Should a Christian tithe, what does the Bible say

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prophecyuk

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HeRoseFromTheDead said:
You're a very confused or deceitful person. All males in Israel were really circumcised, otherwise they wouldn't have been Israel. Some had circumcised hearts, and some didn't. So that proves that they are two separate things.

Paul uses the phrase "we are the circumcision" as a figure of speech for "people of the covenant".
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None had circumcised hearts

Romans 3:10
As it is written, There is none righteous, no, not one:

Paul does nothing, it is all Gods word of righteousness, and of course we became everything the Jews failed to be, His new servants including circumcision..

Isaiah 65:15
And ye shall leave your name for a curse unto my chosen: for the Lord God shall slay thee, and call his servants by another name:
 
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Acts 5:5 But a certain man named Ananias, with Sapphira his wife, sold a possession,
2 And kept back part of the price, his wife also being privy to it, and brought a certain part, and laid it at the apostles' feet.
3 But Peter said, Ananias, why hath Satan filled thine heart to lie to the Holy Ghost, and to keep back part of the price of the land?
4 Whiles it remained, was it not thine own? and after it was sold, was it not in thine own power? why hast thou conceived this thing in thine heart? thou hast not lied unto men, but unto God.
5 And Ananias hearing these words fell down, and gave up the ghost: and great fear came on all them that heard these things.
6 And the young men arose, wound him up, and carried him out, and buried him.
7 And it was about the space of three hours after, when his wife, not knowing what was done, came in.
8 And Peter answered unto her, Tell me whether ye sold the land for so much? And she said, Yea, for so much.
9 Then Peter said unto her, How is it that ye have agreed together to tempt the Spirit of the Lord? behold, the feet of them which have buried thy husband are at the door, and shall carry thee out.
10 Then fell she down straightway at his feet, and yielded up the ghost: and the young men came in, and found her dead, and, carrying her forth, buried her by her husband.
11 And great fear came upon all the church, and upon as many as heard these things.
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we covered this waaaay back before you graced us with your (cough cough) 'prophetic' presence

it has nothing to do with tithing

Peter told Ananias he could have kept all the money or just given what he wanted to give. while I was brought up on the KJV. let's put this in an easier to understand version:

3 Then Peter said, “Ananias, how is it that Satan has so filled your heart that you have lied to the Holy Spirit and have kept for yourself some of the money you received for the land? 4 Didn’t it belong to you before it was sold? And after it was sold, wasn’t the money at your disposal?What made you think of doing such a thing? You have not lied just to human beings but to God

that is what normal understanding provides

we are free to give as much or as little as we want. we are supposed to be stewards of the money in our control.

however, it seems that some understand the opposite and believe and wish to condemn others with the same belief, that God expects us to give everything we have

how disappointing

what God wants us to give is actually everything. but He looks on the heart and not the wallet. the heart that follows God will be blessed in what they give (as I can attest to and I am well sure many in this forum and throughout the world also) and those who are free in Christ, and not bound by false prophets who want to give people a shakedown and sound more like a donkey that does not have the gift of speech, are cheerful in their giving and bless God as He has blessed them

can you not read? is your understanding so darkened that you provide name calling and threats and big puffed up posturing that is just a projection of your own self importance and call it 'thus saith the Lord'?
 
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prophecyuk said:
You pretending Moses doesn't exist now?"

Hebrews 3:
5 And Moses verily was faithful in all his house, as a servant, for a testimony of those things which were to be spoken after;
6 But Christ as a son over his own house; whose house are we, if we hold fast the confidence and the rejoicing of the hope firm unto the end.
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John 7:23
If a man on the sabbath day receive circumcision, that the law of Moses should not be broken; are ye angry at me, because I have made a man every whit whole on the sabbath day?

Literal physical circumcision of the flesh. It superceded sabbath law.

It is no more.

You can't make that fact go away by talking about circumcision of the heart.

Dude, your premises are in ashes. Clearly. Give it up and deal with the truth.
 
