Speaking in tongues

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notuptome

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Dino246 said:
Circular reasoning is flawed thinking. It has nothing to do with Christ.
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Only according to mans wisdom. You are partly correct. Circular reasoning can be described as flawed thinking and flawed thinking has nothing to do with Christ as Christ has no flaws. The truth of Christ circles all of mans wisdom and is reasonable above all the wisdom of man. You hang your hat where there is no peg.

Where the is no knowledge there is no real edification. Self edification must have knowledge or it is self delusion not self edification. With all the gifts of the Holy Spirit where is the gift of discernment?

Pr 25:2 It is the glory of God to conceal a thing: but the honour of kings is to search out a matter.

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notuptome

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Dino246 said:
You're still demonstrating your lack of understanding on the matter of circular reasoning. Please go and look it up for yourself.
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You are still being condescending and dismissive. If you are able to teach why do you withhold knowledge? You cannot demonstrate that all circular reasoning. Circular reasoning is only flawed if the suppositions posed by it are flawed.

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notuptome said:
Only according to mans wisdom. You are partly correct. Circular reasoning can be described as flawed thinking and flawed thinking has nothing to do with Christ as Christ has no flaws. The truth of Christ circles all of mans wisdom and is reasonable above all the wisdom of man. You hang your hat where there is no peg.

Where the is no knowledge there is no real edification. Self edification must have knowledge or it is self delusion not self edification. With all the gifts of the Holy Spirit where is the gift of discernment?

Pr 25:2 It is the glory of God to conceal a thing: but the honour of kings is to search out a matter.

For the cause of Christ
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Amen. Excellent parable . God who sits on the circle of the earth giving his kingdom of priest like the noble Bereans the unseen spiritual understanding hid in parables from natural unconverted man's circular reasoning .
 
Dino246

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notuptome said:
You are still being condescending and dismissive. If you are able to teach why do you withhold knowledge? You cannot demonstrate that all circular reasoning. Circular reasoning is only flawed if the suppositions posed by it are flawed.

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Telling you that your understanding is lacking is neither condescending nor dismissive. It is another way of saying, "There is something you simply don't understand"... that is an assertion of fact and has no implication as to the recipient's value. It isn't comfortable to receive because our egos don't like it when we're found ignorant (unknowing) in any regard.

I have not withheld knowledge; I posted a description of circular reasoning in post #1700, two pages back. It's there for you to read.

Circular reasoning is flawed regardless of the suppositions. I suggest that you don't argue any more about what it is and isn't until you've done your homework on it. Otherwise you really are displaying ignorance... the stubborn kind.
 
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notuptome said:
Only according to mans wisdom. You are partly correct. Circular reasoning can be described as flawed thinking and flawed thinking has nothing to do with Christ as Christ has no flaws. The truth of Christ circles all of mans wisdom and is reasonable above all the wisdom of man. You hang your hat where there is no peg.

Where the is no knowledge there is no real edification. Self edification must have knowledge or it is self delusion not self edification. With all the gifts of the Holy Spirit where is the gift of discernment?

Pr 25:2 It is the glory of God to conceal a thing: but the honour of kings is to search out a matter.

For the cause of Christ
Roger
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Circular reasoning has nothing to do with "the truth of Christ circles all man's wisdom" (or the 'circle of the earth' for that matter). Circular reasoning is using an assertion to prove itself. Again, it is a specific term with a specific meaning. It also isn't a matter of "man's wisdom" versus God's wisdom. This is a discussion between men who have the mind of Christ, so please don't use irrelevant and dismissive arguments to support your position.
 
notuptome

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Dino246 said:
Telling you that your understanding is lacking is neither condescending nor dismissive. It is another way of saying, "There is something you simply don't understand"... that is an assertion of fact and has no implication as to the recipient's value. It isn't comfortable to receive because our egos don't like it when we're found ignorant (unknowing) in any regard.

I have not withheld knowledge; I posted a description of circular reasoning in post #1700, two pages back. It's there for you to read.

Circular reasoning is flawed regardless of the suppositions. I suggest that you don't argue any more about what it is and isn't until you've done your homework on it. Otherwise you really are displaying ignorance... the stubborn kind.
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LOL You are not stubborn? LOL

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Roger
 
notuptome

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Dino246 said:
Circular reasoning has nothing to do with "the truth of Christ circles all man's wisdom" (or the 'circle of the earth' for that matter). Circular reasoning is using an assertion to prove itself. Again, it is a specific term with a specific meaning. It also isn't a matter of "man's wisdom" versus God's wisdom. This is a discussion between men who have the mind of Christ, so please don't use irrelevant and dismissive arguments to support your position.
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You are stuck on a pretext. Imagine that here on CC. LOL

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notuptome said:
You are wrong. You once again falsely accuse me based on a false understanding of the scriptures involved. You are not keeping scripture as written. You are interpreting scripture to support a behavior that the Author has declared to be in error. The Author is the Holy Spirit and the Holy Spirit indwells me so I do not lack the Holy Spirit. Is your intent to accuse me of being unsaved?

I have never had any desire to rip out any chapters of the bible contrary to your false accusation. I do believe that you cannot isolate these three chapters from the rest of scripture as you are intent on doing. All of scripture and it means all is profitable for doctrine not just parts in isolation all as a whole. Unless you want to accuse Paul of giving Timothy bad advice.

