God, Babel and Jesus

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newton3003

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We don’t know for sure the reasons that God does things. We can only surmise, based on what’s in the Bible, and ultimately the Bible says in Proverbs 3:5 of the proverbs of Solomon, to “Trust in the LORD with all your heart, and do not lean on your own understanding.”

With that, it is hard to fathom that whereas God in Genesis 11:1-9 disperses the people of Babel and confuse their language to the point where different languages are created, depending where in the world they end up, with John 3: 16 which says “For God so loved the world, that he gave his only Son, that whoever believes in him should not perish but have eternal life.”

That is a pretty tall order, considering the many languages spoken throughout the world by this time! Who would understand Jesus, who likely spoke only Hebrew? If people don’t understand what you tell them, you sound to them like a clanging cymbal.

Yet, as the Bible says in Psalm 19:1, “The heavens declare the glory of God, and the sky above proclaims his handiwork,” and Jesus says to his disciples in Mark 16:15-16 to “Go into all the world and proclaim the gospel to the whole creation. Whoever believes and is baptized will be saved, but whoever does not believe will be condemned.” Jesus seemingly gives his disciples an arduous mission that is predicated on other peoples understanding what the disciples, who more than likely themselves spoke only Hebrew, are saying, to spread the word of God.

God originally confused the language of the people of Babel because, as it says in Genesis 11: 6 “And the LORD said, ‘Behold, they are one people, and they have all one language, and this is only the beginning of what they will do. And nothing that they propose to do will now be impossible for them.’” The general understanding of why He did this is because He was concerned that the people could, in one fell swoop, turn away from Him and that would be the end of that. This was after The Flood, when God said he would never again erase the people from the earth.

But we know from reading the Book of Exodus that God is a “jealous God,” not wanting people to turn away from Him. So it would seem that God made it harder for the world to come to love
Him, because of the language problem that Jesus and his disciples would have to surmount in order to enlighten the rest of the world. How much easier if everyone spoke the same language.

Obviously, Jesus and his disciples succeeded in spreading the Word of God, so they must’ve come to master the language of the people they wanted to enlighten.

And come to think of it, Jesus and his disciples had an even more difficult task at first in convincing people to love their neighbor, since in all likelihood their neighbor spoke a different language. As it appears to be a natural thing to marginalize people who don’t speak the same language as you…think of those who come to the borders of the U.S. and who are living in the U.S. who do not speak English and are constant targets of media xenophobes…the idea of loving one’s neighbor is to this day elusive.

How much simpler things would be if we all spoke the same language. And couldn’t God have achieved spreading the Word a lot easier if Jesus and his disciples, and the rest of the world, spoke one language so it would be easier to turn back others who turned away from God in past generations?
 
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pjharrison

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#2
We don’t know for sure the reasons that God does things. We can only surmise, based on what’s in the Bible, and ultimately the Bible says in Proverbs 3:5 of the proverbs of Solomon, to “Trust in the LORD with all your heart, and do not lean on your own understanding.”

With that, it is hard to fathom that whereas God in Genesis 11:1-9 disperses the people of Babel and confuse their language to the point where different languages are created, depending where in the world they end up, with John 3: 16 which says “For God so loved the world, that he gave his only Son, that whoever believes in him should not perish but have eternal life.”

That is a pretty tall order, considering the many languages spoken throughout the world by this time! Who would understand Jesus, who likely spoke only Hebrew? If people don’t understand what you tell them, you sound to them like a clanging cymbal.

Yet, as the Bible says in Psalm 19:1, “The heavens declare the glory of God, and the sky above proclaims his handiwork,” and Jesus says to his disciples in Mark 16:15-16 to “Go into all the world and proclaim the gospel to the whole creation. Whoever believes and is baptized will be saved, but whoever does not believe will be condemned.” Jesus seemingly gives his disciples an arduous mission that is predicated on other peoples understanding what the disciples, who more than likely themselves spoke only Hebrew, are saying, to spread the word of God.

God originally confused the language of the people of Babel because, as it says in Genesis 11: 6 “And the LORD said, ‘Behold, they are one people, and they have all one language, and this is only the beginning of what they will do. And nothing that they propose to do will now be impossible for them.’” The general understanding of why He did this is because He was concerned that the people could, in one fell swoop, turn away from Him and that would be the end of that. This was after The Flood, when God said he would never again erase the people from the earth.