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prophecyuk said:
Circumcision continues, and it is in the heart, the heart is in our body, you can say cutting the flesh is gone, but it is improved now by cutting the foreskin of the heart as told, you can hardly show anything to cease, you only show how it did increase
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No, physical circumcision does not continue. Circumcision of the hear continues. You create confusion by conflating and not discerning.
 
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prophecyuk said:
None had circumcised hearts

Romans 3:10
As it is written, There is none righteous, no, not one:

Paul does nothing, it is all Gods word of righteousness, and of course we became everything the Jews failed to be, His new servants including circumcision..

Isaiah 65:15
And ye shall leave your name for a curse unto my chosen: for the Lord God shall slay thee, and call his servants by another name:
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You're making GOD out to be a liar. He told them to circumcise their hearts, and there are many examples in the OT of people who did.
 
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posthuman said:
John 7:23
If a man on the sabbath day receive circumcision, that the law of Moses should not be broken; are ye angry at me, because I have made a man every whit whole on the sabbath day?

Literal physical circumcision of the flesh. It superceded sabbath law.

It is no more.

You can't make that fact go away by talking about circumcision of the heart.

Dude, your premises are in ashes. Clearly. Give it up and deal with the truth.
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Circumcision was as told, a token of removing the sins of the flesh, a seal of the righteousness of faith, trhis then continues with us, that seal of faith in our circumcisions now


Romans 4:11
And he received the sign of circumcision, a seal of the righteousness of the faith which he had yet being uncircumcised: that he might be the father of all them that believe, though they be not circumcised; that righteousness might be imputed unto them also:
 
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HeRoseFromTheDead said:
You're making GOD out to be a liar. He told them to circumcise their hearts, and there are many examples in the OT of people who did.
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Romans 3:10 As it is written, There is none righteous, no, not one:
11 There is none that understandeth, there is none that seeketh after God.
12 They are all gone out of the way, they are together become unprofitable; there is none that doeth good, no, not one.
13 Their throat is an open sepulchre; with their tongues they have used deceit; the poison of asps is under their lips:
14 Whose mouth is full of cursing and bitterness:
15 Their feet are swift to shed blood:
16 Destruction and misery are in their ways:
17 And the way of peace have they not known:
18 There is no fear of God before their eyes.
19 Now we know that what things soever the law saith, it saith to them who are under the law: that every mouth may be stopped, and all the world may become guilty before God.
 
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prophecyuk said:
You pretending Moses doesn't exist now?"

Hebrews 3:
5 And Moses verily was faithful in all his house, as a servant, for a testimony of those things which were to be spoken after;
6 But Christ as a son over his own house; whose house are we, if we hold fast the confidence and the rejoicing of the hope firm unto the end.
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oh Moses exists all right and be careful to understand how he missed entering 'the promised land'

he was angry and disobeyed God. he whacked that rock real hard instead of the light touch God required

I suppose as prophet you have no trouble understanding the comparison?

Moses has moved on but Jesus Christ is alive and has given us His Holy Spirit, sent from God and we no longer need a mediator between us and God

we especially do not need a false prophet who does not understand that he is not an authority except to himself
 
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Romans 3:10 As it is written, There is none righteous, no, not one:
11 There is none that understandeth, there is none that seeketh after God.
12 They are all gone out of the way, they are together become unprofitable; there is none that doeth good, no, not one.
13 Their throat is an open sepulchre; with their tongues they have used deceit; the poison of asps is under their lips:
14 Whose mouth is full of cursing and bitterness:
15 Their feet are swift to shed blood:
16 Destruction and misery are in their ways:
17 And the way of peace have they not known:
18 There is no fear of God before their eyes.
19 Now we know that what things soever the law saith, it saith to them who are under the law: that every mouth may be stopped, and all the world may become guilty before God.
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well then go look in the mirror dude :rolleyes:

but this would refer to non-believers

those in Christ ARE righteous and are forgiven

you can always tell a false speaker by the way they throw scripture around with no understanding of what is actually being said
 
