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BaptistBibleBeliever

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God never moves without purpose or plan
When trying His servant and molding a man.
Give thanks to the LORD though your testing seems long;
In darkness He giveth a song.

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I could not see through the shadows ahead;
So I looked at the cross of my Savior instead.
I bowed to the will of the Master that day;
Then peace came and tears fled away.

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Now I can see testing comes from above;
God strengthens His children and purges in love.
My Father knows best, and I trust in His care;
Through purging more fruit I will bear.

O Rejoice in the LORD
He makes no mistake,
He knoweth the end of each path that I take,
For when I am tried
And purified,
I shall come forth as gold.​
 
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BaptistBibleBeliever said:
Even if a man does do the works that the Lord has 'reserved for them' -- they will not see God -- unless their performance of those things met His perfect standard. Anything less is eternal destruction from the presence of the Lord in the Lake of Fire.

It isn't about how bad a man is . . . it's about not being as good as he required to be.
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So let me see if I can interpret your words correctly. If a man believes in Jesus and has received the baptism of the Holy Spirit, and has a new person in Christ, and is now engaged in the work of the Lord, directed by the Holy Spirit and is doing those good works that the Lord has preserved for them or saved them unto, he will still not see God, unless he does those works that meet the Lord's perfect standard. If they do not reach that perfect standard, the Lord throws him into the lake of fire and brimstone for all eternity? Have I interpreted that correctly?
 
Jewel5712

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@benhur ..brass tacs here..salvation and being a christian is all about our personal relationship with Jesus Christ..period.
 
calibob

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benhur said:
You are correct. "Every branch in me" = saved people in Jesus.

Now let's look at the next part of the verse, it is: "that beareth not fruit". What is Jesus referring to when he says
"that beareth not fruit"? I will answer this for you because it is fairly straight forward. Jesus is referring to a branch that produces no fruit.

So putting this together with the first part, what do we have. "Every branch IN ME, that beareth not fruit". Jesus is referring to saved people that beareth no fruit. Am I OK with our interpretation so far?
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Did you go and read 1st Corinthians 13 yet today?
 
dcontroversal

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TLIG said:
it is written...
And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you:
depart from me, ye that work iniquity.
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You must me dense.....what part of "I never knew you" escapes your ability to understand the fact that they were NEVER SAVED and then lost it, even though they believed their WORKS earned their right to enter!!!!
 
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benhur said:
So let me see if I can interpret your words correctly. If a man believes in Jesus and has received the baptism of the Holy Spirit, and has a new person in Christ, and is now engaged in the work of the Lord, directed by the Holy Spirit and is doing those good works that the Lord has preserved for them or saved them unto, he will still not see God, unless he does those works that meet the Lord's perfect standard. If they do not reach that perfect standard, the Lord throws him into the lake of fire and brimstone for all eternity? Have I interpreted that correctly?
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You can do RELIGIOUS WORKS but not have a personal relationship with Jesus...its common..a lot of catholics practice that...
 
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dcontroversal said:
You must me dense.....what part of "I never knew you" escapes your ability to understand the fact that they were NEVER SAVED and then lost it, even though they believed their WORKS earned their right to enter!!!!
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it is written...
And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you:
depart from me, ye that work iniquity.
 
BaptistBibleBeliever

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benhur said:
So let me see if I can interpret your words correctly. If a man believes in Jesus and has received the baptism of the Holy Spirit, and has a new person in Christ, and is now engaged in the work of the Lord, directed by the Holy Spirit and is doing those good works that the Lord has preserved for them or saved them unto, he will still not see God, unless he does those works that meet the Lord's perfect standard. If they do not reach that perfect standard, the Lord throws him into the lake of fire and brimstone for all eternity? Have I interpreted that correctly?
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You really need to work on your reading comprehension. Jesus Christ has already done all those requirements perfectly - I don't have to lift a finger for the rest of my life for the Lord and I'm still heaven-bound.

So, uh, no . . . you have not interpreted that correctly.

As to the thing about not working at all, I have Abraham on my side . . .

"Now to him that worketh is the reward not reckoned of grace, but of debt. But to him that worketh not, but believeth on him that justifieth the ungodly, his faith is counted for righteousness" (Romans 4:4-5).
 
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