God and Pancreatic Cancer

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newton3003

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Romans 8:28 says, “And we know that for those who love God all things work together for good, for those who are called according to his purpose.” When people we know pass away, and the good ones seem to pass away relatively early in life, we often ask why. We also ask why the ones we abhor seem to live a long time.

Under Romans 8: 28, God puts things into motion for the sake of goodness. To that end, He decides who passes away and who continues to live on earth. But if good people pass away we may also ask why God doesn’t continue to let them live. The best answer is that He has a purpose for each and every one. Individually, Jeremiah 29:11 says “For I know the plans I have for you, declares the LORD, plans for welfare2 and not for evil, to give you a future and a hope.” Romans 8: 28 extends the plans to all of us as a whole. God doesn’t expect us to understand why He does what He does in individual circumstances; Proverbs 3:5 says to trust in God with all your heart and do not lean on your understanding.

It seems that it is in the spirit of Romans 8:28 that God uses disease to make people pass away. Often, people are cured of diseases that cause others to die. For the ones who live, God has not planned for them to pass on. For the ones who pass on, God has determined that they fulfilled their purpose on earth.

Granted that more people have died from particular diseases in the past than at present. Diseases like most cancers, smallpox, pneumonia and others were sure-fire killers then. But as time goes on the survival rate among those diseases have increased dramatically. Well, God did want us to be fruitful, and some of us to that end have become fruitful by successfully treating and curing us of diseases that were surely deadly in the past. Does that mean we are thwarting God’s Plans?

God’s Plans are never thwarted. If He decides for a person to pass on, they will. Which brings us to the subject of pancreatic cancer. 95% of people who get it, pass away from it. It has no early symptoms, and there is no way to test for it. Right now, it’s a sure-fire way of God to make individuals pass on who get it. Someday the survival rate from this disease will be much higher, and God may use other means to get people to pass on. Does that mean it gets harder for God? According to Luke 1:37, nothing is impossible with God.

And we are saddened when people we love, either personally or through things like their music, pass on. But if God has judged them to live a life of goodness, they are brought into His House, where there exist good things beyond our imagination. It is a place of paradise to be enjoyed forever by those who go there. So, although the good people have left us, including the ones who’ve earned a lot of earthly respect, we can hope to see them again in God’s House if we strive for goodness, and perhaps we can, for instance, hear the same soulful music that we heard from them on earth.

And, inasmuch as what we get from the Bible, which is a good place to look since 2 Timothy 3:16 says that all scripture is breathed out by God, we can surmise that those who are called up to God’s House have fulfilled the plans that God had for them. And if we fulfill the plans God has for us individually, our separation from those whom God brings up to His house is only temporary. After all, what is a few years compared to forever?
 

blue_ladybug

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Well, let's see.. I had uterine cancer..The odds for surviving that aren't real good, but I'm still alive. :)

I (among others here) am living proof that cancer DOES NOT ALWAYS take a person's life.
 
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Maybe something worse could have happened.....

The righteous perisheth, and no man layeth it to heart: and merciful men are taken away, none considering that the righteous is taken away from the evil to come.
 

Nehemiah6

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God and Pancreatic Cancer
What's so special about pancreatic cancer? All cancers are evil -- malignant, destructive, evil, hard to contain or eradicate. They symbolize sin and evil in the world.
 
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7seasrekeyed

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so are we blaming God for disease and in so doing, saying He is busy KILLING people with various diseases and apparently pancreatic cancer is one of His favorite things to lob on someone so that they just die?

God’s Plans are never thwarted. If He decides for a person to pass on, they will. Which brings us to the subject of pancreatic cancer. 95% of people who get it, pass away from it. It has no early symptoms, and there is no way to test for it. Right now, it’s a sure-fire way of God to make individuals pass on who get it. Someday the survival rate from this disease will be much higher, and God may use other means to get people to pass on. Does that mean it gets harder for God? According to Luke 1:37, nothing is impossible with God.
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Dino246

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Romans 8:28 says, “And we know that for those who love God all things work together for good, for those who are called according to his purpose.” When people we know pass away, and the good ones seem to pass away relatively early in life, we often ask why. We also ask why the ones we abhor seem to live a long time.

Under Romans 8: 28, God puts things into motion for the sake of goodness.
Romans 8:28 does NOT say that God puts things into motion. It says that all things work together. There is a massive difference! God uses all things, whether good or bad, to bring about good. He isn't the author of evil!
 

blue_ladybug

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It makes no difference. Cancer is evil as already pointed out in my post.

Cancer is no more evil than any thing else in this world. We don't live in a perfect world--satan saw to that.. God used MY cancer to bring me closer to Him. :) You have a very one-track view of illness. If cancer kills whoever it touches, how come I'm not dead? How come Joidevivre isn't dead? Or any of the others here who are going through cancer???
 

blue_ladybug

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so are we blaming God for disease and in so doing, saying He is busy KILLING people with various diseases and apparently pancreatic cancer is one of His favorite things to lob on someone so that they just die?



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I THANK God for my cancer. I thank Him for ALL my different maladies.. I know, I know.. Shocking.. lol
 

blue_ladybug

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What's so special about pancreatic cancer? All cancers are evil -- malignant, destructive, evil, hard to contain or eradicate. They symbolize sin and evil in the world.

