What must I do to be saved

I think it is time for you to get glasses, my font is no different than anyone else. if you don't have anything nice to say then don't say nothing at all. !!!!

Windmill, I will pray for you

mark 4

3 Hearken; Behold, there went out a sower to sow:

4 And it came to pass, as he sowed, some fell by the way side, and the fowls of the air came and devoured it up.

5 And some fell on stony ground, where it had not much earth; and immediately it sprang up, because it had no depth of earth:

6 But when the sun was up, it was scorched; and because it had no root, it withered away.

7 And some fell among thorns, and the thorns grew up, and choked it, and it yielded no fruit.

8 And other fell on good ground, and did yield fruit that sprang up and increased; and brought forth, some thirty, and some sixty, and some an hundred.


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14 The sower soweth the word.

15 And these are they by the way side, where the word is sown; but when they have heard, Satan cometh immediately, and taketh away the word that was sown in their hearts.

called but not chosen <- no saving faith
not born again.... no root

their hearts were not transformed but rejected the seed
they would reject Him the moment they hear of the truth
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16 And these are they likewise which are sown on stony ground; who, when they have heard the word, immediately receive it with gladness;

17 And have no root in themselves, and so endure but for a time: afterward, when affliction or persecution ariseth for the word's sake, immediately they are offended.

again no root... not born again
no enduring faith

trials and tribulations were enough to prove they did not have a saving faith
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18 And these are they which are sown among thorns; such as hear the word,

19 And the cares of this world, and the deceitfulness of riches, and the lusts of other things entering in, choke the word, and it becometh unfruitful.


no saving faith... they turn from the knowledge of God to jump back into a life of living in and justifying sin and worldly pleasures instead of accepting they are wicked and need Him

(like the reprobate)

never born again

Romans 1
27 And likewise also the men, leaving the natural use of the woman, burned in their lust one toward another; men with men working that which is unseemly, and receiving in themselves that recompence of their error which was meet.

28 And even as they did not like to retain God in their knowledge, God gave them over to a reprobate mind, to do those things which are not convenient;

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20 And these are they which are sown on good ground; such as hear the word, and receive it, and bring forth fruit, some thirtyfold, some sixty, and some an hundred.


theeeese are born again sons/daughters of God


and unlike demons who know of Him but have no faith IN Him

there is fruit due to being rooted IN Him

(born again by grace through faith.... not works)

1 peter


3 Blessed be the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ, which according to his abundant mercy hath begotten us again unto a lively hope by the resurrection of Jesus Christ from the dead,

4 To an inheritance incorruptible, and undefiled, and that fadeth not away, reserved in heaven for you,

5 Who are kept by the power of God through faith unto salvation ready to be revealed in the last time.

6 Wherein ye greatly rejoice, though now for a season, if need be, ye are in heaviness through manifold temptations:

7 That the trial of your faith, being much more precious than of gold that perisheth, though it be tried with fire, might be found unto praise and honour and glory at the appearing of Jesus Christ:

8 Whom having not seen, ye love; in whom, though now ye see him not, yet believing, ye rejoice with joy unspeakable and full of glory:

9 Receiving the end of your faith, even the salvation of your souls.

we are of those who no doubt continue in the faith

1 john 2
18 Little children, it is the last time: and as ye have heard that antichrist shall come, even now are there many antichrists; whereby we know that it is the last time.
19 They went out from us, but they were not of us; for if they had been of us, they would no doubt have continued with us: but they went out, that they might be made manifest that they were not all of us.


not those who fall away into unbelief

hebrews 10
39 But we are not of them who draw back unto perdition; but of them that believe to the saving of the soul.




(... we are saved by grace through faith not of works.... when we are born again we are rooted IN Christ... and we are those who were called AND chosen.... not the reprobate... not those who dont believe... not those who believe in a false gospel.... we are saved already and we are those who He will in no wise cast out)


we arent saved after we produce fruit


or works


fruit is a result of being rooted in Christ (saved already and kept by His power)

plain and simple

of course i dont believe the bible teaches works salvation

i just think you
and many others

have trouble rightly dividing the word


but many here also can clearly see what is being said


ralph
you and i have went over many verses together

you have yet to once convince me your stance is biblical

(as i have yet to convince you)


i can continue to post verses while explaining what they mean until my fingers hurt

its not like you havent read them... you just do not believe they mean what i say they mean

and you can continue to post verses i have already done studies on and tag your false understanding to them


i doubt we are going go get anywhere until you change

You keep forgetting (ignoring?) that vs. 24-25 makes it impossible for 1 John 2:19 to mean what you say it means.

