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God, speaking through his servants the prophets and the apostles, convinced me that the law is a burden.
On the golden altar they shall spread a blue cloth, and cover it with a covering of sealskin, and shall put in its poles. 12 They shall take all the vessels of ministry, with which they minister in the sanctuary, and put them in a blue cloth, and cover them with a covering of sealskin, and shall put them on the frame. 13 They shall take away the ashes from the altar, and spread a purple cloth on it. 14 They shall put on it all its vessels, with which they minister about it, the fire pans, the flesh hooks, the shovels, and the basins; all the vessels of the altar; and they shall spread on it a covering of sealskin, and put in its poles. 15 "When Aaron and his sons have finished covering the sanctuary, and all the furniture of the sanctuary, as the camp moves forward; after that, the sons of Kohath shall come to carry it: but they shall not touch the sanctuary, lest they die. These things are the
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1 And the LORD spake unto Moses and unto Aaron, saying,
2 Take the sum of the sons of Kohath from among the sons of Levi, after their families, by the house of their fathers,
3 From thirty years old and upward even until fifty years old, all that enter into the host, to do the work in the tabernacle of the congregation.

So God gave specific duties to a specific Tribe for a specific Priesthood which symbolically foreshadowed the perfect sacrifice of the Messiah, duties that you are not now, nor were you ever to partake of, in fact, had you been there and attempted to perform these "Burdensome Laws" you would have been killed.

And may I remind you that Aaron, the Levite, and his son's are no longer in charge of the Sanctuary, and have not been in charge since Jesus changed the Priesthood and became our High Priest. (Though the Jews couldn't accept this truth and continued to preach justification by these Priesthood duties, or as Paul calls them "Works or Deeds of the Law")

So even if you were of the tribe of Levi, you would no longer be held "under the law" that was Added until the "SEED" should come.

This is the scripture you use to promote your religious doctrine of "God's Law is a burden"? This is the verse you use to erase or make void so many other scriptures pertaining to God's instructions?

What if it is your religious tradition and understanding which came from man Dan? What if Jesus was right?

16 Thus saith the LORD, Stand ye in the ways, and see, and ask for the old paths, where is the good way, and walk therein, and ye shall find rest for your souls. But they said, We will not walk therein.

Remember the first example of deception. The serpent used "parts" of God's Word to deceive Eve in believing God didn't have her best interest at heart when He gave her instruction.
 
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="Dan_473, post: 3657024, member: 190874"]

1 And the LORD spake unto Moses and unto Aaron, saying,
2 Take the sum of the sons of Kohath from among the sons of Levi, after their families, by the house of their fathers,
3 From thirty years old and upward even until fifty years old, all that enter into the host, to do the work in the tabernacle of the congregation.

So God gave specific duties to a specific Tribe for a specific Priesthood which symbolically foreshadowed the perfect sacrifice of the Messiah, duties that you are not now, nor were you ever to partake of, in fact, had you been there and attempted to perform these "Burdensome Laws" you would have been killed.

And may I remind you that Aaron, the Levite, and his son's are no longer in charge of the Sanctuary, and have not been in charge since Jesus changed the Priesthood and became our High Priest. (Though the Jews couldn't accept this truth and continued to preach justification by these Priesthood duties, or as Paul calls them "Works or Deeds of the Law")

So even if you were of the tribe of Levi, you would no longer be held "under the law" that was Added until the "SEED" should come.

This is the scripture you use to promote your religious doctrine of "God's Law is a burden"? This is the verse you use to erase or make void so many other scriptures pertaining to God's instructions?

What if it is your religious tradition and understanding which came from man Dan? What if Jesus was right?

16 Thus saith the LORD, Stand ye in the ways, and see, and ask for the old paths, where is the good way, and walk therein, and ye shall find rest for your souls. But they said, We will not walk therein.

Remember the first example of deception. The serpent used "parts" of God's Word to deceive Eve in believing God didn't have her best interest at heart when He gave her instruction.
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Please fix the quote.
When you quote what I say, please do not alter it.
Thank you.
 
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"For all have sinned."
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I responded.


What then?

All have sinned, and once we have sinned it's over. We have sin on us and nothing we do can change that. But God has called us out of sin. (Egypt ) And we have another chance to honor Him with the reverence and respect that He deserves. Abraham was one such example. Caleb, Noah, Zechariahs are others.