Sickness does NOT symbolize sin and evil in this world. SATAN does. You wanna blame someone for the mucked up state of this crappy world? Blame him..
 

prove-all

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I returned, and saw under the sun, that the race is not to the swift, nor the battle to the strong,
neither yet bread to the wise, nor yet riches to men of understanding, nor yet favourto men of skill;

but time and chance happeneth to them all.
 

Blain

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God does given us sickness but he does allow it, like ladyblue stated she and several others here have had to fight cancer they survived and God used their cancer to bring them closer to him. As for those who don't survive it I wish they didn't have to die in such a way and cancer affects more than just the patients it effects everyone who cares for that person affected. My sweet stephanie lost her dad to stomach cancer and though I trusted God and had faith in him whether he survived or not I don't believe in things being set in stone. I can't tell you how many times I begged God to allow me to carry her fathers burden, no one should have to suffer like that. Yet God saw fit to take him home, but the sickness itself in death was defeated.

But again God does not cause these things in fact the enemy does but also with all the artificial sweetners and foods we eat these days which are known to cause cancer it's no surprise cancer is far more frequent these days.
 
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pottersclay

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We are all born broken, subjectable to disease, sickness. It's in our d.n.a. but yet pslam 139 tells us we're wonderfully made.
That God has made our bodies to fight off infection, disease, yet this too is failing in some.
The pslam also tells us that God knows all our inward parts. Some here believe they are born defective yet God has chosen to create you for his purpose.
As bluelady siad her cancer has brought her closer to the Lord, my walk is closer also because of my cancer.
It's a horrible horrible disease that is found in saints and aints. Old and young. It's not a curse from God it's a fact of life.
But put in the hands of God it can be a blessing to some. Only the Lord can do that;).
 

Nehemiah6

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Sickness does NOT symbolize sin and evil in this world.
False. Read this carefully and think about it.

1 CORINTHIANS 11 KJB
27 Wherefore whosoever shall eat this bread, and drink this cup of the Lord, unworthily, shall be guilty of the body and blood of the Lord.

28 But let a man examine himself, and so let him eat of that bread, and drink of that cup.

29 For he that eateth and drinketh unworthily, eateth and drinketh damnation [CONDEMNATION] to himself, not discerning the Lord's body.

30 For this cause many are weak and sickly among you, and many sleep. [DIE]

31 For if we would judge ourselves, we should not be judged.

32 But when we are judged, we are chastened of the Lord, that we should not be condemned with the world.
 

blue_ladybug

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Really? I know people who had the best lifestyle. Never drank, smoked, did drugs, etc. Exercised every day, took care of themselves. In spite of all that, they STILL got sick.

Ultimately, we all die of the same thing. Heart failure. Not cancer, or a stroke, or even an overdose.

Yes, many DO die from illness. But many others do not. Unless you're talking to a bunch of zombies right now, because there are alot of people here battling cancer and other illnesses, and there are those here who have survived and kicked cancer's ascot. TWO of them right here on this thread.

SATAN creates the evil in this world. God merely allows it.

I can assure you, I'm not the walking dead. And neither is Potters. :)
 

John146

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Really? I know people who had the best lifestyle. Never drank, smoked, did drugs, etc. Exercised every day, took care of themselves. In spite of all that, they STILL got sick.

Ultimately, we all die of the same thing. Heart failure. Not cancer, or a stroke, or even an overdose.

Yes, many DO die from illness. But many others do not. Unless you're talking to a bunch of zombies right now, because there are alot of people here battling cancer and other illnesses, and there are those here who have survived and kicked cancer's ascot. TWO of them right here on this thread.

SATAN creates the evil in this world. God merely allows it.

I can assure you, I'm not the walking dead. And neither is Potters. :)
THREE! I too just beat cancer through the Lord Jesus Christ! I had stage 4 NHL and just 2 months ago was declared cancer free. Praise the Lord!
 

tourist

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Well, let's see.. I had uterine cancer..The odds for surviving that aren't real good, but I'm still alive.:)

I (among others here) am living proof that cancer DOES NOT ALWAYS take a person's life.
I'm a cancer survivor too. I guess that God had other plans for me. You wrote an excellent testimony about overcoming your cancer with the grace of God and I highly recommend it. The depression testimony you wrote is also a good study for those suffering from this malady.
 

tourist

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False. Read this carefully and think about it.

1 CORINTHIANS 11 KJB
27 Wherefore whosoever shall eat this bread, and drink this cup of the Lord, unworthily, shall be guilty of the body and blood of the Lord.

28 But let a man examine himself, and so let him eat of that bread, and drink of that cup.

29 For he that eateth and drinketh unworthily, eateth and drinketh damnation [CONDEMNATION] to himself, not discerning the Lord's body.

30 For this cause many are weak and sickly among you, and many sleep. [DIE]

31 For if we would judge ourselves, we should not be judged.

32 But when we are judged, we are chastened of the Lord, that we should not be condemned with the world.
This only addresses the possible fate for those that do certain things in an unworthy manner. It has nothing to do with a born again Christian getting sick, suffer, and possibly die from the sickness. We all are going to die from something or another regardless of doing worthy or unworthy things. Are you saying that all of the people that get sick or contract a certain disease and die are doing unworthy things? If so, that would include everyone that has ever lived. Doesn't make a whole lot of sense to me.