Holy Rollers

Funny, right? Holy Rollers.

Those are the stupid people who believe the Holy Spirit is the manifestation for us all
of God's Presence and authority in the form of spiritual gifts. Boy isn't that a dum notion.

Of course I have a confession. I believe this form of worship because it is a visible demonstration in assembly of our faith.

Yes, I believe the gifts are here until they are no longer necessary, such as healing and foretelling of events in our Father's will, for we will arrive to the point one day, on God's Great and Glorious Day when prophesy will have all been fulfilled and no one will need healing , not in the manner of healers today.

It is true I sometimes doubt some of the folks within the parameters of Charismatic and Pentecostal, but that is my problem not theirs.

I love people being caught up inthe Hly Spirit for I feel the Presence also, and the joy is immeasurable.

Praise our Father for people who yet believe HIS POWER AND LOVE ARE REAL AND HERE FOR US TO BE edified by. Praise God, amen, always in Jesus Christ's name...or do you prefer Yeshua...

It has never been humorous it has been a persecution on those who claim to be of Christ. It was particularly aimed at old time Pentecostals whose worship services were quite lively compared to main line denominations who were called the frozen chosen in return. The old time Pentecostals taught the need to be holy and separated from worldliness. Ascetism or legalism was a big part of their theology. Not entirely correct but a long way ahead of those who came along with came as you are and leave as you was. Modern evangelicals dropped the need for converts to Christ to live like new creatures in Christ. Christians walk in the Light of His word and rejoice to do His will. They no longer walk in the darkness of this world.

For the cause of Christ
Roger

Never heard of the "frozen chosen," but I certainly know who you are referring to.......what a bunch. Of course I do not hold there are not a
lot of family members there too..... Interesting about the doctrines of the previous Pentecostals.

The frozen chosen would be those who follow after God with a contrite and humble heart .

The ones that do not look to a humble spirit ..... perform a multitude holies . Holy roll, holy slain in the spirit, holy falling backward, holy laying on of hands, holy laughter or anything outwardly in a hope it confirm they are being filled with the Holy Spirit .

Christian walk by faith knowing God is not served by human hands as rudiments of this world in any way shape or form.

Frozen chosen are the old mainline denominations. They are soooo reverent that if they ever expressed any joy in church a simple smile would cause their face to crack and fall off. LOL.

One group was seen as overly excited and the other had no excitement at all. It is a problem today as well. Some churches say yea and amen at every word and others you can only wonder if anyone is awake in the congregation. There are times in the assembly to be reverent and there are times to rejoice.

For the cause of Christ
Roger

I believe if you read my posts you will find I make passing mention to fakes on both ends of this dfiscussion.

Also, I am given to fellowship with all who call upon jESUS IN SPIRIT AND TRUTH, OR At least appear to........I cannot judgef their humility level, but I do know that all groups of people who love Jesus Christ have huimble members.l......even those who are slain in the spirit, or fall baack rolling their eyes into their heads.

My point in the OP is to reveal how many have decided not to recognize the Presence of the Holy Spirit in the Body Members of Christ...........

Actually, many denominations have a tendency to deny the Hotly Spirit in deed while claiming to believe with their lips.

PS........do not be quick to judge others as saying something they have not even approached saying.......

If you do not know the way of the Holy Spirit acting in the Body Members of Christ, you really cannot comment on it with any authority of knowledge.

Thanks for the reply .

I don't know if we are allowed to have pet peeves but Charismaticism somehow gets under my sights

Its not my goal to judge or my authority, only God can see the heart and is capable of moving men in His time .The authority is by and through the word of God. Whether men follow after Charismaticism are believers or not is not my goal but God does give us the judgment to evaluate if something is of God or of men, by faith .

I am fairly confident that Charismaticism is not a biblical teaching .Not such thing as sign gift . The two words sign and gift as that which some seek after before they will beleive as evidence they have the filling of the Holy Spirit is a sign against them . Again we walk by faith not by sight not as if his kingdom did come by observation. That doctrine will not be found

Sign seekers serve show me God by that which I see with my eyes or show me God by my intellect as philosophies of men are of another kind of gospel , making the cross without effect .

1 Corithians 1:22-23 For the Jews require a sign, and the Greeks seek after wisdom: But we preach Christ crucified, unto the Jews a stumblingblock, and unto the Greeks foolishness;

John 4:48Then said Jesus unto him, Except ye see signs and wonders, ye will not believe

Christ calls them an evil generation, the generation of unconverted men that walk by sight .

'Great 'peace' have they that Love Thy law, and nothing shall offend them...

Remember always when Jesus commands us to judge for ourselves what is right, He is saying we are to judge "for ourselves."

When we act according to what is right with a clear conscience in His sight it cannot be sinful, even if we are temporarily deceived, but we must never judge for all what is right........the difference is a bottomless chasm.

This is a strawman argument.

Yeshua breathed the Holy Spirit upon the Disciples. it's the Spirit of God that connects our spirit to God.

Genesis 6:3
ADONAI said, "My Spirit will not live in human beings forever, for they too are flesh; therefore their life span is to be 120 years."

this verse is rather clear that God's Spirit does in fact live in us!!

Reading in the Word I have seen how people who have been baptized by water were given the Holy Spirit afterwards..........the descent of the Holy Spirit on Pentecost was the beginning of all receiving the hOLY sPIRIT.

