Not By Works

For Christ is the end of the law for righteousness to every one that believeth. (Rom 10:4 KJV)

You are a most contentious person with reason no doubt, was your question a test?
My answer is no.

Isaiah40:8
The grass withers and the flowers fall, but the word of our God endures forever."

15 Having abolished in his flesh the enmity, even the law of commandments contained in ordinances; for to make in himself of twain one new man, so making peace;

I'm not trying to be contentious. I have seen many of your posts and wonder sometimes where the teaching comes from. No offence, really. I could have chosen softer words in my inquiry. My sincere apologies.

Please indulge me for a second as I believe these issues are very important.

So if God's Word Last forever, and I certainly agree with you and believe that it does. What do you preach is the "enmity" that Jesus abolished? Some translations imply that Jesus abolished "the Law with it's commands and regulations". Yet, we have just agreed with the Christ that God's Words last forever.

So one of these scriptures has to be miss understood. The Christ can't abolish that which He has already declared shall last forever.

Some say He abolished His Fathers Holy Sabbaths, as it was only for the Jews. But that would mean Jesus spent His life following worthless Jewish Traditions. Isn't that what He rebuked the Pharisees for? Not to mention that He, as the Word of God, said:

IS. 56:
3 Neither let the son of the stranger, (Gentile) that hath joined himself to the LORD, speak, saying, The LORD hath utterly separated me from his people: neither let the eunuch say, Behold, I am a dry tree.
4 For thus saith the LORD unto the eunuchs that keep my sabbaths, and choose the things that please me, and take hold of my covenant;
5 Even unto them will I give in mine house and within my walls a place and a name better than of sons and of daughters: I will give them an everlasting name, that shall not be cut off.

So this can't really be enmity towards us or God or Jews or Gentiles can it?

Anyway, I believe I understand this Eph.2 Scripture, and my understanding of it agree with all the Word's of God which last forever.

I was just curious as it seemed as if you implied, by the translation you used, that Jesus abolished all the Instructions which proceeded out of the Mouth of God.

If I misunderstood your implication, please forgive me.

I'm sorry you feel this way. I believe the Word's of the God of the Bible are truth above that of religious man. I thought maybe you would feel the same way.

I stand corrected.

We are forgetting there are two aspects to the law. There is the Old Testament Mosaic Law that contains all the rules and regulations that are gone and ended, but parallel to that and flowing all the way through the Bible is the law of love that encompasses our moral and spiritual values. It is the law of love that is for all time. This law of love that Jesus taught so eloquently in word and deed is unending and in Matt 5:17 Jesus is speaking about the everlasting moral and spiritual truths and principles that we must all abide by for all time.

I did not mean to imply that Jesus abolished all of God's instruction only that we now live our Christian life by grace through faith in the finished work of Jesus. We are justified before God through faith in Christ.

Oh boy, I thought I could catch a reprieve in here.....maybe not the?

The definition of "SIN" was not re-defined as you imply. The preaching that it was is a great deception.

Enmity

A state or feeling of active opposition or hostility.

Genesis 3:14-15
14 So the Lord God said to the serpent:
“Because you have done this,
You are cursed more than all cattle,
And more than every beast of the field;
On your belly you shall go,
And you shall eat dust
All the days of your life.
15 And I will put enmity
Between you and the woman,
And between your seed and her Seed;
He shall bruise your head,
And you shall bruise His heel.”

Romans 5:1
1 Therefore, having been justified by faith, we have peace with God through our Lord Jesus Christ,

We have peace

5:1 Peace here is not a subjective feeling of peace. Rather, this peace is the state of being at peace instead of at war. The hostility between God and the believer has ceased. The believer has been reconciled to God.
5:2 To have access means “to approach,” as if by introduction into a king’s throne room. Believers have been granted admission to stand before God. Even though they were once rebels, they do not have to face His judgment. Instead they approach His throne in the realm of grace, or in the King’s favor. Rejoice means “to boast” and hope means “expectation.” Believers boast in the sure expectation of the glory of God. They are confident, for God Himself has placed the Holy Spirit in their hearts (v. 5).

We have peace with God (no enmity) as a result of our faith in Jesus which means we are justified by this faith.

Jesus bruised his head and as a result

Romans 5:2
2 through whom also we have access by faith into this grace in which we stand, and rejoice in hope of the glory of God.

Briefly sin is rebellion against God and no-one is trying to re-define it.

This is very good Billy.

I would humbly add another relevant scripture.

Rom. 8:
7 Because the carnal mind is enmity against God: for it is not subject to the law of God, neither indeed can be.
8 So then they that are in the flesh cannot please God.

This is the enmity Jesus abolished. When a man is truly repentant, truly "SEEKING" the Messiah with all their heart and which all their might, He manifest Himself to him. He takes down that barrier. Now we are "free" from that enmity to serve Him in Holiness.

Eph. 4:
23 And be renewed in the spirit of your mind;
24 And that ye put on the new man, which after God is created in righteousness and true holiness.
25 Wherefore putting away lying, speak every man truth with his neighbour: for we are members one of another.

John 14:21 He that hath my commandments, and keepeth them, he it is that loveth me: and he that loveth me shall be loved of my Father, and I will love him, and will manifest myself to him

This is how we know for sure if we are on the right track.

1 John 2:3 And hereby we do know that we know him, if we keep his commandments. (This can only be done if He takes down the barrier, removes the enmity )

Rom. 6:
20 For when ye were the servants of sin, ye were free from righteousness.
21 What fruit had ye then in those things whereof ye are now ashamed? for the end of those things is death.

