Not By Works

Here is why i cant believe you and think you are just here to argue

You admit you could live perfect the rest of uour life and still be guilty

Yet your saying you can lose salvation, how can you lose salvation if you can NEVER earn your salvation

What commandments and laws was Abraham meant to keep?

Ok now you confused me.

You have already sinned, therefore guilty even if you love the rest of your life in complete obedience.

Then you are truly cursed if you reject the only blood that can remove your guilt.
So I assume the only blood that can remove your guilt is that of Jesus.

Then you question the religion you reject because the verse you quote our in Exodus is not part of the religion you believe.

Mercy to thousands that love him and keep his commandments.

Firstly you assume that those who disagree with you do not love Jesus, at the very least that is what you come across as saying.
That's a big call to make or to insinuate.

Secondly

You quote

Exodus 20:6
6 but showing mercy to thousands, to those who love Me and keep My commandments.

Then we find

Exodus 20:22

The Law of the Altar
22 Then the Lord said to Moses, “Thus you shall say to the children of Israel: ‘You have seen that I have talked with you from heaven.

Exodus 21:12

The Law Concerning Violence
12 “He who strikes a man so that he dies shall surely be put to death.

A command of God

Exodus 21:15
15 “And he who strikes his father or his mother shall surely be put to death.

A command of God

Exodus 35:2
2 Work shall be done for six days, but the seventh day shall be a holy day for you, a Sabbath of rest to the Lord. Whoever does any work on it shall be put to death.

A command of God.

Do you endorse the above?

Who is Screaming ? ? ?

G...,
That last paragraph makes no sense at all;
Don't you act in a way that Christ will approve?
..."Words their faith in Christ"...?

Titus 3:5 He saved us not by works of righteousness which we had done, but according to His mercy, by the washing of regeneration, and by the renewing of the Holy Ghost,


THE RIHTEOUSNEßS OF THE JEWS WAS THROUGH THE LAW.


Deuteronomy 6:24-25 The Lord commanded us to obey all these decrees and to fear the Lord our God, so that we might always prosper and be kept alive, as is the case today. And if we are careful to obey all this law before the Lord our God, as he has commanded us, THAT WILL BE OUR RIGHTEOUSNESS.”


THE RIGHTEOUSNESS OF CHRISTIANS (NEW CREATION/MAN) IS THROUGH FAITH.


Romans 9:30-32 What then shall we say? That the Gentiles, who did not pursue righteousness, have obtained it, A RIGHTEOUSNESS THAT IS BY FAITH; but ISRAEL, who pursued a law of righteousness, has not attained it. Why not? Because they pursued it NOT BY FAITH but as if it were by works. THEY stumbled over the “stumbling stone.”


“NOT BY WORKS OF RIGHTEOUSNESS WHICH WE HAD DONE" REFERS TO THE RIGHTEOUSNESS OF THE JEWS WHICH WAS THROUGH THE LAW. (titus 3:5, eph 2:8-9)


PAUL’S QUESTION IS:


Romans 3:31 Do we, then, NULLIFY the law by this faith? Not at all! Rather, we uphold the law.


HE ALSO SAID,


Romans 3:3-4 What if some did not have faith? Will their lack of faith NULLIFY God’s faithfulness? Not at all! Let God be true, and every man a liar. As it is written: “So that you may be proved right when you speak and prevail when you judge.”


GOD PUTS AND WRITES THE LAW IN OUR HEARTS AND MINDS.


Hebrews 8:10 This is the covenant I will make with the house of Israel after that time, declares the Lord. I will put my laws in their minds and write them on their hearts. I will be their God, and they will be my people.


Hebrews 10:16 “This is the covenant I will make with them after that time, says the Lord. I will put my laws in their hearts, and I will write them on their minds.”


...NOT JUST TO THE JEWS WHO WERE CIRCUMCISED IN THE FLESH BUT ALSO TO THOSE WHO WERE CIRCUMCISED IN THE HEART.


Romans 2:28-29 A man is not a Jew if he is only one outwardly, nor is circumcision merely outward and physical. No, a man is a Jew if he is one inwardly; and circumcision is CIRCUMCISION OF THE HEART, by the Spirit, not by the written code. Such a man’s praise is not from men, but from God.


AND CHRISTIANS ARE ABLE TO FULFILL AND UPHOLD THE LAW IN THEIR HEARTS AND MINDS BECAUSE OF THE LOVE THAT WAS POURED INTO THEIR HEARTS.


Romans 5:5 And hope does not disappoint us, because GOD HAS POURED OUT HIS LOVE INTO OUR HEARTS by the Holy Spirit, whom he has given us.


AND THEREFORE, “LOVE IS THE FULFILLMENT OF THE LAW.”(romans 13:10)


1 John 3:16 This is how we know what love is: Jesus Christ laid down his life for us. And we ought to lay down our lives for our brothers.