And the story of the Prodigal Son, if you use it to defend 'once saved always saved', also makes it impossible to say vs. 19 means what you say it means.

Until you address these with a coherent, reasonable answer it's impossible to honestly accept your doctrine.

lol actually it all fits snuggly together

you twist words to mean things they do not

prodigal son <- always a son


even if you dont believe he was


and if you equate him going through trials because of his actions

to "losing salvation"

thats just another misunderstanding from you to throw on the huge pile already built up to the sky

He LEFT, noname, he LEFT. But you insist that true believers never leave. You have to make up your mind if you're going to be traditional 'once saved always saved' (1 John 2:19), or the new 'once saved always saved' (Luke 15:11-32).

Which are you? Traditional 'once saved always saved', or new 'once saved always saved'?

lol

he didnt leave believing in Christ as his lord and savior

he didnt leave "faith"

he was a son by birth
and remained a son throughout his walk



peter died.... but didnt die a second death

youre being silly now

and conflating issues trying to play word games

Okay, good, you will never use the Prodigal Son to prove you can leave the faith and you are still saved and still a son (because you don't think it represents a saved person leaving the faith).

Now, will you call people out who do use it to prove that?

I'm glad we got that out of the way...........the story of the Prodigal Son is not a story to prove 'once saved always saved'.

What if someone does not sin for the rest of their life, but doesn't do any so-called works? Will that person be saved?

lol

you're grasping at straws

i call out anyone who pushes the false belief that our works aid in the process of our salvation


or people who try and say if you are born again you can end up in the lake of fire


no one who was ever adopted by God as a son/daughter and made new will be cast out

and everyone who was saved
is saved from a just punishment

this is a gift from God by grace through faith (not of works)

that is never repented of



if you believe God is decieved by a fake belief which holds no confidence or trust and can be walked away from

thats probably why you are so confused in regards to this topic

Define a 'so-called work' and I'll know how to answer that. I think I know what you're driving at, but I want to make sure.

Whatever you call works. For example, childbearing in your example. My point is: Is abstaining from sin a good work?

Now, now, McGee, that's not what I asked. Address the matter I asked you about.


Yes, wonderful. Now address what I actually said, McGee. Don't distract from the point.



Surely salvation is by grace through faith, not of works. Everybody knows this. But the Galatians would beg to differ with you about God never repenting of that gift. They were abandoning faith in Christ for justification and becoming slaves to justification through works of the law and Paul made it clear to them, using the very law they wanted to follow, that slaves are not heirs of the promises. The fulfillment of that promise in this life being the Holy Spirit.


Wonderful.
Now answer my question: Are you now going to call out people who use the story of the Prodigal Son to prove 'once a son always a son' and 'once you are saved you are always saved', even if you leave', because as you say it is not a story about a son leaving the faith? Don't distract, just answer the question.

Yes.

Not indulging the deeds of the flesh (Galatians 5:19-21) is a work of righteousness.

i believe it does point to eternal security being true

i dont believe his walk can be tied to someone leaving "faith"

if someone says

"see this story shows even if you stop believing you are still saved"

sure ill call them out

because that isnt what the story is about


but i do still believe the story shows
your actions can lead to serious trials


but once a son always a son

this i agree with

That's all good, as long as you agree that we will continue to sin until we die. It doesn't need to be murder, adultery, blasphemy etc. I'm talking about the common everyday sins, which every believer commits. That includes those sins we commit without even being aware of them, but God knows every single sin we commit.

You may take those small sins lightly and think it's only the big ones we should be concerned about, but sin is sin and we need to keep on repenting every day until we drop dead.

I disagree. Weak faith and no faith do not have the same result. God grows weak faith. (One may plant and another may water, but it is God who causes the growth). But no faith at all? Then there IS nothing to grow...

I also disagree that believing 90% of what Jesus taught is like not believing at all. You make it sound like faith is not a small seed that grows into the largest of trees...

You STILL have not backed up your statement that that man said: 1 sin=unsaved.
You should show the post you say he said it in or be a man and apologize for putting words in his mouth.

You foolish Galatians! Who has bewitched you? Before your very eyes Jesus Christ was clearly portrayed as crucified. 2 I would like to learn just one thing from you: Did you receive the Spirit by the works of the law, or by believing what you heard? 3 Are you so foolish? After beginning by means of the Spirit, are you now trying to finish by means of the flesh?

The above sounds like what paul would be saying to the unsaved?? And all throughout the epistle he calls them brothers and sisters.