22 But now being made free from sin, and become servants to God, ye have your fruit unto holiness, and the end everlasting life.

Now all that is left is to find out what God considers Holy, what God considers Righteousness, and be "doers" of these things.

Rom. 12:
1 I beseech you therefore, brethren, by the mercies of God, that ye present your bodies a living sacrifice, holy, acceptable unto God, which is your reasonable service.
2 And be not conformed to this world: but be ye transformed by the renewing of your mind, that ye may prove what is that good, and acceptable, and perfect, will of God.


Good post Billy

I understand that He cleansed me of my past sins, through my Faith in Him. I get that.

Rom. 3:
23 For all have sinned, and come short of the glory of God;
24 Being justified freely by his grace through the redemption that is in Christ Jesus:
25 Whom God hath set forth to be a propitiation through faith in his blood, to declare his righteousness for the remission of sins that are past, through the forbearance of God;

Rom. 6:
15 What then? shall we sin, because we are not under the law, (dead in our sins) but under grace? (Alive) God forbid.
16 Know ye not, that to whom ye yield yourselves servants to obey, his servants ye are to whom ye obey; whether of sin unto death, or of obedience unto righteousness?
17 But God be thanked, that ye were the servants of sin, but ye have obeyed from the heart that form of doctrine which was delivered you.
18 Being then made free from sin, ye became the servants of righteousness. (God's Righteousness I assume, since mine is a filthy rag)

I understand all this.

I am asking I guess, why you posed that scripture, and what you believe Jesus abolished that was at "enmity" with us.?

Romans 5:3-9
3 And not only that, but we also glory in tribulations, knowing that tribulation produces perseverance; 4 and perseverance, character; and character, hope. 5 Now hope does not disappoint, because the love of God has been poured out in our hearts by the Holy Spirit who was given to us.
Christ in Our Place
6 For when we were still without strength, in due time Christ died for the ungodly. 7 For scarcely for a righteous man will one die; yet perhaps for a good man someone would even dare to die. 8 But God demonstrates His own love toward us, in that while we were still sinners, Christ died for us. 9 Much more then, having now been justified by His blood, we shall be saved from wrath through Him.

Matt. 4:4 But he answered and said, It is written, Man shall not live by bread alone, but by every word that proceedeth out of the mouth of God.

Why don't you think for just a second and consider "WHO" the "they" were Cee?

Matt. 15:
7 Ye hypocrites, well did Esaias prophesy of you, saying,
8 This people draweth nigh unto me with their mouth, and honoureth me with their lips; but their heart is far from me.
9 But in vain they do worship me, teaching for doctrines the commandments of men.

Matt. 23:4 For they ( The Mainstream Preachers of Christ's time, not God) bind heavy burdens and grievous to be borne, and lay them on men's shoulders; but they themselves will not move them with one of their fingers.

Acts 7:
51 Ye stiffnecked and uncircumcised in heart and ears, ye do always resist the Holy Ghost: as your fathers did, so do ye.
52 Which of the prophets have not your fathers persecuted? and they have slain them which shewed before of the coming of the Just One; of whom ye have been now the betrayers and murderers:
53 Who have received the law by the disposition of angels, and have not kept it.

Rom. 1:
21 Because that, when they knew God, they glorified him not as God, neither were thankful; but became vain in their imaginations, and their foolish heart was darkened.
22 Professing themselves to be wise, they became fools,

John 8:
43 Why do ye not understand my speech? even because ye cannot hear my word.
44 Ye are of your father the devil, and the lusts of your father ye will do. He was a murderer from the beginning, and abode not in the truth, because there is no truth in him. When he speaketh a lie, he speaketh of his own: for he is a liar, and the father of it


2 Thess. 2:
9 Even him, whose coming is after the working of Satan with all power and signs and lying wonders,
10 And with all deceivableness of unrighteousness in them that perish; because they received not the love of the truth, that they might be saved.
11 And for this cause God shall send them strong delusion, that they should believe a lie:
12 That they all might be damned who believed not the truth, but had pleasure in unrighteousness.

Not all, who called themselves the Children of God, rejected God's Word's. Zechariahs, Anna, the Wise Men, Simion, there were more. These didn't reject God's instructions and create their own. These didn't "Transgress the Commandments of God" by their own religious Traditions. These didn't "teach for Doctrines the Commandments of Men".

And as Jesus promised in John 14. He manifest Himself to them just like He did to Abraham and Noah, Elijah and Every other example of Faith in the entire Bible.

How is this not true.

I'm glad you asked how is this not true.

Because you're painting a picture that just isn't true.

They didn't know Jesus was God in the flesh. Even His disciples believed it slowly. This idea that everyone was expecting God to show up in human form is not the case. The wise man followed a star and celebrated Him as the Messiah. But far, far more people didn't have a clue.

They celebrated Him saying, Hosanna when He rode in on a young colt. They expected Him to take vengeance on their enemies and set himself up as the King. But when He didn't - THEY sentenced Him to die. THEY chose Barabbas not Jesus. THEY had no clue at all He was going to die. Even His disciples ran away. He surprised everyone - even the spiritual principalities.

I'm sorry you feel this way. I believe the Word's of the God of the Bible are truth above that of religious man. I thought maybe you would feel the same way.

I stand corrected.

Praise God. We need look no further than the Christ and His instruction in Righteousness. Religious man with their doctrines and traditions will come and go. But God's Word Lasts forever.

Matt. 5:17 Think not that I am come to destroy the law, or the prophets: I am not come to destroy, but to fulfil.
18 For verily I say unto you, Till heaven and earth pass, one jot or one tittle shall in no wise pass from the law, till all be fulfilled.