Sons of God in Genesis 6 and Job
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Sure they appeared as men, but that was not necessarily their usual form. The Lord was with them and he appeared as a man also. I am sure He was a lot more glorious than He appeared there.
John 17:5 "And now, O Father, glorify thou me with thine own self with the glory which I had with thee before the world was."
John 17:5 "And now, O Father, glorify thou me with thine own self with the glory which I had with thee before the world was."
you see things in light of the idioms used in 2018 in the U.S. and you see things as you were taught in English used in the u.s.,,,
To those who used Hebrew idioms LXX on back(Jubilees,Hanoch,Sept. ect.) saw fallen angels and giants. you don't agree it seems with what they saw and so seek to see what you choose to believe. You see six 24 hour days and the Shabbat being recited in Genesis but i see seven yowm being foretold about the beginning to it's end i.e. it's morning and evening(Daniel 8:26)as it is the gennerations of the heavens and the earth(Genesis 2:4). and then the beginning of the next book (Genesis 5:1)...
It would seem the angels as spirit being which were not formed from the dust as beast of the field, like mankind, were created between day one and day three.
Ezekiel 28:15 King James Version (KJV)Thou wast perfect in thy ways from the day that thou wast created, till iniquity was found in thee.
I think when God saw iniquity in the heart of the father of lies as it would seem on the third day the glory of God departed , corruption began .
Nothing can happen if it does not begin it as God's law. Violate the Spirit of God then comes the consequences. In that way God created a evil by removing His glory the whole creation fell. Death began it course .
Isaiah 45:7 I form the light, and create darkness: I make peace, and create evil: I the Lord do all these things.
The earth was already corrupted by reason of finding a proud heart in Genesis 6 . The father of lies said, as it would seem before the fourth day in his heart..... ( I will ascend above the heights of the clouds; I will be like the most High.) Isaiah 14:14
Genesis 6:11-13 King James Version (KJV) The earth also was corrupt before God, and the earth was filled with violence.And God looked upon the earth, and, behold, it was corrupt; for all flesh had corrupted his way upon the earth. And God said unto Noah, The end of all flesh is come before me; for the earth is filled with violence through them; and, behold, I will destroy them with the earth.
What is the division between Genesis 5:1 or Genesis 2:4?
On the surface it does appear that God is a man as us .
My two cents...
The supernatural (without nature as a beginning) Spirit as God , as the anointing Spirit of Christ cannot die, as the Son of God speaks of the eternal .
The Son of man which speaks to the temporal likened as sinful flesh was used for a one time promised demonstration, according to the demonstration of the work of the Spirit not seen poring out his unseen Spirit on the Elect. In respect with His flesh in which he declared it cannot profit He condemned sin in the flesh.
Before he left he declared that even though some did know him according to a outward appearance. When he disappeared out of sight the same way he came (no form) for then on, forever more we no longer look to God as if he was a man (a created being) as we are informed in2 Corinthians 5:16
Wherefore henceforth know we no man after the flesh: yea, though we have known Christ after the flesh, yet now henceforth know we him no more.2 Corinthians 5:16
Romans 8:3For what the law could not do, in that it was weak through the flesh, God sending his own Son in the likeness of sinful flesh, and for sin, condemned sin in the flesh:
The Son of man, Jesus refused to be called "good master" as a fleshly infallible teacher, mediator between God,not seen, and man seen or what he calls a daysman….. or Catholicism has named a Pope, Holy Father Holy See etc.
The Son of man when called "good master" gave glory to our unseen God by declaring.... only God (not seen) is good..... or one is good in heaven... call no man good master as teacher on earth (daysman) .Just as in the same way we are to call no man father of earth for one is the Father of spirits in heaven...... we are all sisters and brothers
8 But be not ye called Rabbi: for one is your Master, even Christ; and all ye are brethren.
9 And call no man your father upon the earth: for one is your Father, which is in heaven.
10 Neither be ye called masters: for one is your Master, even Christ.
We walk by faith the eternal and not by sight the temporal as the things of this world or we do not wrestle against flesh and blood as if the kingdom of God was of their world
In that way know man can serve two masters...... the flesh, the temporal, and the Spirit of Christ the eternal which dwells in the believer
I am afraid of all my sorrows, I know that thou wilt not hold me innocent.If I be wicked, why then labour I in vain? If I wash myself with snow water, and make my hands never so clean;Yet shalt thou plunge me in the ditch, and mine own clothes shall abhor me. For he is "not" a man, as I am, that I should answer him, and we should come together in judgment. Neither is there any daysman betwixt us, that might lay his hand upon us both.(God and man) Job 9:28-33
My two cents...
