Did Jesus Have The Human Sinful Nature?

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Jewel5712 said:
Sinful nature and the act of committing a sin are 2 different things...
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I agree. Jesus could have our sinful nature yet He mastered it. If a sinful nature makes us sinful then babies who have died are in hell since they can't repent of their sins and have faith in the atonement of the cross.
 
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DevotiontoBible said:
Would you say a newborn baby with the sinful himan nature is sinful?
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Even newborn babies need salvation;

1 Cor 7:
14) For the unbelieving husband is sanctified by the wife, and the unbelieving wife is sanctified by the husband: else were your children unclean; but now are they holy.

Ps 51:
5) Behold, I was shapen in iniquity; and in sin did my mother conceive me.
 
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Did Jesus Have The Human Sinful Nature?

If you think the flesh body is the sin nature then, yes, he had a sin nature. If you think the sin nature is the innermost propensity to love and desire to live in sin then, no, he did not have a sin nature.
 
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shrume said:
Even newborn babies need salvation;

1 Cor 7:
14) For the unbelieving husband is sanctified by the wife, and the unbelieving wife is sanctified by the husband: else were your children unclean; but now are they holy.

Ps 51:
5) Behold, I was shapen in iniquity; and in sin did my mother conceive me.
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How would say then babies get saved?
 
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DevotiontoBible said:
I agree. Jesus could have our sinful nature yet He mastered it. If a sinful nature makes us sinful then babies who have died are in hell since they can't repent of their sins and have faith in the atonement of the cross.
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By chance, are you Christadelphian? As I understand it, they believe Jesus came into the world with sinful flesh as all men do, but he "mastered" it.
 
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Ralph- said:
Did Jesus Have The Human Sinful Nature?

If you think the flesh body is the sin nature then, yes, he had a sin nature. If you think the sin nature is the innermost propensity to love and desire to live in sin then, no, he did not have a sin nature.
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I think I understand what you're saying, but you seem to suggest that the question of Jesus having a sin nature is subjective. I disagree with that; He either did or He didn't, and I strongly believe that Scripture teaches that He didn't.
 
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Ralph- said:
Did Jesus Have The Human Sinful Nature?

If you think the flesh body is the sin nature then, yes, he had a sin nature. If you think the sin nature is the innermost propensity to love and desire to live in sin then, no, he did not have a sin nature.
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The sin nature is the pull to sin, inborn in everyone since we are all descendants of Adam and Eve, which everyone except Jesus eventually gives into and commits sins.
 
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DevotiontoBible said:
How would say then babies get saved?
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Up until they come of age when they can believe, they are saved by believing parents, as 1 Cor 7:14 states.

I do not believe that babies are automatically saved just because they're babies. Where is a scripture that states it?
 
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shrume said:
By chance, are you Christadelphian? As I understand it, they believe Jesus came into the world with sinful flesh as all men do, but he "mastered" it.
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I never heard of that label.
 
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DevotiontoBible said:
There is no proof of that. Show proof that the sin nature is only in men not women.
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Go read it yourself.....the bible is clear enough....no sense in arguing with someone who just wants to argue or be obstinate!
 
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shrume said:
Up until they come of age when they can believe, they are saved by believing parents, as 1 Cor 7:14 states.

I do not believe that babies are automatically saved just because they're babies. Where is a scripture that states it?
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Then you think all of those millions and millions of aborted babies are in hell. Show me a scripture to support that.
 
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DevotiontoBible said:
Then you must think only men are in the image of God since the Bible version you prefer says God made "man" in His image.
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This is a case where the complications of English can lead to misunderstanding. Until about 10-15 years ago, the terms, "man" and "mankind" were interpreted inclusively except where context clearly dictated otherwise. That has basically taken a U-turn, so that they now mean males only, and inclusive use of them is scorned.
The solution is always to check what terms were used in the original language(s). It is dangerous to assume that the English means something specific without checking what the source language says.
 
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DevotiontoBible said:
I agree. Jesus could have our sinful nature yet He mastered it. If a sinful nature makes us sinful then babies who have died are in hell since they can't repent of their sins and have faith in the atonement of the cross.
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Jesus was God in human form..was sinless since God is not sinful..you cant say God was sinless but Jesus was sinful..theyre one in the same...sin seperates us from God..hence death..there was no death by animal or man until sin came in the picture..babies dont sin cause they dont know acts of disobediance but they were birn with a sinful nature..they arent sent to hell because they arent judged or accountable for things they dont know because theyre babies..but once they have an understanding of God and the differnce of right and wrong and know tgey need Jesus as thier Lord and savior..they WILL be held accountable..not saying that people accept jesus the minute they know bout Him..many know from chikd on but continually reject Him :( dont know if youre a parent..but would you duscipline your child for something they didnt even know what was wrong? Now if you told your child..not to run in the road..its wrong..n the next day they ran in the road knowing it was wrong..they should be dusciplined for disobeduace...am i making sense?
 
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Jewel5712 said:
Jesus was God in human form..was sinless since God is not sinful..you cant say God was sinless but Jesus was sinful..theyre one in the same...sin seperates us from God..hence death..there was no death by animal or man until sin came in the picture..babies dont sin cause they dont know acts of disobediance but they were birn with a sinful nature..they arent sent to hell because they arent judged or accountable for things they dont know because theyre babies..but once they have an understanding of God and the differnce of right and wrong and know tgey need Jesus as thier Lord and savior..they WILL be held accountable..not saying that people accept jesus the minute they know bout Him..many know from chikd on but continually reject Him :( dont know if youre a parent..but would you duscipline your child for something they didnt even know what was wrong? Now if you told your child..not to run in the road..its wrong..n the next day they ran in the road knowing it was wrong..they should be dusciplined for disobeduace...am i making sense?
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I am not saying Jesus was sinful but that He had all the weaknesses we are born with as humans. He was fully human but He never sinned.
 
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