. It would be a contradiction in terms. For example:

"In My Father’s house are many rooms. If it were not so, would I have told you that I am going there to prepare a place for you? 3And if I go and prepare a place for you, I will come back and welcome you into My presence, so that you also may be where I am."

In the scripture above, Jesus promises that that He is going to prepare places for us in His Father's house, which could only refer to heaven and which is synonymous with "the kingdom of heaven" and which does not infer the millennial kingdom and that because the millennial kingdom will be on earth.

Salvation is and has always been obtained through faith. No faith, no salvation. I given you examples and scripture. You can of course continue to believe what you do, but I will stay with what I have presented. Once again, here is what Paul said to the Gentile Colossians:

"But now he has reconciled you by Christ’s physical body through death to present you holy in his sight, without blemish and free from accusation—[IF] you continue in your faith, established and firm, and do not move from the hope held out in the gospel."

"For we have become partakers of Christ, [IF] we hold fast the beginning of our assurance firm until the end"


Both of those scriptures have conditions attached to them "if we continue in faith." We are not just saved to be saved, so that we can turn back to willfully living according to the sinful nature. If a believer turns back to the sinful nature, while in that state they are accumulating sin which leads to death. This is the truth of scripture. OSAS takes does away with the fear of God. Did you read the following scripture:

"But watch yourselves, or your hearts will be weighed down by dissipation, drunkenness, and the worries of life—and that day will spring upon you suddenly like a trap. For it will come upon all who dwell on the face of the whole earth. So keep watch at all times, and pray that you may have the strength to escape all that is about to happen and to stand before the Son of Man.”

The above is not to Israel, but to the church. Notice that, believers who fall back into dissipation, drunkenness and the cares of this life (sinful nature), Jesus said, that period of God's wrath will close on them that like a trap, meaning that they will be left here when He comes for the church to endure His wrath.

Pay attention to what these scriptures are saying.

When the 'kingdom of heaven' is used to begin a parable - Jesus is speaking of the Millennium.

In the context of the Flood, we can also apply "taken" to Noah and the occupants of the Ark, while the ones "left" would be all who perished in the Flood. They were "left behind" and then "taken" by the Flood waters.

Your interpretation is complex, whereas this is simple given the exhortation to watchful.

Agreed.

The phrase "the kingdom of the heavens" refers to the promised and prophesied earthly Millennial Kingdom, which will commence upon His "RETURN" there (that is, to the earth).

I know what a true church is, I'm asking the cultist which cult he believes is the true church. Unfortunately, he won't answer. He did make the statement that all organized churches are from the Antichrist - so my vote is that he is a Moron . . . er, a Mormon.

Then, if it is on the earth, the "kingdom of heaven" would be a contradiction of terms. For the life of me, I don't know why people attempt to interpret "the kingdom of heaven" to mean His kingdom on earth. The kingdom of heaven is exactly what it states, "the kingdom of heaven," i.e. up above. The term is self explanatory.

If the kingdom of heaven is referring to the millennial kingdom on earth, then what would the kingdom of heaven, the place where God rules from, be called? The phrase "kingdom of heaven" is self explanatory to mean the kingdom of HEAVEN, which is above the earth.

I have also heard many preachers say the kingdom of heaven and kingdom of God are completely different things.... But then there is this:

Matthew 19:23-24
Then Jesus said to his disciples, “Truly I tell you, it is hard for someone who is rich to enter the kingdom of heaven. Again I tell you, it is easier for a camel to go through the eye of a needle than for someone who is rich to enter the kingdom of God.”

BOOM!

I have also heard many preachers say the kingdom of heaven and kingdom of God are completely different things.... But then there is this:

Matthew 19:23-24
Then Jesus said to his disciples, “Truly I tell you, it is hard for someone who is rich to enter the kingdom of heaven. Again I tell you, it is easier for a camel to go through the eye of a needle than for someone who is rich to enter the kingdom of God.”

BOOM!

The kingdom of God can encompass all creation, for God created and owns everything. However, the phrase "kingdom of heaven" is self explanatory. Unfortunately, there are those who insist on interpreting "the kingdom of heaven" as "the kingdom of heaven on earth," which is just a futile attempt at misinterpreting the meaning of the phrase in order to support their belief. For example, when Jesus responded to the faith of the Gentile centurion, He said,

"I say to you that many will come from the east and the west, and will take their places at the feast with Abraham, Isaac and Jacob in the kingdom of heaven."