These had sin on them, they were guilty, filthy. But God instructed them as He does to us all. "Pick up your cross (sinful flesh) deny our self (repent, change) and Follow Him. (Turn to God)

So has anyone but Jesus ever lived without sin in them? No. But there are few, on a narrow Path, that have trusted God enough to forget their "past" and to move forward in a "Renewed mind" towards the goal of a perfect man who walks in the "works" He created beforehand for us to walk in. So although no man is sin free, there are those who trust God enough to "change" and turn to Him with all their might. This is the Soul He will help as He promised in John 14.

So we are all in the place Abraham was when God called him out of sin. Did Abraham have a Law for the cleansing of sins? Did Abraham have Levites to atone for His sins? No Dan, He had God's Laws, just not the Law "ADDED" until 430 years later. So He was justified by something "apart" from the Law given by Moses for justification. He was justified by Faith.

Had Abraham done as Eve did, and rejected the instructions God had given him, would he still be considered "Faithful"? Of course not. He would not have been in the Faith Chapter and would not have been the father of all true Christians. He obeyed God BECAUSE He trusted God, or had Faith in God. I can't find any example where Faith and obedience are or even can be separated. I can't help it you refuse to accept the existence of atonement Laws given by Moses that Abraham didn't have. But I can promise you one thing, had their been a Levitical Priesthood in Abraham's time, He would have followed them.
 
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Please fix the quote.
When you quote what I say, please do not alter it.
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I didn't alter it Dan.

You wrote it, I wanted to highlight what you wrote. Changing the color of your quotes don't change the meaning of your quotes.
 
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I believe post #182 needs to be fixed.

If I click on "REPLY", this error message pops up: "The requested post could not be found."

I suspect other users will encounter the same issue.

Do you wish help, Studyman?
 
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Dan_473 said:
I believe post #182 needs to be fixed.

If I click on "REPLY", this error message pops up: "The requested post could not be found."

I suspect other users will encounter the same issue.

Do you wish help, Studyman?
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I am still waiting on studyman to produce a source that divides the Law into different parts, because the greek language does not.

or that defines faith and belief as Sabbath and Law.

or that gentiles were told to go to synagogue ( or for philippi to build one ).

or............ anything that backs up anything he says. he has 0 authority and one bearing witness of himself is a false witness.
 
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posthuman said:
this reads a little differently when read in its context..



When God made his promise to Abraham, since there was no one greater for him to swear by, he swore by himself, saying, “I will surely bless you and give you many descendants.” And so after waiting patiently, Abraham received what was promised.​
People swear by someone greater than themselves, and the oath confirms what is said and puts an end to all argument. Because God wanted to make the unchanging nature of his purpose very clear to the heirs of what was promised, He confirmed it with an oath. God did this so that, by two unchangeable things in which it is impossible for God to lie, we who have fled to take hold of the hope set before us may be greatly encouraged. We have this hope as an anchor for the soul, firm and secure. It enters the inner sanctuary behind the curtain, where our forerunner, Jesus, has entered on our behalf. He has become a high priest forever, in the order of Melchizedek.​
(Hebrews 6:13-20)​

a sure hope that greatly encourages; an unchanging promise that can fully be trusted because He who promised is faithful.
that God has put to an end all argument with His oath - Christ is priest forever - Christ, who has by one sacrifice perfected forever all who cling to this hope.



what about:
endure in belief? ((not being deceived by false prophets))
endure in love? ((not waxing cold))

always you seem to assume iniquity when others speak of His great grace towards us -- when others speak of that hope written of in Hebrews 6.

endure in hope and belief, knowing His blood justifies. that is not tantamount to 'abound in iniquity'
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And I truly hope for His Mercy.

6 And shewing mercy unto thousands of them that love me, and keep my commandments.

1 John 5:1 Whosoever believeth that Jesus is the Christ is born of God: and every one that loveth him that begat loveth him also that is begotten of him.

2 By this we know that we love the children of God, when we love God, and keep his commandments.

3 For this is the love of God, that we keep his commandments: and his commandments are not grievous.

4 For whatsoever is born of God overcometh the world: and this is the victory that overcometh the world, even our faith.


"For whatsoever is born of God overcometh the world"

This also means overcoming the Religions of the World.
 
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Studyman said:
For whatsoever is born of God overcometh the world: and this is the victory that overcometh the world, even our faith.


