Easy Believism and Lordship Salvation (why both are false Gospels)

First off, Easy Believism. I used to be deceived by this false Gospel, which says all you have to do is believe, a godly sorrow as described in 2 Corinthians 7:10 is not required. That's of course not what the Bible says. We indeed do not have to change our life to get saved, but if we are saved we will start to change (Philippians 1:6, 1 Peter 2:2). You cannot deny that.

Therefore if any man be in Christ, he is a new creature: old things are passed away; behold, all things are become new. 2 Corinthians 5:17

I used to follow David J. Stewart and his jesus-is-savior.com Website. However, he is clearly confused. How can it be that somebody acknowledges his sinnership but is not willing to turn from his sins? The Greek word for "repentance" is "metanoia", which indeed means "a change of mind", however, that's not all it means, it also leads to a change of actions.

And lest, when I come again, my God will humble me among you, and that I shall bewail many which have sinned already, and have not repented of the uncleanness and fornication and lasciviousness which they have committed. 2 Corinthians 12:21

If we are saved, we will feel grieved if we backslide. See King David. You cannot be a Christian and feel good in sin. There are many LGBT's who claim to be Christians. Of course they are being dishonest.

But if ye be without chastisement, whereof all are partakers, then are ye bastards, and not sons. Hebrews 12:8

We all fall short, but at least we get back up from time to time.

For a just man falleth seven times, and riseth up again: but the wicked shall fall into mischief. Proverbs 24:16

the one who practices sin is of the devil; for the devil has sinned from the beginning. The Son of God appeared for this purpose, to destroy the works of the devil. 1 John 3:8 (interlinear, that is one of the few things the KJV messed up)

People like Charles Stanley believe a Christian would become an apostate, that does not fit into what scripture says.

But that on the good ground are they, which in an honest and good heart, having heard the word, keep it, and bring forth fruit with patience. Luke 8:15

If you are saved, you will have new desires, simple as that. We are to examine ourselves and make our calling and election sure.

On the other hand we have Lordship Salvation, which says you must do good works to maintain or proof our salvation. There is no doubt that the Holy Spirit produces fruit in us, and that fruit is repentance and good works, however, that does not mean our salvation was bound on them. People like John MacArthur claim to teach eternal security, however, they also say, you must go through a longer period of time to proof your salvation by doing good works, so if somebody tells him that he just got saved and knows it because he has the Holy Spirit in him convicting him of his sins, then Pastor MacArthur says, no, you first must examine yourself for two, three years and see how successfull you are, becoming a Christian is not easy. That of course is false, salvation is easy. A child can already accept Christ if he has conviction and godly sorrow over his sins. We are not changing ourselves, the Holy Spirit changes us! We can know that we received salvation.

These things have I written unto you that believe on the name of the Son of God; that ye may know that ye have eternal life, and that ye may believe on the name of the Son of God. 1 John 5:13

Ray Comfort says you must successfully turn from your sins to get saved, godly sorrow and being willing to turn from them was not enough. That of course is faith plus works. We are depraved (Ephesians 2:1-4) and nee the Holy Spirit to clean up our lives.

Paul Washer has complained of the Gospel being turned into a flush shot. Well...

Then they that gladly received his word were baptized: and the same day there were added unto them about three thousand souls. Acts 2:41

Did the Apostle Peter turn the Gospel into a flu shot? I think not. Repentance is pretty easy to understand, it is a change of mind and heart which results into a change of actions. Pretty simple.

Testifying both to the Jews, and also to the Greeks, repentance toward God, and faith toward our Lord Jesus Christ. Acts 20:26


God bless you all

On the other hand we have Lordship Salvation, which says you must do good works to maintain or proof our salvation.

First off, Easy Believism. I used to be deceived by this false Gospel, which says all you have to do is believe, a godly sorrow as described in 2 Corinthians 7:10 is not required. That's of course not what the Bible says. We indeed do not have to change our life to get saved, but if we are saved we will start to change (Philippians 1:6, 1 Peter 2:2). You cannot deny that.

Therefore if any man be in Christ, he is a new creature: old things are passed away; behold, all things are become new. 2 Corinthians 5:17

I used to follow David J. Stewart and his jesus-is-savior.com Website. However, he is clearly confused. How can it be that somebody acknowledges his sinnership but is not willing to turn from his sins? The Greek word for "repentance" is "metanoia", which indeed means "a change of mind", however, that's not all it means, it also leads to a change of actions.