Those who believe that the wedding feast will take place during the millennial kingdom, attempt to make the "kingdom of heaven" as referring to the kingdom of heaven on earth. However, the designation is self explanatory identifying the wedding feast taking place in heaven. They attempt this with other scriptures like "Truly I tell you, today you will be with me in paradise," saying that "the comma should be placed after the word "today" so that instead of the scripture demonstrating that the man would be in paradise with Jesus that very day, they change it to mean that Jesus was telling the man on that day that he would eventually be in paradise with him. They do the same with "this generation will not pass away," attempting to make "this generation" the one that Jesus was living in, in order to support their belief in preterism, instead of the generation being identified with all of those signs that Jesus mentions in Matt.24, which hasn't happened yet.

Hey Ahwatukee. Do you believe we go back to the Torah in the millennium? Or what will be the "Law of the Land" in that time? Will there be animal sacrifices? What will be the plan of salvation then?
Or will we follow NT there?

Hello Nehemiah6,

Your claim above is one of my pet peeves. The "one taken" of the "one will be taken and the other left" parable is not about the gathering of the church! Let's look at the actual scripture:

"For the coming of the Son of Man (second coming) will be just like the days of Noah. 38“For as in those days before the flood they were eating and drinking, marrying and giving in marriage, until the day that Noah entered the ark, 39and they did not understand until the flood came and took them all away; so will the coming of the Son of Man be. 40“Then there will be two men in the field; one will be taken and one will be left. 41“Two women will be grinding at the mill; one will be taken and one will be left."

The "one taken" is being compared to those "taken" in the flood. Therefore, the comparison is wicked to wicked.

Luke's version is a little more revealing:

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"I tell you, on that night two people will be in one bed; one will be taken and the other left. Two women will be grinding grain together; one will be taken and the other left.”

“Where, Lord?” they asked.

He replied, “Where there is a dead body, there the vultures will gather.”
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When Jesus says, "one will be taken" the disciples ask "where, Lord?" i.e. where are they going to be taken. The Lord responds with "Where there is a dead body, there the vultures will gather."

Jesus' response regarding "where there is a dead body, there the vultures/birds will gather," is in reference to an event which takes place as Jesus is returning to the earth to end the age:

"And I saw an angel standing in the sun, who cried in a loud voice to all the birds flying in midair, “Come, gather together for the great supper of God, so that you may eat the flesh of kings, generals, and the mighty, of horses and their riders, and the flesh of all people, free and slave, great and small.” - Rev.19:17-18

Those of the "one taken" group, will be those wicked who will have made it alive through the time of God's wrath until Christ comes. Then, according to the parable found in Matt.13:24-29, 37-43, at the end of the age, the angels will go throughout the earth and "first" gather the weeds, i.e. the "one taken." The angels will take them to where Jesus descends at Armageddon and they will all be killed by the double-edged sword (word of God) and the birds/vultures that will have been gathered by the angel, will eat their flesh.

Those who will be taken of the "one taken" group are not the righteous, nor does their being taken have anything to do with the gathering of the church. It is the wicked who are in view and will be taken.

Not even the math works. The wicked outnumber us what...10 to 1?...100 to 1?

the church is raptured,and millions are martyred, so that leaves what....millions to 1???

Lets play this out. The one left behind is righteous. Half earths population. That also means half of earth population DOES NOT HAVE THE MARK,and are working jobs!!!
Plus you have one christian in a bed with someone that has the mark,of the beast!!!!
No way is it one righteous that is left....no way

No way is it one righteous that is left....no way

"‘No,’ he said, ‘if you pull the weeds now, you might uproot the wheat with them. 30Let both grow together until the harvest. At the proper time I will tell the harvesters, “First collect the weeds and tie them in bundles to be burned; then gather the wheat into my barn.”

The weeds are collected first by the angels (one taken) to be killed when Jesus returns to the earth to end the age. And the wheat (great tribulation saints) are gathered and brought into the millennial kingdom.

It says they are burned. That is the gwtj.

In mat 24 they ask 3 questions.
Reread that. Jesus is addressing multiple issues.

The wheat is harvested with the tares. It is impossible to cut them separately.
This further depicts a double gathering at the gwtj.
Reread that. You will see