2Ti 3:16 All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness:

Edification without knowledge is feeding on the husks and not the sincere milk of the word.

Proverbs 18:15 ¶ The heart of the prudent getteth knowledge; and the ear of the wise seeketh knowledge.

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Roger
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Ok :)
 
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notuptome said:
LOL You are not stubborn? LOL

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notuptome said:
You are stuck on a pretext. Imagine that here on CC. LOL

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Step up and respond to the issues at hand instead of throwing shade with no evidentiary support. Snark is not an acceptable substitution for substance.
 
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notuptome said:
Circular reasoning is perfectly fine if it circles the truth of Christ. Circular reasoning is a logical fallicy only if there is error in the reasoning. Christ is Truth. Christ is never untrue. Therefore Christ is Truth. No logical fallicy for there is no error. Christ can never be wrong. The word of God can never be wrong. Anything else is a logical fallicy.

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Amen and well expressed.
 
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Dino246 said:
You previously claimed to be "light years ahead" of me in regard to structured logic, so I find it humorous that you praised Roger for a tautology.
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Structured logic? Selective interpretation. Selective application. LOL

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Dino246 said:
Circular reasoning has nothing to do with "the truth of Christ circles all man's wisdom" (or the 'circle of the earth' for that matter). Circular reasoning is using an assertion to prove itself. Again, it is a specific term with a specific meaning. It also isn't a matter of "man's wisdom" versus God's wisdom. This is a discussion between men who have the mind of Christ, so please don't use irrelevant and dismissive arguments to support your position.
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Well of course its the wisdom of this world after the god of this worlds wisdom, which apposes the Wisdom of God found by comparing the spiritual understanding of God to the same spiritual understanding (faith to faith) as a law of Christ's faith ... hid in parables. After all we do not wrestle against flesh and blood the things seen...…...the philosophies of men

Circular reasoning has to do with laws not subject o change not theories as the philosophies of men subject to change . They have many different schools of theories of men. God's word is law . Just like the law of gravity .What go up must come down . Like the song "spinning wheels spinning a round".
 
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Matters spirituality will always seem foolish and illogical to the 'wise' of this world. You tell them Jesus died and resurrected on the third day- they'll say it is illogical; of course it is illogical when viewed in the context of the world's wisdom, that's why we apply faith.
 
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Dino246 said:
As requested...

https://www.logicalfallacies.info/presumption/begging-the-question/
https://web.cn.edu/kwheeler/fallacies_list.html
https://www.logicallyfallacious.com/tools/lp/Bo/LogicalFallacies/66/Circular-Reasoning
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Chapter and verse please.

Explanation

An argument is circular if its conclusion is among its premises, if it assumes (either explicitly or not) what it is trying to prove. Such arguments are said to beg the question. A circular argument fails as a proof because it will only be judged to be sound by those who already accept its conclusion.

its judged by the conclusion of the intent of its author .He is the Alfa and Omega.

He judges the intent of the opinions men have of it . We seek his circular reasonings from faith to faith, as it is written to as it is written seeking His approval as we follow the loving commandment to study 1Timothy 2:15 to seek his approval and not the approval of the philosophers of this world. The spirit of the anti Christ.

2 For the word of God is quick, and powerful, and sharper than any twoedged sword, piercing even to the dividing asunder of soul and spirit, and of the joints and marrow, and is a discerner of the thoughts and intents of the heart.Hebrews 4
 
notuptome

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Dino246 said:
Step up and respond to the issues at hand instead of throwing shade with no evidentiary support. Snark is not an acceptable substitution for substance.
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Example of circular reasoning. The Muslim asserts that allah is god. When it is proven that allah is not God he returns to his original assertion that allah is god.

Example of circular reasoning. An absence of knowledge produces edification. When it is shown that edification requires knowledge we return to the original assertion that edification is present without knowledge.

A logical fallacy is a fallacy period it is simply not logical.

For the cause of Christ
Roger
 
Dino246

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garee said:
Chapter and verse please.

Explanation

An argument is circular if its conclusion is among its premises, if it assumes (either explicitly or not) what it is trying to prove. Such arguments are said to beg the question. A circular argument fails as a proof because it will only be judged to be sound by those who already accept its conclusion.

its judged by the conclusion of the intent of its author .He is the Alfa and Omega.

He judges the intent of the opinions men have of it . We seek his circular reasonings from faith to faith, as it is written to as it is written seeking His approval as we follow the loving commandment to study 1Timothy 2:15 to seek his approval and not the approval of the philosophers of this world. The spirit of the anti Christ.

2 For the word of God is quick, and powerful, and sharper than any twoedged sword, piercing even to the dividing asunder of soul and spirit, and of the joints and marrow, and is a discerner of the thoughts and intents of the heart.Hebrews 4
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Garee, I honestly don't know how you can take the clear explanation of a type of flawed thinking, twist it, and call it something that God has. That is ridiculous.

Circular reasoning is flawed thinking where one uses an initial premise in a roundabout way to prove... that initial premise.

Here's an example:

If A, therefore B
If B, therefore C
If C, therefore A
Conclusion: A

No information has been added. no evidence has been supplied. The arguer has only used one premise to support another without proving any of the premises.

Circular reasoning IS NOT something that God uses.
 
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