"For whatsoever is born of God overcometh the world"

This also means overcoming the Religions of the World.
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"this is the victory that overcometh the world"

Our faith :)
 
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Studyman said:
And I truly hope for His Mercy.

6 And shewing mercy unto thousands of them that love me, and keep my commandments.

1 John 5:1 Whosoever believeth that Jesus is the Christ is born of God: and every one that loveth him that begat loveth him also that is begotten of him.

2 By this we know that we love the children of God, when we love God, and keep his commandments.

3 For this is the love of God, that we keep his commandments: and his commandments are not grievous.

4 For whatsoever is born of God overcometh the world: and this is the victory that overcometh the world, even our faith.


"For whatsoever is born of God overcometh the world"

This also means overcoming the Religions of the World.
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most of the religions of the world teach exactly what you do- one has to earn their way to Heaven / paradise / nirvana.

Jesus said he was the way, the only way. he said take the narrow path. what is that path? don't drink, smoke or cuss?

no, total trust in Him. most ( including you ) do NOT teach this. they ( you ) teach a man-made version of earn your salvation religion.

looks good on paper, but will not look good at the jugdement.
 
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God, speaking through his servants the prophets and the apostles, convinced me that the law is a burden.
On the golden altar they shall spread a blue cloth, and cover it with a covering of sealskin, and shall put in its poles. 12 They shall take all the vessels of ministry, with which they minister in the sanctuary, and put them in a blue cloth, and cover them with a covering of sealskin, and shall put them on the frame. 13 They shall take away the ashes from the altar, and spread a purple cloth on it. 14 They shall put on it all its vessels, with which they minister about it, the fire pans, the flesh hooks, the shovels, and the basins; all the vessels of the altar; and they shall spread on it a covering of sealskin, and put in its poles. 15 "When Aaron and his sons have finished covering the sanctuary, and all the furniture of the sanctuary, as the camp moves forward; after that, the sons of Kohath shall come to carry it: but they shall not touch the sanctuary, lest they die. These things are the
burden
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I want to highlight this quote of yours for those reading along.

God, speaking through his servants the prophets and the apostles, convinced me that the law is a burden.
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Num. 4:1 And the LORD spake unto Moses and unto Aaron, saying,
2 Take the sum of the sons of Kohath from among the sons of Levi, after their families, by the house of their fathers,
3 From thirty years old and upward even until fifty years old, all that enter into the host, to do the work in the tabernacle of the congregation.

So God gave specific duties to a specific Tribe for a specific Priesthood which symbolically foreshadowed the perfect sacrifice of the Messiah, duties that you are not now, nor were you ever to partake of, in fact, had you been there and attempted to perform these "Burdensome Laws" you would have been killed.

And may I remind you that Aaron, the Levite, and his son's are no longer in charge of the Sanctuary, and have not been in charge since Jesus changed the Priesthood and became our High Priest. (Though the Jews couldn't accept this truth and continued to preach justification by these Priesthood duties, or as Paul calls them "Works or Deeds of the Law")

So even if you were of the tribe of Levi, you would no longer be held "under the law" that was Added until the "SEED" should come.

This is the scripture you use to promote your religious doctrine of "God's Law is a burden"? This is the verse you use to erase or make void so many other scriptures pertaining to God's instructions?

What if it is your religious tradition and understanding which came from man Dan? What if Jesus was right?

16 Thus saith the LORD, Stand ye in the ways, and see, and ask for the old paths, where is the good way, and walk therein, and ye shall find rest for your souls. But they said, We will not walk therein.

Remember the first example of deception. The serpent used "parts" of God's Word to deceive Eve in believing God didn't have her best interest at heart when He gave her instruction.
 
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posthuman said:
"this is the victory that overcometh the world"

Our faith :)
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Amen,

As long as our faith is in the True Christ, and not an image of Him we created in our mind.

How can we know? Well if I truth His Word*****


2 By this we know that we love the children of God, when we love God, and keep his commandments.

3 For this is the love of God, that we keep his commandments: and his commandments are not grievous.

This is truly the Faith of Abraham. There is no other way, if one truly trusts the Word which became Flesh.
 
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most of the religions of the world teach exactly what you do- one has to earn their way to Heaven / paradise / nirvana.