But we know from reading the Book of Exodus that God is a “jealous God,” not wanting people to turn away from Him. So it would seem that God made it harder for the world to come to love
Him, because of the language problem that Jesus and his disciples would have to surmount in order to enlighten the rest of the world. How much easier if everyone spoke the same language.

Obviously, Jesus and his disciples succeeded in spreading the Word of God, so they must’ve come to master the language of the people they wanted to enlighten.

And come to think of it, Jesus and his disciples had an even more difficult task at first in convincing people to love their neighbor, since in all likelihood their neighbor spoke a different language. As it appears to be a natural thing to marginalize people who don’t speak the same language as you…think of those who come to the borders of the U.S. and who are living in the U.S. who do not speak English and are constant targets of media xenophobes…the idea of loving one’s neighbor is to this day elusive.

How much simpler things would be if we all spoke the same language. And couldn’t God have achieved spreading the Word a lot easier if Jesus and his disciples, and the rest of the world, spoke one language so it would be easier to turn back others who turned away from God in past generations?
I believe that God scattered the people at babel, because Nimrod was an evil man, and the whole world was following him. The one world order would already have been established. Nimrod worshipped satan. Satan would have already gotten what he wanted. To be worshipped by the whole world.
 

p_rehbein

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#3
We don’t know for sure the reasons that God does things. We can only surmise, based on what’s in the Bible, and ultimately the Bible says in Proverbs 3:5 of the proverbs of Solomon, to “Trust in the LORD with all your heart, and do not lean on your own understanding.”

With that, it is hard to fathom that whereas God in Genesis 11:1-9 disperses the people of Babel and confuse their language to the point where different languages are created, depending where in the world they end up, with John 3: 16 which says “For God so loved the world, that he gave his only Son, that whoever believes in him should not perish but have eternal life.”

That is a pretty tall order, considering the many languages spoken throughout the world by this time! Who would understand Jesus, who likely spoke only Hebrew? If people don’t understand what you tell them, you sound to them like a clanging cymbal.

Yet, as the Bible says in Psalm 19:1, “The heavens declare the glory of God, and the sky above proclaims his handiwork,” and Jesus says to his disciples in Mark 16:15-16 to “Go into all the world and proclaim the gospel to the whole creation. Whoever believes and is baptized will be saved, but whoever does not believe will be condemned.” Jesus seemingly gives his disciples an arduous mission that is predicated on other peoples understanding what the disciples, who more than likely themselves spoke only Hebrew, are saying, to spread the word of God.

God originally confused the language of the people of Babel because, as it says in Genesis 11: 6 “And the LORD said, ‘Behold, they are one people, and they have all one language, and this is only the beginning of what they will do. And nothing that they propose to do will now be impossible for them.’” The general understanding of why He did this is because He was concerned that the people could, in one fell swoop, turn away from Him and that would be the end of that. This was after The Flood, when God said he would never again erase the people from the earth.

But we know from reading the Book of Exodus that God is a “jealous God,” not wanting people to turn away from Him. So it would seem that God made it harder for the world to come to love
Him, because of the language problem that Jesus and his disciples would have to surmount in order to enlighten the rest of the world. How much easier if everyone spoke the same language.

Obviously, Jesus and his disciples succeeded in spreading the Word of God, so they must’ve come to master the language of the people they wanted to enlighten.

And come to think of it, Jesus and his disciples had an even more difficult task at first in convincing people to love their neighbor, since in all likelihood their neighbor spoke a different language. As it appears to be a natural thing to marginalize people who don’t speak the same language as you…think of those who come to the borders of the U.S. and who are living in the U.S. who do not speak English and are constant targets of media xenophobes…the idea of loving one’s neighbor is to this day elusive.

How much simpler things would be if we all spoke the same language. And couldn’t God have achieved spreading the Word a lot easier if Jesus and his disciples, and the rest of the world, spoke one language so it would be easier to turn back others who turned away from God in past generations?
Ergo the Holy Spirit Gift of Tongues.........(Languages)

Read Acts
 

Adstar

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Jul 24, 2016
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#4
We don’t know for sure the reasons that God does things. We can only surmise, based on what’s in the Bible, and ultimately the Bible says in Proverbs 3:5 of the proverbs of Solomon, to “Trust in the LORD with all your heart, and do not lean on your own understanding.”

With that, it is hard to fathom that whereas God in Genesis 11:1-9 disperses the people of Babel and confuse their language to the point where different languages are created, depending where in the world they end up, with John 3: 16 which says “For God so loved the world, that he gave his only Son, that whoever believes in him should not perish but have eternal life.”