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7seasrekeyed said:
we covered this waaaay back before you graced us with your (cough cough) 'prophetic' presence

it has nothing to do with tithing

Peter told Ananias he could have kept all the money or just given what he wanted to give. while I was brought up on the KJV. let's put this in an easier to understand version:

3 Then Peter said, “Ananias, how is it that Satan has so filled your heart that you have lied to the Holy Spirit and have kept for yourself some of the money you received for the land? 4 Didn’t it belong to you before it was sold? And after it was sold, wasn’t the money at your disposal?What made you think of doing such a thing? You have not lied just to human beings but to God

that is what normal understanding provides

we are free to give as much or as little as we want. we are supposed to be stewards of the money in our control.

however, it seems that some understand the opposite and believe and wish to condemn others with the same belief, that God expects us to give everything we have

how disappointing

what God wants us to give is actually everything. but He looks on the heart and not the wallet. the heart that follows God will be blessed in what they give (as I can attest to and I am well sure many in this forum and throughout the world also) and those who are free in Christ, and not bound by false prophets who want to give people a shakedown and sound more like a donkey that does not have the gift of speech, are cheerful in their giving and bless God as He has blessed them

can you not read? is your understanding so darkened that you provide name calling and threats and big puffed up posturing that is just a projection of your own self importance and call it 'thus saith the Lord'?
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Now the words and testimony, and not our own words as you show you love so much.

The multitude were of one way, one heart one mind, not their own individuality, that is the fact. All common, all sharinbg, all giving all away.

Turn your bible page and see what happens next..

Acts 4:32 And the multitude of them that believed were of one heart and of one soul: neither said any of them that ought of the things which he possessed was his own; but they had all things common.
33 And with great power gave the apostles witness of the resurrection of the Lord Jesus: and great grace was upon them all.
34 Neither was there any among them that lacked: for as many as were possessors of lands or houses sold them, and brought the prices of the things that were sold,
35 And laid them down at the apostles' feet: and distribution was made unto every man according as he had need.
36 And Joses, who by the apostles was surnamed Barnabas, (which is, being interpreted, The son of consolation,) a Levite, and of the country of Cyprus,
37 Having land, sold it, and brought the money, and laid it at the apostles' feet.



Not of the same mind and heart and in common as everyone else, greedy selfish, robbing GOd bvy lying to the Holy Ghost and dropepd dead for it


Acts 5:5 But a certain man named Ananias, with Sapphira his wife, sold a possession,
2 And kept back part of the price, his wife also being privy to it, and brought a certain part, and laid it at the apostles' feet.
3 But Peter said, Ananias, why hath Satan filled thine heart to lie to the Holy Ghost, and to keep back part of the price of the land?
4 Whiles it remained, was it not thine own? and after it was sold, was it not in thine own power? why hast thou conceived this thing in thine heart? thou hast not lied unto men, but unto God.
 
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prophecyuk said:
Now the words and testimony, and not our own words as you show you love so much.

The multitude were of one way, one heart one mind, not their own individuality, that is the fact. All common, all sharinbg, all giving all away.

Turn your bible page and see what happens next..

Acts 4:32 And the multitude of them that believed were of one heart and of one soul: neither said any of them that ought of the things which he possessed was his own; but they had all things common.
33 And with great power gave the apostles witness of the resurrection of the Lord Jesus: and great grace was upon them all.
34 Neither was there any among them that lacked: for as many as were possessors of lands or houses sold them, and brought the prices of the things that were sold,
35 And laid them down at the apostles' feet: and distribution was made unto every man according as he had need.
36 And Joses, who by the apostles was surnamed Barnabas, (which is, being interpreted, The son of consolation,) a Levite, and of the country of Cyprus,
37 Having land, sold it, and brought the money, and laid it at the apostles' feet.