1 John 5:2-3 This is how we know that we love the children of God: by loving God and carrying out his commands. This is love for God: to obey his commands. And his commands are not burdensome,


2 John 1:6 AND THIS IS LOVE; THAT WE WALK IN OBEDIENCE TO HIS COMMANDS. As you have heard from the beginning, his command is that you WALK IN LOVE.


Romans 10:9-10 That if you confess with your mouth, “Jesus is Lord,” and believe in your heart that God raised him from the dead, you will be saved. For it is with your HEART that you BELIEVE and are JUSTIFIED, and it is with your MOUTH that you CONFESS and are SAVED.


1 John 3:18 Dear children, let us not love with words or tongue but WITH ACTIONS AND IN TRUTH.


Romans 8:4 in order that the righteous requirements of the law might be FULLY MET IN US, who do not live according to the sinful nature but according to the Spirit.


John 14:15 “IF YOU LOVE ME, YOU WILL OBEY WHAT I COMMAND.”


Luke 6:46 “Why do you call me, ‘Lord, Lord,’ and do not do what I say?


26For as the body without the spirit is dead, so FAITH WITHOUT WORKS IS DEAD also.


17 But, beloved, remember ye the words which were spoken before of the apostles of our Lord Jesus Christ; 18how that they told you THERE SHOULD BE MOCKERS IN THE LAST TIME, who should walk after their own ungodly lusts. 19These be they who separate themselves, sensual, HAVING NOT THE SPIRIT.

Gen. 26:
4 And I will make thy seed to multiply as the stars of heaven, and will give unto thy seed all these countries; and in thy seed shall all the nations of the earth be blessed;
5 Because that Abraham obeyed my voice, and kept my charge, my commandments, my statutes, and my laws.


So your preaching that Abraham was not given God's Laws is in direct opposition of the Word's of the Word which became Flesh.

You also preach that the Pharisees devoted their lives to teaching God's Laws. Yet, again, this preaching goes against the very Word's of the Messiah.

Matt. 15:
7 Ye hypocrites, well did Esaias prophesy of you, saying,
8 This people draweth nigh unto me with their mouth, and honoureth me with their lips; but their heart is far from me.

9 But in vain they do worship me, teaching for doctrines the commandments of men. (Not God as you Preach)

Will you call Abraham self righteous? Noah, Zechariahs? How about our Lord Jesus? Was He also following worthless Jewish traditions to "Earn" His Reward?

The Mainstream Preachers of Christ's time were shown scriptures from their own Bible that condemned their preaching as well. Were they corrected, or did they just work to discredit those who would show them?

THANK YOU FOR HOPING.

The Way of the Cross
34 Then he called the crowd to him along with his disciples and said: “Whoever wants to be my disciple must deny themselves and take up their cross and follow me. 35 For whoever wants to save their life will lose it, but whoever loses their life for me and for the gospel will save it. 36 What good is it for someone to gain the whole world, yet forfeit their soul? 37 Or what can anyone give in exchange for their soul? 38 If anyone is ashamed of me and my words in this adulterous and sinful generation, the Son of Man will be ashamed of them when he comes in his Father’s glory with the holy angels.”

7 During the days of Jesus’ life on earth, he offered up prayers and petitions with fervent cries and tears to the one who could save him from death, and he was heard because of his reverent submission. 8 Son though he was, he learned obedience from what he suffered9 and, once made perfect, he became the source of eternal salvation FOR ALL WHO OBEY HIM 10 and was designated by God to be high priest in the order of Melchizedek.

3 What if some were unfaithful? Will their unfaithfulness nullify God’s faithfulness?4 Not at all! Let God be true, and every human being a liar. As it is written:

“So that you may be proved right when you speak
and prevail when you judge.”

Abraham wasn’t given the Law, the laws mentioned there are called the Noahide laws. Not the Law you’re espousing.

Here’s a little of that word made flesh for you:

Consider Abraham: "He believed God, and it was credited to him as righteousness." Understand, then, that those who believe are children of Abraham. The Scripture foresaw that God would justify the Gentiles by faith, and announced the gospel in advance to Abraham: "All nations will be blessed through you." So those who have faith are blessed along with Abraham, the man of faith. All who rely on observing the law are under a curse, for it is written: "Cursed is everyone who does not continue to do everything written in the Book of the Law." Clearly no-one is justified before God by the law, because, "The righteous will live by faith." The law is not based on faith; on the contrary, "The man who does these things will live by them." Christ redeemed us from the curse of the law by becoming a curse for us, for it is written: "Cursed is everyone who is hung on a tree." He redeemed us in order that the blessing given to Abraham might come to the Gentiles through Christ Jesus, so that by faith we might receive the promise of the Spirit. (Galatians 3: 6-14, NIV).

isaiah 5
20 Woe to those who call evil good
and good evil,
who put darkness for light
and light for darkness,
who put bitter for sweet
and sweet for bitter.
21 Woe to those who are wise in their own eyes
and clever in their own sight.
22 Woe to those who are heroes at drinking wine
and champions at mixing drinks,
23 who acquit the guilty for a bribe,
but deny justice to the innocent.
24 Therefore, as tongues of fire lick up straw
and as dry grass sinks down in the flames,
so their roots will decay
and their flowers blow away like dust;
for they have rejected the law of the LordAlmighty
and spurned the word of the Holy One of Israel.