And lest, when I come again, my God will humble me among you, and that I shall bewail many which have sinned already, and have not repented of the uncleanness and fornication and lasciviousness which they have committed. 2 Corinthians 12:21

If we are saved, we will feel grieved if we backslide. See King David. You cannot be a Christian and feel good in sin. There are many LGBT's who claim to be Christians. Of course they are being dishonest.

But if ye be without chastisement, whereof all are partakers, then are ye bastards, and not sons. Hebrews 12:8

We all fall short, but at least we get back up from time to time.

For a just man falleth seven times, and riseth up again: but the wicked shall fall into mischief. Proverbs 24:16

the one who practices sin is of the devil; for the devil has sinned from the beginning. The Son of God appeared for this purpose, to destroy the works of the devil. 1 John 3:8 (interlinear, that is one of the few things the KJV messed up)

People like Charles Stanley believe a Christian would become an apostate, that does not fit into what scripture says.

But that on the good ground are they, which in an honest and good heart, having heard the word, keep it, and bring forth fruit with patience. Luke 8:15

If you are saved, you will have new desires, simple as that. We are to examine ourselves and make our calling and election sure.

On the other hand we have Lordship Salvation, which says you must do good works to maintain or proof our salvation. There is no doubt that the Holy Spirit produces fruit in us, and that fruit is repentance and good works, however, that does not mean our salvation was bound on them. People like John MacArthur claim to teach eternal security, however, they also say, you must go through a longer period of time to proof your salvation by doing good works, so if somebody tells him that he just got saved and knows it because he has the Holy Spirit in him convicting him of his sins, then Pastor MacArthur says, no, you first must examine yourself for two, three years and see how successfull you are, becoming a Christian is not easy. That of course is false, salvation is easy. A child can already accept Christ if he has conviction and godly sorrow over his sins. We are not changing ourselves, the Holy Spirit changes us! We can know that we received salvation.

These things have I written unto you that believe on the name of the Son of God; that ye may know that ye have eternal life, and that ye may believe on the name of the Son of God. 1 John 5:13

Ray Comfort says you must successfully turn from your sins to get saved, godly sorrow and being willing to turn from them was not enough. That of course is faith plus works. We are depraved (Ephesians 2:1-4) and nee the Holy Spirit to clean up our lives.

Paul Washer has complained of the Gospel being turned into a flush shot. Well...

Then they that gladly received his word were baptized: and the same day there were added unto them about three thousand souls. Acts 2:41

Did the Apostle Peter turn the Gospel into a flu shot? I think not. Repentance is pretty easy to understand, it is a change of mind and heart which results into a change of actions. Pretty simple.

Testifying both to the Jews, and also to the Greeks, repentance toward God, and faith toward our Lord Jesus Christ. Acts 20:26


God bless you all

however, that's not all it means, it also leads to a change of actions.

I used to follow David J. Stewart and his jesus-is-savior.com Website. However, he is clearly confused. How can it be that somebody acknowledges his sinnership but is not willing to turn from his sins? The Greek word for "repentance" is "metanoia", which indeed means "a change of mind", however, that's not all it means, it also leads to a change of actions.

This is a misunderstanding or a misrepresentation. Here is the meaning of Lordship salvation:

The doctrine of lordship salvation teaches that submitting to Christ as Lord goes hand-in-hand with trusting in Christ as Savior.

https://www.gotquestions.org/lordship-salvation.html

There is nothing unbiblical about this, and is illustrated by the first words of the converted Saul (who became Paul the apostle): And he trembling and astonished said, Lord, what wilt thou have me to do? (Acts 9:6)

I agree that "lordship salvation" as you define it is not biblical. Jesus is indeed Lord and is the Lord of the Christian, but that does not mean that we stay saved by doing good works.

I also agree that "easy believism" is not biblical. We are indeed saved by believing, but true believing will come from the heart and will bring about change! The idea that easy belief at a point in time changes one's eternal status makes mockery of God's care for the Christian's heart.

So have you had a change in your actions LW97 ? Have you turned from your sins and now you are a sinless human being?

Well since you declare that believing and trusting in the Atonement is not enough and that we must change our actions you must declare that it is only by achieving a sinless state of being that people attain entry into eternal life with God...

So have you attained a sinless state of being LW97 ??? If not.. By you very own preaching standards you are not saved and are heading to the eternal lake of fire... Aren't you?

First off, Easy Believism. I used to be deceived by this false Gospel, which says all you have to do is believe, a godly sorrow as described in 2 Corinthians 7:10 is not required. That's of course not what the Bible says. We indeed do not have to change our life to get saved, but if we are saved we will start to change (Philippians 1:6, 1 Peter 2:2). You cannot deny that.