As concerning Charismatics, one may safely say none of the named denominations are Biblical, that is to say,they are not named in the Bible. so this is no argument that is valid against any denomination or movement.

The only possible denomination from Jesus Christ is not really a denomination at all,rather He named our faith as teh faith of Abraham...

I believe the safest and surest approach to all others in denominations is to fellowship with any and all who believe Jesus Christ is Lord and confess it.

There are likely to be family members in all denominations, and if yo understand what Christ teaches through Paul, even some believe who are not yet aware they believe.........

If I am sober, it is to the Lord that I am sober and if I'm beside myself, it is to the Lord that I am beside myself. So whether I am sober or beside myself, I am the Lord's.

I was raised as a S Baptist and without realizing what was up, I went to a charismatic bible school. In the churches that I grew up in, if someone said, amen, to the preacher's point and I would turn to look for who said it, and all I would see is the back of other peoples heads as they too were looking to see who spoke. Then I saw worship being done with exuberant joy by many during the worship portion of the service. I spent a lot of time just watching before I was free enough in my praise and worship of the Lord to join in with them. I have since then come to the conclusion, that the Lord desires all of us, who are born of the Spirit, to worship and praise him in all of our sincere diversity.

Perhaps a strawman to yourself but clearly a foundational doctrine.... as in first things of Gd not men first as that which clearly does offend the things of God when violated. (Mathew 16:

There must be a difference between the things of men seen, the temporal .... and those of God not seen, the eternal in order to guard the faith of Christ which in turns guard our hearts as the Armor of God...………. as that which exclusively comes from hearing eternal God, not seen .

The non born again Jews (no faith) required a sign as the things of men before they would beleive. A Pagan foundation called an evil generation .

As a sign of rebellion the Jews required a sign before they will beleive... showing they are not following the gospel. Not a strawman.

For the Jews require a sign, and the Greeks seek after wisdom: But we preach Christ crucified, unto the Jews a stumblingblock, and unto the Greeks foolishness;! Corinthians 1:22-23

Then said Jesus unto him, Except ye see signs and wonders, ye will not believe.John 4:48

And when the people were gathered thick together, he began to say, This is an evil generation: "they" seek a sign; and there shall no sign be given it, but the sign of Jonas the prophet.Luke 11:29

Its an argument of faith coming after the eternal things of God vs walking by sight after the temporal things of God.. You could say where the rubber meets the road . The motive of operation that defines the spirit of the antichrist ,Satan. Therefore showing the things of men offending the Holy Spirit of God. Blaspheming the Son of man, jesus .

Then Peter took him, and began to rebuke him, saying, Be it far from thee, Lord: this shall not be unto thee. But he turned, and said unto Peter, Get thee behind me, Satan: thou art an offence unto me: for thou savourest not the things that be of God, but those that be of men.Mathew 16:22-23

Peter was used as a example he was forgiven of his blasphemy for that time period Which was before he left and sent the comforter the Holy Spirit. then blasphemy became unforgiveable.

Then Peter took him, and began to rebuke him, saying, Be it far from thee, Lord: this shall not be unto thee. But he turned, and said unto Peter, Get thee behind me, Satan: thou art an offence unto me: for thou savourest not the "things that be of God, but those that be of men".Mathew 16:22-23

The key..... to not offend our God "things that be of God, but those that be of men"

Worship is in the heart not the building. You can be joyous in the heart and not make a scene to impress those around you. The church building is still Gods house and merits our best behavior.

For the cause of Christ
Roger

Hey! Roger... PTL : )
The church is a people, whom the Lord inhabits. The building itself is nothing but a tool used to serve both the lost and the faithful, which will melt with fervent heat on the great day of the Lord. It is the people that merit our best behavior and much much more.

I see a different beginning. One that began with Abel. This is when God applies his grace or favor, having mercy on Abel.

Water baptism today takes a different direction as to it purpose and foundation, almost as if the original was made to no effect (not a salvation issue)

Men received the Spirit of Christ the Holy spirit of God from the beginning. Again using Abel as first mention .

The gospel preached beforehand, using ceremonial laws as parables which hid the spiritual understanding from natural man gave them the confidence that Christ would open their graves in respect to the first resurrection, the same one we enter.

A person must be born again is not a new testament Pentecostal doctrine. The bride of Christ made up of many lively stones that form the spirutl house of God our husband begins with the first member again...…... Abel he received the end of the faith that comes from hearing God just as we do today

Receiving the end of your faith, even the salvation of your souls. Of which salvation the prophets have enquired and searched diligently, who prophesied of the grace that should come unto you:Searching what, or what manner of time the Spirit of Christ which was in them did signify, when it testified beforehand the sufferings of Christ, and the glory that should follow. 1 Peter 1:9-11

It seems to be one of those verses that is overlooked . The glory that did follow... the souls entered the new heavenly Jerusalem prepared as Christ's bride. Many angels witnessed it singing alleluia.... the time has come .

And, behold, the veil of the temple was rent in twain from the top to the bottom; and the earth did quake, and the rocks rent;And the graves were opened; and many bodies of the saints which slept arose, And came out of the graves after his resurrection, and went into the holy city, and appeared unto many.Mathew 27:51-53

Semantics for the body of Christ assembles in all kinds of places for corporate worship. If we are in an assembly of thousands we still worship from the heart.

For the cause of Christ
Roger