Jesus said he was the way, the only way. he said take the narrow path. what is that path? don't drink, smoke or cuss?

no, total trust in Him. most ( including you ) do NOT teach this. they ( you ) teach a man-made version of earn your salvation religion.

looks good on paper, but will not look good at the jugdement.
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I just trust the Word which became Flesh over the religious traditions and doctrines of the World. God didn't create a commandment against cussing or drinking or smoking. But He did say;

19 I call heaven and earth to record this day against you, that I have set before you life and death, blessing and cursing: therefore choose life, that both thou and thy seed may live:
20 That thou mayest love the LORD thy God, and that thou mayest obey his voice, and that thou mayest cleave unto him: for he is thy life, and the length of thy days: that thou mayest dwell in the land which the LORD sware unto thy fathers, to Abraham, to Isaac, and to Jacob, to give them.
 
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On the eighth day the flesh of his foreskin shall be circumcised.​
(Leviticus 12:3) ​
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Mark my words! I, Paul, tell you that if you let yourselves be circumcised, Christ will be of no value to you at all. ​
(Galatians 5:2)​
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So you are saying if an 8 day old child let's itself be circumcised, Christ is of no value to him.
 
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So you are saying if an 8 day old child let's itself be circumcised, Christ is of no value to him.
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You said there's no scriptural support for being obedient to God placing a person in a position where they would be disobedient to the Law. I gave example.
 
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What then? Are we better than they? No, in no way. For we previously warned both Jews and Greeks, that they are all under sin. 10 As it is written, "There is no one righteous; no, not one." 11"There is no one who understands. There is no one who seeks after God. 12They have all turned aside. They have together become unprofitable. There is no one who does good, there is not even one." 13 "Their throat is an open tomb. With their tongues they have used deceit." "Viper's poison is under their lips;"
it's my understanding that no one keeps God's Commandments. see
14"Whose mouth is full of cursing and bitterness." 15"Their feet are swift to shed blood. 16 Destruction and calamity are in their paths. 17 The way of peace, they have not known." 18"There is no fear of God before their eyes." 19 Now we know that whatever things the law says, it speaks to those who are under the law, that every mouth may be closed, and all the world may be brought under the judgment of God. 20Because by the works of the law, no flesh will be justified in his sight. For through the law comes the knowledge of sin. 21 But now apart from the law, a righteousness of God has been revealed, being testified by the Law and the Prophets; 22 even the righteousness of God through faith in Jesus Christ to all and upon all who believe.
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All have sinned, and once we have sinned it's over. We have sin on us and nothing we do can change that. But God has called us out of sin. (Egypt ) And we have another chance to honor Him with the reverence and respect that He deserves. Abraham was one such example. Caleb, Noah, Zechariahs are others.

These had sin on them, they were guilty, filthy. But God instructed them as He does to us all. "Pick up your cross (sinful flesh) deny our self (repent, change) and Follow Him. (Turn to God)

So has anyone but Jesus ever lived without sin in them? No. But there are few, on a narrow Path, that have trusted God enough to forget their "past" and to move forward in a "Renewed mind" towards the goal of a perfect man who walks in the "works" He created beforehand for us to walk in. So although no man is sin free, there are those who trust God enough to "change" and turn to Him with all their might. This is the Soul He will help as He promised in John 14.

So we are all in the place Abraham was when God called him out of sin. Did Abraham have a Law for the cleansing of sins? Did Abraham have Levites to atone for His sins? No Dan, He had God's Laws, just not the Law "ADDED" until 430 years later. So He was justified by something "apart" from the Law given by Moses for justification. He was justified by Faith.

Had Abraham done as Eve did, and rejected the instructions God had given him, would he still be considered "Faithful"? Of course not. He would not have been in the Faith Chapter and would not have been the father of all true Christians. He obeyed God BECAUSE He trusted God, or had Faith in God. I can't find any example where Faith and obedience are or even can be separated. I can't help it you refuse to accept the existence of atonement Laws given by Moses that Abraham didn't have. But I can promise you one thing, had their been a Levitical Priesthood in Abraham's time, He would have followed them.
 
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posthuman said:
You said there's no scriptural support for being obedient to God placing a person in a position where they would be disobedient to the Law. I gave example.
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The "Law" said God would bring "Gentiles" (physically uncircumcised by definition) into His Fold "After those days". Even the stranger who takes hold of His Sabbaths. Paul understood this. Was Abraham Faithful to God before physical circumcision? Was Abel, was Noah? What were these examples to teach us?

28 For he is not a Jew, which is one outwardly; neither is that circumcision, which is outward in the flesh:
29 But he is a Jew, which is one inwardly; and circumcision is that of the heart, in the spirit, and not in the letter; whose praise is not of men, but of God.