The supernatural (without nature as a beginning) Spirit as God , as the anointing Spirit of Christ cannot die, as the Son of God speaks of the eternal .
The Son of man which speaks to the temporal likened as sinful flesh was used for a one time promised demonstration, according to the demonstration of the work of the Spirit not seen poring out his unseen Spirit on the Elect. In respect with His flesh in which he declared it cannot profit He condemned sin in the flesh.
Before he left he declared that even though some did know him according to a outward appearance. When he disappeared out of sight the same way he came (no form) for then on, forever more we no longer look to God as if he was a man (a created being) as we are informed in2 Corinthians 5:16
Wherefore henceforth know we no man after the flesh: yea, though we have known Christ after the flesh, yet now henceforth know we him no more.2 Corinthians 5:16
Romans 8:3For what the law could not do, in that it was weak through the flesh, God sending his own Son in the likeness of sinful flesh, and for sin, condemned sin in the flesh:
The Son of man, Jesus refused to be called "good master" as a fleshly infallible teacher, mediator between God,not seen, and man seen or what he calls a daysman….. or Catholicism has named a Pope, Holy Father Holy See etc.
The Son of man when called "good master" gave glory to our unseen God by declaring.... only God (not seen) is good..... or one is good in heaven... call no man good master as teacher on earth (daysman) .Just as in the same way we are to call no man father of earth for one is the Father of spirits in heaven...... we are all sisters and brothers
8 But be not ye called Rabbi: for one is your Master, even Christ; and all ye are brethren.
9 And call no man your father upon the earth: for one is your Father, which is in heaven.
10 Neither be ye called masters: for one is your Master, even Christ.
We walk by faith the eternal and not by sight the temporal as the things of this world or we do not wrestle against flesh and blood as if the kingdom of God was of their world
In that way know man can serve two masters...... the flesh, the temporal, and the Spirit of Christ the eternal which dwells in the believer
I am afraid of all my sorrows, I know that thou wilt not hold me innocent.If I be wicked, why then labour I in vain? If I wash myself with snow water, and make my hands never so clean;Yet shalt thou plunge me in the ditch, and mine own clothes shall abhor me. For he is "not" a man, as I am, that I should answer him, and we should come together in judgment. Neither is there any daysman betwixt us, that might lay his hand upon us both.(God and man) Job 9:28-33
When seeking the approval of God not seen to rightly divide His word. As always first things first.
2 Corinthians 4:18 While we look not at the things which are seen, but at the things which are not seen: for the things which are seen are temporal; but the things which are not seen are eternal.
And I will put enmity between thee and the woman, and between thy seed and her seed; it shall bruise thy head, and thou shalt bruise his heel. Genesis 3:15
The reference is to the spiritual seed Christ not seen (the eternal)as that by which all new creatures are born again from above .
1 Peter 1:23 Being born again, not of corruptible seed, but of incorruptible, by the word of God, which liveth and abideth for ever
Jesus who represents our husband as the one seed of His bride, is Christ the anointing Holy Spirit of God. This is not seeds as that seen the temporal the many as those under the influence of the father of lies, the god of this world.
Again not many seeds of Abraham after his flesh .But one the unseen spiritual seed one
Galatians 3:16 Now to Abraham and his seed were the promises made. He saith not, And to "seeds, as of many"; but as of one, And to thy seed, which is Christ
2 Corinthians 5:7 (For we walk by faith, not by sight
Faith eternal, sight temporal .
The end result.....
Rejoice not thou, whole Palestina, because the rod of him that smote thee is broken: for out of the serpent's root shall come forth a cockatrice, and his fruit shall be a fiery flying serpent.
And I agree.....it is hilarious that Genesis 3:15 is partially denied.....of course we know that the seed of the woman is literal and equates to JESUS, but then they deny that the seed of the serpent is literal.......hilariously ignorant.......
Rejoice not thou, whole Palestina, because the rod of him that smote thee is broken: for out of the serpent's root shall come forth a cockatrice, and his fruit shall be a fiery flying serpent.
And I agree.....it is hilarious that Genesis 3:15 is partially denied.....of course we know that the seed of the woman is literal and equates to JESUS, but then they deny that the seed of the serpent is literal.......hilariously ignorant.......
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In Job 1:12 https://biblehub.com/interlinear/job/1-12.htm stongs #6440 (presence) Satan leaves from Gods presence...
