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2098. euaggelion ►
Strong's Concordance
Part of Speech: Noun, Neuter
Transliteration: euaggelion
Phonetic Spelling: (yoo-ang-ghel'-ee-on)
Short Definition: the good news, the gospel
Definition: the good news of the coming of the Messiah, the gospel; the gen. after it expresses sometimes the giver (God), sometimes the subject (the Messiah, etc.), sometimes the human transmitter (an apostle).
you obey the gospel BY believing the good news....
john 6
28 Then said they unto him, What shall we do, that we might work the works of God?
29 Jesus answered and said unto them, This is the work of God, that ye believe on him whom he hath sent.
euaggelion: good news
Original Word: εὐαγγέλιον, ου, τόPart of Speech: Noun, Neuter
Transliteration: euaggelion
Phonetic Spelling: (yoo-ang-ghel'-ee-on)
Short Definition: the good news, the gospel
Definition: the good news of the coming of the Messiah, the gospel; the gen. after it expresses sometimes the giver (God), sometimes the subject (the Messiah, etc.), sometimes the human transmitter (an apostle).
you obey the gospel BY believing the good news....
john 6
28 Then said they unto him, What shall we do, that we might work the works of God?
29 Jesus answered and said unto them, This is the work of God, that ye believe on him whom he hath sent.
That was one of my thoughts.
"Do we need to be ultimately sanctfied to be saved? Was the question so my other thought was.
The other was that we are ultimately sanctfied (positionally through faith, which if memory serves me he said to TT that he agrees with that) but as he believes we can lose salvation, therefore reject our faith or do not do the right things (like water baptism, or die with unforgivness in our hearts) then we lose salvation.
So if I said yes then I anticipated (correctly or incorrectly) that if I said yes then we get into OSAS/ES, as he does not believe in ES.
That's why I asked the question.
I can't see an answer yet, but he will reply when he gets a chance, he normally does respond.
"Do we need to be ultimately sanctfied to be saved? Was the question so my other thought was.
The other was that we are ultimately sanctfied (positionally through faith, which if memory serves me he said to TT that he agrees with that) but as he believes we can lose salvation, therefore reject our faith or do not do the right things (like water baptism, or die with unforgivness in our hearts) then we lose salvation.
So if I said yes then I anticipated (correctly or incorrectly) that if I said yes then we get into OSAS/ES, as he does not believe in ES.
That's why I asked the question.
I can't see an answer yet, but he will reply when he gets a chance, he normally does respond.
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for God (Psalms 46:10)
so love the world (Jesus love others with a selfless love, 1 Cor 13)
that he gave his one and only son (with humility and sacrificial obedience, Phil 2)
that whoever believes in him (Romans 10:17) ,
shall not perish (Romans 6:24) but have eternal life (1 John 5:11)
amplified version of John 3:16
may the gospel be obeyed
so love the world (Jesus love others with a selfless love, 1 Cor 13)
that he gave his one and only son (with humility and sacrificial obedience, Phil 2)
that whoever believes in him (Romans 10:17) ,
shall not perish (Romans 6:24) but have eternal life (1 John 5:11)
amplified version of John 3:16
may the gospel be obeyed
Hi BllG, we are sanctified the moment we are saved, progressive sanctification is our daily walk with Jesus and ultimate sanctification is when we are in heaven with our savior. 1,2 &3. I learned this in adult Sunday school 40 years ago.
Did you really say that, "I believe we can "lose our salvation?" in your post above?
Too much false testimony lately
Did you really say that, "I believe we can "lose our salvation?" in your post above?
Too much false testimony lately
I think of it this way.
People do not always live according to what they say they believe, but they will live according to what they believe.
It is what we do that shows what we really believe no matter what we say believe.
If we look at our actions that will reveal what we actually believe.
I think this is what James is pressing in on.
You can tell me and others what you say you believe, so let's see the evidence.
If you really have genuine faith in Jesus then it will be evidenced in your life.
If not then your words of having faith are just that, words only.
To get a full understanding of James 2 we need to read the whole chapter.
Not just 14-26.
People do not always live according to what they say they believe, but they will live according to what they believe.
It is what we do that shows what we really believe no matter what we say believe.
If we look at our actions that will reveal what we actually believe.
I think this is what James is pressing in on.
You can tell me and others what you say you believe, so let's see the evidence.
If you really have genuine faith in Jesus then it will be evidenced in your life.
If not then your words of having faith are just that, words only.
To get a full understanding of James 2 we need to read the whole chapter.
Not just 14-26.
TT my friend.
You have not got my post.
I posted my thoughts concerning the question BH asked me to which NNM responded to.
"Do we ultimately have to be sanctfied? Was the question to me to which NNM responded, thinking it may be a question asked concerning sinless perfection.
I have to be honest TT but you seem to question a lot of what you think I'm saying and I have no idea why.
Please go back over the last few pages.
I have said we were sanctified the moment we were saved.
I have said sanctification is a process, a daily walk. In fact a few posts back I said to DC do you mean sanctified daily or is it sanctification daily?
Where did I say we can lose salvation?
I didn't.
I said I anticipated that if I answered "Do we need to by do ultimately sanctified? the question asked to ME and I said yes (which to me happened when were saved) then the response would be "If we lose our salvation then we are no longer ultimately sanctified"
Therefore ES is not correct, and it was not an argument I wanted to get in.
Sorry TT but I'm saddened that you believe I said that and believe that.
I find myself thinking that you question me a lot.
Yet can't seem to see what I'm saying and by believe.
What is it about me you do not trust?
Cards on the table.
I think it goes back to a over a year ago.
About Feb 17.
I had let it go but I'm not sure you have.
Sorry to bring it up but it is starting to bug me now.
You have not got my post.
I posted my thoughts concerning the question BH asked me to which NNM responded to.
"Do we ultimately have to be sanctfied? Was the question to me to which NNM responded, thinking it may be a question asked concerning sinless perfection.
I have to be honest TT but you seem to question a lot of what you think I'm saying and I have no idea why.
Please go back over the last few pages.
I have said we were sanctified the moment we were saved.
I have said sanctification is a process, a daily walk. In fact a few posts back I said to DC do you mean sanctified daily or is it sanctification daily?
Where did I say we can lose salvation?
I didn't.
I said I anticipated that if I answered "Do we need to by do ultimately sanctified? the question asked to ME and I said yes (which to me happened when were saved) then the response would be "If we lose our salvation then we are no longer ultimately sanctified"
Therefore ES is not correct, and it was not an argument I wanted to get in.
Sorry TT but I'm saddened that you believe I said that and believe that.
I find myself thinking that you question me a lot.
Yet can't seem to see what I'm saying and by believe.
What is it about me you do not trust?
Cards on the table.
I think it goes back to a over a year ago.
About Feb 17.
I had let it go but I'm not sure you have.
Sorry to bring it up but it is starting to bug me now.
Do you all realize what you're becoming? You angry one's, the offensive one's who clearly delight in that pastime here. Do you realize what you're becoming in a thread that talks about saving yourselves from the sin filled personalities you display defending one truth?
Seriously people!
Live your knowledge of the scriptures. Share what you think. Don't become something a Christian is not to be because you meet someone who doesn't agree.
Do we look like we live peace in Christ when we act like this defending what he died to save us from and for?
Seriously people!
Live your knowledge of the scriptures. Share what you think. Don't become something a Christian is not to be because you meet someone who doesn't agree.
Do we look like we live peace in Christ when we act like this defending what he died to save us from and for?