Paul understood this teach from the "LAW" and so do I. One thing is for sure, God didn't create the whole "circumcision" thing as an excuse for religious man to reject His Commandments.
 
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I believe you said that you don't believe you will be placed in a position where you will have to break God's Law to keep it. Have you not read what David did, when he and his companions were hungry; 4 how he entered into the house of God, and they ate the show bread, which was not lawful for him to eat, neither for those who were with him, but only for the priests? 5Or have you not read in the Law, that on the Sabbath day the priests in the temple profane the Sabbath and are blameless?


Then David came to Nob to Ahimelech the priest. Ahimelech came to meet David trembling, and said to him, "Why are you alone, and no man with you?" 2 David said to the priest, "The king has commanded me a business, and has said to me, 'Let no man know anything of the business about which I send you, and what I have commanded you; and I have arranged to meet the young men at a certain place.' 3 Now, if there are five loaves of bread under your control, give them into my hand, or whatever there is." 4 And the priest answered David, and said, "There is no common bread in my control, but there is holy bread. If the young men have kept themselves from women, they may eat of it." 5 And David answered the priest, and said to him, "Truly women have been kept from us as always when I set out. All the young men are holy, even when it is an ordinary mission. So how much more today will their vessels be holy?" 6 So the priest gave him what had been consecrated, for there was no bread there but the show bread, that had been removed before the LORD, to put hot bread in the day when it was taken away. 7 Now a certain man of the servants of Saul was there that day, detained before the LORD; and his name was Doeg the Edomite, the best of the herdsmen who belonged to Saul. 8 David said to Ahimelech, "Isn't there here under your control spear or sword? For I have neither brought my sword nor my weapons with me, because the king's business required haste." 9 The priest said, "The sword of Goliath the Philistine, whom you killed in the valley of Elah, look, it is here wrapped in a cloth behind an ephod. If you will take that, take it; for there is no other except that here." David said, "There is none like that. Give it to me." 10 David arose, and fled that day for fear of Saul, and went to Achish the king of Gath. 11The servants of Achish said to him, "Isn't this David the king of the land? Did they not sing one to another about him in dances, saying, 'Saul has slain his thousands, David his ten thousands?'"

was Ahimelech right to give David the bread?
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There is no common bread in my control, but there is holy bread. If the young men have kept themselves from women, they may eat of it

12 And Saul said, Hear now, thou son of Ahitub. And he answered, Here I am, my lord.
13 And Saul said unto him, Why have ye conspired against me, thou and the son of Jesse, in that thou hast given him bread, and a sword, and hast enquired of God for him, that he should rise against me, to lie in wait, as at this day?

14 Then Ahimelech answered the king, and said, And who is so faithful among all thy servants as David, which is the king's son in law, and goeth at thy bidding, and is honourable in thine house?

15 Did I then begin to enquire of God for him? be it far from me: let not the king impute any thing unto his servant, nor to all the house of my father: for thy servant knew nothing of all this, less or more.

16 And the king said, Thou shalt surely die, Ahimelech, thou, and all thy father's house.

So if you believe in the Pharisees, and King Saul, which had the same spirit, you would declare as you do, that David and the Priest sinned.

If that's what the spirit on you teaches these scriptures are about, then so be it.

I don't believe the Word which became Flesh created this "Example" for my admonition, to teach me to reject God's Commandments, or create my own religious traditions, or to use it to make Void all His other Words, before and after, regarding His Holy Sabbath.

1 Sam. 15:
22 And Samuel said, Hath the LORD as great delight in burnt offerings and sacrifices, as in obeying the voice of the LORD? Behold, to obey is better than sacrifice, and to hearken than the fat of rams.
23 For rebellion is as the sin of witchcraft, and stubbornness is as iniquity and idolatry. Because thou hast rejected the word of the LORD, he hath also rejected thee from being king.

So you answer a question. In your understanding of the God of Abraham, did He create the Priesthood and the Priesthood duties to help His People, or to hurt them?

I find it absolutely fascinating how far men go to preserve their own religion. Saul tried to kill David, The Pharisees killed their own Messiah, all to preserve their own religious traditions.

In your zeal to do the same thing, you have missed the most important lesson Jesus created for us in these examples. And it wasn't to teach us it's OK to transgress His Commandments. IMO.
 