That is a pretty tall order, considering the many languages spoken throughout the world by this time! Who would understand Jesus, who likely spoke only Hebrew? If people don’t understand what you tell them, you sound to them like a clanging cymbal.

Yet, as the Bible says in Psalm 19:1, “The heavens declare the glory of God, and the sky above proclaims his handiwork,” and Jesus says to his disciples in Mark 16:15-16 to “Go into all the world and proclaim the gospel to the whole creation. Whoever believes and is baptized will be saved, but whoever does not believe will be condemned.” Jesus seemingly gives his disciples an arduous mission that is predicated on other peoples understanding what the disciples, who more than likely themselves spoke only Hebrew, are saying, to spread the word of God.

God originally confused the language of the people of Babel because, as it says in Genesis 11: 6 “And the LORD said, ‘Behold, they are one people, and they have all one language, and this is only the beginning of what they will do. And nothing that they propose to do will now be impossible for them.’” The general understanding of why He did this is because He was concerned that the people could, in one fell swoop, turn away from Him and that would be the end of that. This was after The Flood, when God said he would never again erase the people from the earth.

But we know from reading the Book of Exodus that God is a “jealous God,” not wanting people to turn away from Him. So it would seem that God made it harder for the world to come to love
Him, because of the language problem that Jesus and his disciples would have to surmount in order to enlighten the rest of the world. How much easier if everyone spoke the same language.

Obviously, Jesus and his disciples succeeded in spreading the Word of God, so they must’ve come to master the language of the people they wanted to enlighten.

And come to think of it, Jesus and his disciples had an even more difficult task at first in convincing people to love their neighbor, since in all likelihood their neighbor spoke a different language. As it appears to be a natural thing to marginalize people who don’t speak the same language as you…think of those who come to the borders of the U.S. and who are living in the U.S. who do not speak English and are constant targets of media xenophobes…the idea of loving one’s neighbor is to this day elusive.

How much simpler things would be if we all spoke the same language. And couldn’t God have achieved spreading the Word a lot easier if Jesus and his disciples, and the rest of the world, spoke one language so it would be easier to turn back others who turned away from God in past generations?
In the times of Jesus the language that had the status as the international language for the Mediterranean area was Creek.. A lot of people knew it so the initial language problem in the days of the apostles was not as bad as you might think..

Also God is well able to inspire and help His followers to learn other languages and translate the message of God into other languages..
 

Kavik

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"How much simpler things would be if we all spoke the same language. "

True, but unfortunately due to centuries of movement and, in some cases isolation, language, being a living thing, evolves and changes (just like we do).

Indeed, just about every language in what is now Europe as well as a huge chunk of India and some of what is now the Middle east, all derived from the same common language - it's called Proto Indo-European.

Again, however, due to the movement of peoples, isolation, the vast distance between speakers, etc., etc. the language split off and eventually diverged into the various languages we have today that comprise this language family.

Same thing happened in what is now the Middle East - you had a common language called Proto Afro-Asiatic which broke off into a few splinter groups, one of which was Proto-Semitic (which, of course splintered off into the various Semitic languages found in the ancient Middle East). The "common language" as described in the Babel narrative was in all likelihood Proto-Semitic. Pull out the historical facts in the narrative and you have a pretty good rendition of what we know actually happened linguistically in that part of the world.

Still though, a common language would make life (or at least travel) a lot easier :)
 
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How much simpler things would be if we all spoke the same language. And couldn’t God have achieved spreading the Word a lot easier if Jesus and his disciples, and the rest of the world, spoke one language so it would be easier to turn back others who turned away from God in past generations?
How can God teach us that there is the chosen people ?, that He treats them differently compared to others .

Deut7:6 For thou art an holy people unto the LORD thy God: the LORD thy God hath chosen thee to be a special people unto himself, above all people that are upon the face of the earth.

7:7 The LORD did not set his love upon you, nor choose you, because ye were more in number than any people; for ye were the fewest of all people:

7:8 But because the LORD loved you, and because he would keep the oath which he had sworn unto your fathers, hath the LORD brought you out with a mighty hand, and redeemed you out of the house of bondmen, from the hand of Pharaoh king of Egypt



Exo11:5 And all the firstborn in the land of Egypt shall die, from the first born of Pharaoh that sitteth upon his throne, even unto the firstborn of the maidservant that is behind the mill; and all the firstborn of beasts.

