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Even adults..before being saved have a sinful nature but dont always know GODS STANDARDS of whats wrong n right..they go by societys standards..maybe parents n what theyve been taught as a kid etc but we all know Gods starndards are different..so..my question is..is an unsaved person held accountable by Gods standards of sin? In the unsaved persons ignorance? And if you say YES..whats the purpose of salvation? To condemn the ignorant sinner? Goes back to age of spiritual accountability..
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"Because that which may be known of God is manifest in them; for God hath shewed it unto them. For the invisible things of him from the creation of the world are clearly seen, being understood by the things that are made, even his eternal power and Godhead; so that they are without excuse: Because that, when they knew God, they glorified him not as God, neither were thankful; but became vain in their imaginations, and their foolish heart was darkened" (Romans 1:19-21).
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Your choice, and as I have said, was raised in an imminent return church and defended it dogmatically until I had to study through the bible 2 times a year in seminary....the bible does not support it...the bible does support a post tribulation pre-wrath ingathering at the 7th trump of Revelation.....I know we agree on much bro....however, no one will ever change my mind. I have spent the better part of the last 32 years pouring over this topic and the imminent return is not found in scripture. Does not change my fellowship with you nor my fondness for your stance on many things 
But as I have also said. It is not salvic. And not worth arguing over, I just want peole to see both sides thats all. Love ya bro.
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The enlish language is one of the worst languages known to makind. God chose greek for a reason to have his word written.
Agape and phileo have two different meanings. Jesus was basically telling peter Even if you can not tell me you agape me, I still want you to feed my people..
The english use of the word love fails to make that impression, it actually fails to make the point jesus was going to make.
He is right though, English is black and white. You may be able to see the words. But you miss all the colors and the deeper meaning of the words.
Agape and phileo have two different meanings. Jesus was basically telling peter Even if you can not tell me you agape me, I still want you to feed my people..
The english use of the word love fails to make that impression, it actually fails to make the point jesus was going to make.
He is right though, English is black and white. You may be able to see the words. But you miss all the colors and the deeper meaning of the words.
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Whats a 3 year old have to do with an adult. A 3 year old is still learning right from wrong, just as a baby christian is.
But sin is still sin. The penalty of sin is death, that does not change because your three years old. Thats why the cross covers all sin. If it did not. We are doomed.
But sin is still sin. The penalty of sin is death, that does not change because your three years old. Thats why the cross covers all sin. If it did not. We are doomed.
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THAT was my point..WHEN YOU KNOW youre accountable..not a sin is a sinis a sin...
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The English language is a mess. True dat! it's an illegitimate mixture of other languages, slang and colloquialisms and nonsense that always changes and by the time you reach retirement age you'll see that words change meanings more often than America changes presidents. very frustrating.
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