Not of the same mind and heart and in common as everyone else, greedy selfish, robbing GOd bvy lying to the Holy Ghost and dropepd dead for it


Acts 5:5 But a certain man named Ananias, with Sapphira his wife, sold a possession,
2 And kept back part of the price, his wife also being privy to it, and brought a certain part, and laid it at the apostles' feet.
3 But Peter said, Ananias, why hath Satan filled thine heart to lie to the Holy Ghost, and to keep back part of the price of the land?
4 Whiles it remained, was it not thine own? and after it was sold, was it not in thine own power? why hast thou conceived this thing in thine heart? thou hast not lied unto men, but unto God.
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you know, you are passing so much hot air, that you might displace the normal flow of the currents

your entire posts are based on the fact you believe you are prophet

you are not

there are so many of you lone ranger dude prophets running around that you basically cancel each other out

by the way, God gets really irritated when people say they speak His word and yet He has not told them to say anything

you sound like a number of very angry self starter false prophets that are just so ticked off that we have a New Testament and a New Covenant

in fact, you don't sound like you actually know what a covenant is
 
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Prophecyuk, is just because I liked the prophecies in the bible fore the ending, no I am not a prophet, thanks very much, all prophets are false these days.

I might be false, God will judge all, and if what I showed offended you, very sorry for that.

You know, you did not need to edit and add to your post about prophets, you could have just read instead
 
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prophecyuk said:
Prophecyuk, is just because I liked the prophecies in the bible fore the ending, no I am not a prophet, thanks very much, all prophets are false these days.

I might be false, God will judge all, and if what I showed offended you, very sorry for that
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oh no dude

you have made yourself a prophet by how you speak

all prophets are not false these days

you don't offend me because I know the truth; however you DO offend those who are babes in Christ and you are pointing people AWAY from the freedom in our Savior we have
 
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7seasrekeyed said:
oh no dude

you have made yourself a prophet by how you speak

all prophets are not false these days

you don't offend me because I know the truth; however you DO offend those who are babes in Christ and you are pointing people AWAY from the freedom in our Savior we have
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If I was thinking I am a prophet, why would I say all prophets are false.

So maybe it is yo who considers he is prophetic, by claiming not all prophets are false

if you were not offended, I guess you would just begin in the conversation, than trying to insist I am some prophet.

all prophets however are false these days, there is nothing of true prophets foretold, only of the worst days and deceivers everywhere, and to not believe them is told

Matthew 24:5 For many shall come in my name, saying, I am Christ; and shall deceive many.

Matthew 24:11 And many false prophets shall rise, and shall deceive many.

Matthew 24:24 For there shall arise false Christs, and false prophets, and shall shew great signs and wonders; insomuch that, if it were possible, they shall deceive the very elect.
25 Behold, I have told you before.
26 Wherefore if they shall say unto you, Behold, he is in the desert; go not forth: behold, he is in the secret chambers; believe it not.
 
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prophecyuk said:
Circumcision continues, and it is in the heart, the heart is in our body, you can say cutting the flesh is gone, but it is improved now by cutting the foreskin of the heart as told, you can hardly show anything to cease, you only show how it did increase
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Admitting that the physical requirement of the cutting of the flesh is no longer commanded by God as law completely destroys your statement about all His commands being eternal for all people.

Which takes the foundation of your preaching about tithes away, and the way in which you've responded to these facts is the same way you twisted the word tithe in order to make it appear you weren't wrong. Heart means heart, flesh means flesh, pay means pay and give means give. Why speak confusion? Use the right words.
 
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posthuman said:
Admitting that the physical requirement of the cutting of the fleah is no longer commanded by God as law completely destroys your statement about all His commands being eternal for all people.
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because if we circumcise after the first example we are debtors to do the whole law, but it is God who circumcises us now with the circcmcision made without hands, so that clearly shows, circumcision is very nessesary, an actual event and not a token

Colossians 2:11
In whom also ye are circumcised with the circumcisionmade without hands, in putting off the body of the sins of the flesh by the circumcision of Christ:
 
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prophecyuk said:
If I was thinking I am a prophet, why would I say all prophets are false.

So maybe it is yo who considers he is prophetic, by claiming not all prophets are false

if you were not offended, I guess you would just begin in the conversation, than trying to insist I am some prophet.

all prophets however are false these days, there is nothing of true prophets foretold, only of the worst days and deceivers everywhere, and to not believe them is told

Matthew 24:5 For many shall come in my name, saying, I am Christ; and shall deceive many.