romans 3
27 Where, then, is boasting? It is excluded. Because of what law? The law that requires works? No, because of the law that requires faith. 28 For we maintain that a person is justified by faith apart from the works of the law. 29 Or is God the God of Jews only? Is he not the God of Gentiles too? Yes, of Gentiles too, 30 since there is only one God, who will justify the circumcised by faith and the uncircumcised through that same faith. 31 Do we, then, nullify the law by this faith? Not at all! Rather, WE UPHOLD THE LAW.

matthew 19
16 Just then a man came up to Jesus and asked, “Teacher, what good thing must I do to get eternal life?”

17 “Why do you ask me about what is good?”Jesus replied. “There is only One who is good. If you want to enter life, keep the commandments.”

Can you show me the scripture where the Laws God gave to Abraham were "Noahide laws". I don't know everything, but I have never seen this in the Bible.

How do we know Abraham believed God?

Gen. 12:
1 Now the LORD had said unto Abram, Get thee out of thy country, and from thy kindred, and from thy father's house, unto a land that I will shew thee:
2 And I will make of thee a great nation, and I will bless thee, and make thy name great; and thou shalt be a blessing:

3 And I will bless them that bless thee, and curse him that curseth thee: and in thee shall all families of the earth be blessed.

4 So Abram departed, as the LORD had spoken unto him;

In your religion:

Did Abraham have the Levitical Priesthood ceremonial "Works of the Law" for atonement of sins? Or did God "ADD" those "works of the Law" 430 years later?

In your religion,

What if Abram told God: Your instructions are too burdensome and unjust. Surely you don't want me to leave the religion of my father and my family. I will just stay with them and demand the same blessing as those who Love You and Keep Your commandments?

Would God have made His Name great anyway?

And in your religion:

If Eve had said to the serpent, Get away from me serpent. God said we live by EVERY WORD of God, not just those which we can use to feed the desires or our mind.

Would her name have been great like Rehab's?

Are you aware of what the concept of "pure religion" is?

Are you aware that there is a Law of Christ that has replaced the Law of Moses?

When you say the law has passed, you are talking about the Law of Moses. The Law of Christ is new and forever. What is it?

Here’s an interesting thing:

Some of the Pharisees who became Christians started teaching you need to be circumcised and follow the Mosaic Laws.

Josephus the Historian commented about the Pharisees that they were the most accurate interpreters of the Law.

Yet Stephen, full of Holy Spirit, opposes them face to face. And here is what he says. I find it quite revealing:

Acts 7:51“You stiff-necked people, uncircumcised in heart and ears, you always resist the Holy Spirit. As your fathers did, so do you. 52Which of the prophets did your fathers not persecute? And they killed those who announced beforehand the coming of the Righteous One, whom you have now betrayed and murdered, 53you who received the law as delivered by angels and did not keep it.”

The Jews became so outraged by this. They later proceed to stone him for blasphemy.

Notice this two fold accusation against the Jews.

1) You resist the Holy Spirit.
2) You did not keep the Law given to you.

They of course believed they were keeping the Law so they were enraged.

Consider this, those widely considered the greatest interpreters of Law during their day couldn’t keep the Law. And in their effort to try to keep it they resisted the Holy Spirit.

The Lord has made us His temples. He now speaks to us directly. No longer through intermediaries. We are His epistles written not upon stone, but upon our human hearts.

The Scripture I posted explains Abraham wasn’t given the Law you espouse. And if you won’t believe Paul. Why would you believe me?

It’s intereting that you claim I follow a religion. And then comment with faulty logic to disagree with the clear writings of Scripture. Pot meet kettle.

Until you’re willing to address Scriptures that disagree with you. You still have a long way to go.

Read the entire context not just pick and choose. Scripture corrects us we don’t correct it. We must allow the Spirit of God to open our understanding.

Quoting Old Testament Scriptures to try to change clear New Testament instructions is backwards.

There is a veil over the OT that only the Lord can remove.

The very words of God you read everyday came to us by intermediaries. So do you want to throw away the Bible because you are now an oracle of God and have epistles written on your heart? In fact the bible is unnecessary to anyone because all believers receive epistles directly from Christ to be written on their hearts?

AMEN>>>>>>>>>TRUTH ALERT ABOVE ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

AMEN.....I blocked his ignorance along time ago...HE flat denies that Jesus became a curse for us when he hung on the tree and was temporarily forsaken by the Father as found in Galatians and then pushes Catholic dogma like a street organ player with a dancing monkey for coin in Calcutta.....

When it comes to Blue and cats this is how it goes...

How many cats does Blue have?

The answer is ONE MORE.....

No, I don’t throw away Scripture. I want the Spirit of God to speak to me through His written and spoken words. And He doesn’t contradict Himself.