In Genesis 3:8 https://biblehub.com/interlinear/genesis/3.htm stongs #6440 they hide from Gods presence,,,
Adam was made and then put in Eden,Gan,paradise(but had no help meet),,,the serpent was already there. Then(while in the garden) Eve was taken out of the man,then the fall,then they were driven out of the garden and into the earth but the serpent,Satan in job 1&2 still could be in the presence of God(Job 1:12.#6440)...
The timing of Satan's being cast out is lost without seeing this i think...
In Genesis 3:8 https://biblehub.com/interlinear/genesis/3.htm stongs #6440 they hide from Gods presence,,,
Adam was made and then put in Eden,Gan,paradise(but had no help meet),,,the serpent was already there. Then(while in the garden) Eve was taken out of the man,then the fall,then they were driven out of the garden and into the earth but the serpent,Satan in job 1&2 still could be in the presence of God(Job 1:12.#6440)...
The timing of Satan's being cast out is lost without seeing this i think...
I think of the glory of God (the face of God) which is today hidden from mankind which will be restored as the end of time, the last day. The church as the bride of Christ is used as a representative glory until then.
I would offer the creation of mankind (male and female) is one creation occurring in the twinkling of the eye. Satan was there in what it would seem was a corrupted world day 4. The glory of God had left when God recognized a proud heart in his highest angel.
Time began to be measured, as God put two lights, the Sun and the moon, the temporal time keepers that would be used until the new heaven and earth appeared. And restored as in the first three day.Again the glory of God will light it and the Lamb is the reflected light thereof.
And I saw no temple therein: for the Lord God Almighty and the Lamb are the temple of it. And the city had no need of the sun, neither of the moon, to shine in it: for the glory of God did lighten it, and the Lamb is the light thereof. And the nations of them which are saved shall walk in the light of it: and the kings of the earth do bring their glory and honour into it. And the gates of it shall not be shut at all by day: for there shall be no night there.Revelation21:22-25
This shows the casting out of the whole first creation from temporal place called the garden of Eden .The glory of God which I think was represented the garden of Eden. A perfect place set aside in a already perfect uncorrupted creation had departed.
It would seem that because mankind was made in the image and likeness of God. Adam and Eve as one creation where not corrupted until they bought the lie. It was then they knew they were naked. It would seem the glory of God left them . Possibly like the glory that Moses took on being in the presence of God who wrote the ten commandments with his own finger(will) .
Moses a had to put on a veil so that men could not see the face of God as the glory of God and die a picture of God's mercy .
When Adam and Eve sinned as one creation it appears that glory as the righteousness of God had departed exposing their nakedness.
Satan falling later was a result of Christ's finished work , the veil is rent, then Satan was bound from entering the presence of God with the other angel that left not their first place of habitation as those led by the Spirit of Christ .They were bound as in everlasting chains from ever entering that place as the presence or glory of God which is also called the "Bosom of Abraham"
I would offer the creation of mankind (male and female) is one creation occurring in the twinkling of the eye. Satan was there in what it would seem was a corrupted world day 4. The glory of God had left when God recognized a proud heart in his highest angel.
Time began to be measured, as God put two lights, the Sun and the moon, the temporal time keepers that would be used until the new heaven and earth appeared. And restored as in the first three day.Again the glory of God will light it and the Lamb is the reflected light thereof.
And I saw no temple therein: for the Lord God Almighty and the Lamb are the temple of it. And the city had no need of the sun, neither of the moon, to shine in it: for the glory of God did lighten it, and the Lamb is the light thereof. And the nations of them which are saved shall walk in the light of it: and the kings of the earth do bring their glory and honour into it. And the gates of it shall not be shut at all by day: for there shall be no night there.Revelation21:22-25
This shows the casting out of the whole first creation from temporal place called the garden of Eden .The glory of God which I think was represented the garden of Eden. A perfect place set aside in a already perfect uncorrupted creation had departed.
It would seem that because mankind was made in the image and likeness of God. Adam and Eve as one creation where not corrupted until they bought the lie. It was then they knew they were naked. It would seem the glory of God left them . Possibly like the glory that Moses took on being in the presence of God who wrote the ten commandments with his own finger(will) .
Moses a had to put on a veil so that men could not see the face of God as the glory of God and die a picture of God's mercy .
When Adam and Eve sinned as one creation it appears that glory as the righteousness of God had departed exposing their nakedness.
Satan falling later was a result of Christ's finished work , the veil is rent, then Satan was bound from entering the presence of God with the other angel that left not their first place of habitation as those led by the Spirit of Christ .They were bound as in everlasting chains from ever entering that place as the presence or glory of God which is also called the "Bosom of Abraham"