Matthew 24:11 And many false prophets shall rise, and shall deceive many.

Matthew 24:24 For there shall arise false Christs, and false prophets, and shall shew great signs and wonders; insomuch that, if it were possible, they shall deceive the very elect.
25 Behold, I have told you before.
26 Wherefore if they shall say unto you, Behold, he is in the desert; go not forth: behold, he is in the secret chambers; believe it not.
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you think of prophet meaning to foretell the future

why do you quote OT scriptures, rip them out of context and then try to make a case for your personal interpretation?

read the NT. prophets are not extinct. understand what scripture says before trying to tell everyone they are wrong when you cannot seem to give credence to what is plainly written regarding the money given by Ananias.

THAT MONEY WAS HIS TO KEEP SANS ANY PORTION GIVEN. that indicates a non-tithe

his sin was lying to God...lying to the Holy Spirit...God's Spirit

stop quoting verses that have no connection to the topic of the op

Matthew 24:24 For there shall arise false Christs, and false prophets, and shall shew great signs and wonders; insomuch that, if it were possible, they shall deceive the very elect.
25 Behold, I have told you before.
26 Wherefore if they shall say unto you, Behold, he is in the desert; go not forth: behold, he is in the secret chambers; believe it not.
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well then stop being one :rolleyes:
 
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7seasrekeyed said:
you think of prophet meaning to foretell the future

why do you quote OT scriptures, rip them out of context and then try to make a case for your personal interpretation?

read the NT. prophets are not extinct. understand what scripture says before trying to tell everyone they are wrong when you cannot seem to give credence to what is plainly written regarding the money given by Ananias.

THAT MONEY WAS HIS TO KEEP SANS ANY PORTION GIVEN. that indicates a non-tithe

his sin was lying to God...lying to the Holy Spirit...God's Spirit

stop quoting verses that have no connection to the topic of the op



well then stop being one :rolleyes:
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No need for prophets now, prophets spoke moved by Christ, Christ fulfilled all, nice to hear your great opinions though :)

Luke 16:16
The law and the prophets were until John: since that time the kingdom of God is preached, and every man presseth into it.

2 Peter 1:21
For the prophecy came not in old time by the will of man: but holy men of God spake as they were movedby the Holy Ghost.

Matthew 26:56
But all this was done, that the scriptures of the prophets might be fulfilled. Then all the disciples forsook him, and fled.

The money of Annias was his to give, because he didnt have that common heart like the others, who did not see that money as their own, read again..

Acts 4:32
And the multitude of them that believed were of one heart and of one soul: neither said any of them that ought of the things which he possessed was his own; but they had all things common.
 
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Colossians 2:11 In whom also ye are circumcised with the circumcisionmade without hands, in putting off the body of the sins of the flesh by the circumcision of Christ:

Putting off the body the sins of the flesh is physical, it is true circumcision, because the first circumcision was only of flesh, not in putting off the body the sins of that flesh, so now it is circumcision made by God, and it is physical, because we physically put off the body that sins of the body and flesh through that same circumcision, all is related and is one
 
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prophecyuk

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7seasrekeyed said:
you think of prophet meaning to foretell the future

why do you quote OT scriptures, rip them out of context and then try to make a case for your personal interpretation?

read the NT. prophets are not extinct. understand what scripture says before trying to tell everyone they are wrong when you cannot seem to give credence to what is plainly written regarding the money given by Ananias.

THAT MONEY WAS HIS TO KEEP SANS ANY PORTION GIVEN. that indicates a non-tithe

his sin was lying to God...lying to the Holy Spirit...God's Spirit

stop quoting verses that have no connection to the topic of the op



well then stop being one :rolleyes:
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Nice avatar picture you have there seasrekeyed

Matthew 7:15 Beware of false prophets, which come to you in sheep's clothing, but inwardly they are ravening wolves.
 
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