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Jesus was born under the law.

But I say that so long as the heir is a child, he is no different from a slave, though he is lord of all; 2 but is under guardians and stewards until the day appointed by the father. 3 So we also, when we were children, were held in bondage under the elemental principles of the world. 4But when the fullness of the time came, God sent out his Son, born to a woman, born under the law, 5 that he might redeem those who were under the law, that we might receive the adoption of children.
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Yes, He was a man same as you and I. But He was born under a law that Abraham nor you and I were born under. It's called the "Levitical Priesthood". The Mainstream Preachers of that time had created a religion around it. But they had omitted the Weightier parts of God's Law like Judgment, Mercy and Faith. Jesus "fulfilled" this Priesthood and became our High Priest as He foretold in the Law and Prophets.

we are not under the law.
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So yes, as Jesus and His Prophets foretold, we are no longer under the Law of the Old Covenant which required the "blood of goats" for the remission of sins. As He said "For I will forgive their sins".

Does this verse, in your mind, erase the scriptures of my post? Does it make the Law and Prophets Void?


For the flesh lusts against the Spirit, and the Spirit against the flesh; and these are contrary to one another, that you may not do the things that you desire. 18 But if you are led by the Spirit, you are not under the law. 19 Now the works of the flesh are obvious, which are: sexual immorality, uncleanness, lustfulness, 20 idolatry, sorcery, hatred, strife, jealousies, outbursts of anger, rivalries, divisions, heresies, 21 envyings, murders, drunkenness, orgies, and things like these; of which I forewarn you, even as I also forewarned you, that those who practice such things will not inherit the Kingdom of God. 22 But the fruit of the Spirit is love, joy, peace, patience, kindness, goodness, faithfulness, 23 gentleness, and self-control. Against such things there is no law.24 Those who belong to Christ have crucified the flesh with its passions and lusts. 25 If we live by the Spirit, let us also walk by the Spirit. 26 Let us not become conceited, provoking one another, and envying one another.
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But now wait a minute, you just posted that "EVERYTHING was "Lawful" for Paul. But now you are posting rules, mostly parts of Leviticus 19 and Ex. 20.

Is there some kind of point you are trying to make? Or are they just random posts.
 
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The "Law" said God would bring "Gentiles" (physically uncircumcised by definition) into His Fold "After those days". Even the stranger who takes hold of His Sabbaths. Paul understood this. Was Abraham Faithful to God before physical circumcision? Was Abel, was Noah? What were these examples to teach us?

28 For he is not a Jew, which is one outwardly; neither is that circumcision, which is outward in the flesh:
29 But he is a Jew, which is one inwardly; and circumcision is that of the heart, in the spirit, and not in the letter; whose praise is not of men, but of God.

Paul understood this teach from the "LAW" and so do I. One thing is for sure, God didn't create the whole "circumcision" thing as an excuse for religious man to reject His Commandments.
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All this is completely immaterial.
Physical circumcision is indisputably part of the Law. In fact it is the sign given to Abraham of the covenant God made with him on the basis of faith, predating the Law. For it God nearly killed Moses if not for his wife's action.

Physical circumcision can now in fact be antichrist.

It was never part of anything having to do with Levitical Priesthood.

I know this is a big problem for your mainstream works doctrine, because it doesn't fit the way your want to break the Law into pieces.. That's why when I've brought it up dozens of times in the past, you only talk about non physical circumcision, as though physical circumcision never existed.
Have you considered it further or are we still at the place where you turn a blind eye to these facts? The scripture makes it ((physical circumcision)) out to be a really big deal, not something to ignore or gloss over, both under the old covenant and in the case under Christ with whatever was going on in the churches of Galatian area.
 
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I just trust the Word which became Flesh over the religious traditions and doctrines of the World. God didn't create a commandment against cussing or drinking or smoking. But He did say;

19 I call heaven and earth to record this day against you, that I have set before you life and death, blessing and cursing: therefore choose life, that both thou and thy seed may live:
20 That thou mayest love the LORD thy God, and that thou mayest obey his voice, and that thou mayest cleave unto him: for he is thy life, and the length of thy days: that thou mayest dwell in the land which the LORD sware unto thy fathers, to Abraham, to Isaac, and to Jacob, to give them.
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This He said to Israel under the Sinai covenant. Not to those under the covenant of His blood. We're not under curse of the Law and we're not standing to inherit land in the Levant.


Context :)
 
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