11:6 And there shall be a great cry throughout all the land of Egypt, such as there was none like it, nor shall be like it any more.

11:7 But against any of the children of Israel shall not a dog move his tongue, against man or beast: that ye may know how that the LORD doth put a difference between the Egyptians and Israel



Exo33:16 For wherein shall it be known here that I and thy people have found grace in thy sight? is it not in that thou goest with us? so shall we be separated, I and thy people, from all the people that are upon the face of the earth

Differentiates between the vessels unto honors and the vessels unto dishonors Rom9:21 , where within the vessels unto honor: we /the chosen/vessel of mercy Rom9:23 abode.

By this teaching then , we surely understand that we were all the chosen and have been with Him since before the creation of the world (Eph1:4) , then surely we come to :” the salvation is by God Grace alone “ , then surely we shall bring glory to Him ( the purpose of creation ) .
 

Jewel5712

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We don’t know for sure the reasons that God does things. We can only surmise, based on what’s in the Bible, and ultimately the Bible says in Proverbs 3:5 of the proverbs of Solomon, to “Trust in the LORD with all your heart, and do not lean on your own understanding.”

With that, it is hard to fathom that whereas God in Genesis 11:1-9 disperses the people of Babel and confuse their language to the point where different languages are created, depending where in the world they end up, with John 3: 16 which says “For God so loved the world, that he gave his only Son, that whoever believes in him should not perish but have eternal life.”

That is a pretty tall order, considering the many languages spoken throughout the world by this time! Who would understand Jesus, who likely spoke only Hebrew? If people don’t understand what you tell them, you sound to them like a clanging cymbal.

Yet, as the Bible says in Psalm 19:1, “The heavens declare the glory of God, and the sky above proclaims his handiwork,” and Jesus says to his disciples in Mark 16:15-16 to “Go into all the world and proclaim the gospel to the whole creation. Whoever believes and is baptized will be saved, but whoever does not believe will be condemned.” Jesus seemingly gives his disciples an arduous mission that is predicated on other peoples understanding what the disciples, who more than likely themselves spoke only Hebrew, are saying, to spread the word of God.

God originally confused the language of the people of Babel because, as it says in Genesis 11: 6 “And the LORD said, ‘Behold, they are one people, and they have all one language, and this is only the beginning of what they will do. And nothing that they propose to do will now be impossible for them.’” The general understanding of why He did this is because He was concerned that the people could, in one fell swoop, turn away from Him and that would be the end of that. This was after The Flood, when God said he would never again erase the people from the earth.

But we know from reading the Book of Exodus that God is a “jealous God,” not wanting people to turn away from Him. So it would seem that God made it harder for the world to come to love
Him, because of the language problem that Jesus and his disciples would have to surmount in order to enlighten the rest of the world. How much easier if everyone spoke the same language.

Obviously, Jesus and his disciples succeeded in spreading the Word of God, so they must’ve come to master the language of the people they wanted to enlighten.

And come to think of it, Jesus and his disciples had an even more difficult task at first in convincing people to love their neighbor, since in all likelihood their neighbor spoke a different language. As it appears to be a natural thing to marginalize people who don’t speak the same language as you…think of those who come to the borders of the U.S. and who are living in the U.S. who do not speak English and are constant targets of media xenophobes…the idea of loving one’s neighbor is to this day elusive.

How much simpler things would be if we all spoke the same language. And couldn’t God have achieved spreading the Word a lot easier if Jesus and his disciples, and the rest of the world, spoke one language so it would be easier to turn back others who turned away from God in past generations?

Even if we DID speak the same language there would be confusion..God has given us the Bible..but no one seems to agree on THAT..lol
 
Feb 28, 2016
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hub and i believe that 'English' is the last and most related to the Holy language on earth today -
just listen to how Jesus speaks to you, it's not in an unknown language, but it is what our hearts
can hear and discern...
this is how our Saviour has chosen to give us the gift of 'salvation'...
we totally believe His Words in our ears...
 
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LPT

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Back in the day, Aramaic mainly, along with Hebrew, Greek, Latin, multilingual. By the early centuries Hebrew was mostly spoken in synagogues when speaking scripture. Most folks in and around Jerusalem and beyond was multilingual, you didn't do much business knowing only one language.
 
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jaybird88

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#10
We don’t know for sure the reasons that God does things. We can only surmise, based on what’s in the Bible, and ultimately the Bible says in Proverbs 3:5 of the proverbs of Solomon, to “Trust in the LORD with all your heart, and do not lean on your own understanding.”