Therefore if any man be in Christ, he is a new creature: old things are passed away; behold, all things are become new. 2 Corinthians 5:17

I used to follow David J. Stewart and his jesus-is-savior.com Website. However, he is clearly confused. How can it be that somebody acknowledges his sinnership but is not willing to turn from his sins? The Greek word for "repentance" is "metanoia", which indeed means "a change of mind", however, that's not all it means, it also leads to a change of actions.

And lest, when I come again, my God will humble me among you, and that I shall bewail many which have sinned already, and have not repented of the uncleanness and fornication and lasciviousness which they have committed. 2 Corinthians 12:21

If we are saved, we will feel grieved if we backslide. See King David. You cannot be a Christian and feel good in sin. There are many LGBT's who claim to be Christians. Of course they are being dishonest.

But if ye be without chastisement, whereof all are partakers, then are ye bastards, and not sons. Hebrews 12:8

We all fall short, but at least we get back up from time to time.

For a just man falleth seven times, and riseth up again: but the wicked shall fall into mischief. Proverbs 24:16

the one who practices sin is of the devil; for the devil has sinned from the beginning. The Son of God appeared for this purpose, to destroy the works of the devil. 1 John 3:8 (interlinear, that is one of the few things the KJV messed up)

People like Charles Stanley believe a Christian would become an apostate, that does not fit into what scripture says.

But that on the good ground are they, which in an honest and good heart, having heard the word, keep it, and bring forth fruit with patience. Luke 8:15

If you are saved, you will have new desires, simple as that. We are to examine ourselves and make our calling and election sure.

On the other hand we have Lordship Salvation, which says you must do good works to maintain or proof our salvation. There is no doubt that the Holy Spirit produces fruit in us, and that fruit is repentance and good works, however, that does not mean our salvation was bound on them. People like John MacArthur claim to teach eternal security, however, they also say, you must go through a longer period of time to proof your salvation by doing good works, so if somebody tells him that he just got saved and knows it because he has the Holy Spirit in him convicting him of his sins, then Pastor MacArthur says, no, you first must examine yourself for two, three years and see how successfull you are, becoming a Christian is not easy. That of course is false, salvation is easy. A child can already accept Christ if he has conviction and godly sorrow over his sins. We are not changing ourselves, the Holy Spirit changes us! We can know that we received salvation.

These things have I written unto you that believe on the name of the Son of God; that ye may know that ye have eternal life, and that ye may believe on the name of the Son of God. 1 John 5:13

Ray Comfort says you must successfully turn from your sins to get saved, godly sorrow and being willing to turn from them was not enough. That of course is faith plus works. We are depraved (Ephesians 2:1-4) and nee the Holy Spirit to clean up our lives.

Paul Washer has complained of the Gospel being turned into a flush shot. Well...

Then they that gladly received his word were baptized: and the same day there were added unto them about three thousand souls. Acts 2:41

Did the Apostle Peter turn the Gospel into a flu shot? I think not. Repentance is pretty easy to understand, it is a change of mind and heart which results into a change of actions. Pretty simple.

Testifying both to the Jews, and also to the Greeks, repentance toward God, and faith toward our Lord Jesus Christ. Acts 20:26


God bless you all

How do most people define "easy believism?" Is it mostly works-salvationists who criticize easy believism? Do they see "hard believism" as the solution?

Can you provide support for this with regards to the meaning of the word "metanoia" also involving action, if you look at the root of this word linguistically in the Greek, the action is not physical?

There's not an exact Greek equivalent for the Hebrew word for repentance. The word repented in Jonah 3:10 is translated metanoia in the LXX, but in Hebrew it obviously has a deeper meaning than just changing the mind.


Repent
H5162 נָחַם nacham (naw-kham') v.
1. (properly) to sigh, i.e. breathe strongly
2. (by implication) to be sorry

An obedient faith is the solution. "Easy believism" is faith/belief without obedience to the spirit.

Authentic faith results in obedience. Faith without works is dead, yet we are still saved through faith, not works.

your post is just screaming anger and judgement. you make the op sound like he is personally directing what he said to you

How do most people define "easy believism?"

if people would just understand this basic gospel truth. imagine how peaceful it would be in places like this?

This is a misunderstanding or a misrepresentation. Here is the meaning of Lordship salvation:

The doctrine of lordship salvation teaches that submitting to Christ as Lord goes hand-in-hand with trusting in Christ as Savior.

https://www.gotquestions.org/lordship-salvation.html

There is nothing unbiblical about this, and is illustrated by the first words of the converted Saul (who became Paul the apostle): And he trembling and astonished said, Lord, what wilt thou have me to do? (Acts 9:6)