With that, it is hard to fathom that whereas God in Genesis 11:1-9 disperses the people of Babel and confuse their language to the point where different languages are created, depending where in the world they end up, with John 3: 16 which says “For God so loved the world, that he gave his only Son, that whoever believes in him should not perish but have eternal life.”

That is a pretty tall order, considering the many languages spoken throughout the world by this time! Who would understand Jesus, who likely spoke only Hebrew? If people don’t understand what you tell them, you sound to them like a clanging cymbal.

Yet, as the Bible says in Psalm 19:1, “The heavens declare the glory of God, and the sky above proclaims his handiwork,” and Jesus says to his disciples in Mark 16:15-16 to “Go into all the world and proclaim the gospel to the whole creation. Whoever believes and is baptized will be saved, but whoever does not believe will be condemned.” Jesus seemingly gives his disciples an arduous mission that is predicated on other peoples understanding what the disciples, who more than likely themselves spoke only Hebrew, are saying, to spread the word of God.

God originally confused the language of the people of Babel because, as it says in Genesis 11: 6 “And the LORD said, ‘Behold, they are one people, and they have all one language, and this is only the beginning of what they will do. And nothing that they propose to do will now be impossible for them.’” The general understanding of why He did this is because He was concerned that the people could, in one fell swoop, turn away from Him and that would be the end of that. This was after The Flood, when God said he would never again erase the people from the earth.

But we know from reading the Book of Exodus that God is a “jealous God,” not wanting people to turn away from Him. So it would seem that God made it harder for the world to come to love
Him, because of the language problem that Jesus and his disciples would have to surmount in order to enlighten the rest of the world. How much easier if everyone spoke the same language.

Obviously, Jesus and his disciples succeeded in spreading the Word of God, so they must’ve come to master the language of the people they wanted to enlighten.

And come to think of it, Jesus and his disciples had an even more difficult task at first in convincing people to love their neighbor, since in all likelihood their neighbor spoke a different language. As it appears to be a natural thing to marginalize people who don’t speak the same language as you…think of those who come to the borders of the U.S. and who are living in the U.S. who do not speak English and are constant targets of media xenophobes…the idea of loving one’s neighbor is to this day elusive.

How much simpler things would be if we all spoke the same language. And couldn’t God have achieved spreading the Word a lot easier if Jesus and his disciples, and the rest of the world, spoke one language so it would be easier to turn back others who turned away from God in past generations?
My thoughts on Babel:

the people lead by Nimrod were making a name for themselves. The “name” is significant. Solomon's temple was built to house the name, we are commanded not to profane the name. Jesus came in the name. The name represents the Most High. If Nimrod was out to make a name for himself his intention was to replace the Most High with himself (or his gods)and the tower was key to doing this. We know that building a tower and making a name for oneself is not to be understood literally, many have made names and we have built many towers, the Lord is not constantly striking them down.
 

rlm68

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With the internet and English being a language the majority of the entire world understands, we are about the same place where Babel once was (everyone understanding one another and we accomplish things in our names, not God's). I believe the second Babel could be the kick off to the Tribulation, since we know the first Babel led to separation. Obviously, when everyone can communicate it leads to destruction. The internet is a definite enabler for us to become Babel once again!!
 

Kavik

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The state of English today as the "koine" of modern times is essentially the same status as Greek once held within the Mediterranean Basin.

When English first spread around the world, it displaced hundreds, if not thousands, of indigenous languages (sadly, most notably right here in the US).

Greek did the same thing after Alexander's conquests - it displaced a number of indigenous languages, so much so, that if you were a Jew and lived in a country/region which fell into what we today know as the Western Diaspora, doesn't matter where in this area, your mother 'tongue' was Greek right along with every other non-Jew who also lived in these areas.

Is history sort of repeating itself? Perhaps a little, but I think today people have more of a sense of national identity. I do see English as continuing to spread as the "lingua franca", the "koine" of today, so to speak, but I don't see it ever replacing the world's languages.

Why English and not some other language? I think a lot has to do with English's origins - unlike other Germanic languages, it never was a separately developed language from Proto-Germanic, but rather began life as a pidgin language; a blending of several Germanic languages and dialects. English by its very nature is incredibly adaptable - it has borrowed words from just about every language family in the world.

Back to the point - I don't think we're anywhere near any sort of "Babel"; that narrative describes something completely different with respect to language development.