Obedience, Oh No!

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Latour

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Budman said:
Hi Ralph! How's that sinless perfectionism coming?
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Does your version of Jesus sin? Does your version of the blood of Christ cleanse from all sin....or just enough to keep you a sinful rebellious person? What Jesus are you following?

There is NO sin in Christ. Those who abide in Him don't sin. READ THE BIBLE>
 
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Budman said:
Hi Ralph! How's that sinless perfectionism coming?
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I see you are still ignoring the blood of Jesus to forgive where the believer falls short.

I will be saved because I seek to keep God's commands and the blood of Jesus forgives where I fall short. You will be lost because you think grace makes it so you don't have to keep God's commands, period.
 
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Budman said:
Unless you are perfect, you cannot enter the Kingdom of God.

"Be ye perfect as your heavenly Father is perfect." (Matthew 5:48)
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The blood of Jesus makes us legally perfect for entry into the kingdom.

You won't enter in because by your life you show that you don't have that legal perfection. If you did, you'd be defending righteous living, not saying we don't have to life righteous lives.
 
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Ralph- said:
The church doesn't seem to realize James was talking to YOU when he said this:

"if you show partiality, you are committing sin and are convicted by the law as transgressors. 10For whoever keeps the whole law and yet stumbles in one point, he has become guilty of all. 11For He who said, “DO NOT COMMIT ADULTERY,” also said, “DO NOT COMMIT MURDER.” Now if you do not commit adultery, but do commit murder, you have become a transgressor of the law. "-James 2:9-11

Go ahead, tell me he wasn't.
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How many times do I have to say it?
To break one point of the Law is to break the Law.
And yet their are those who are pushing we can pick and choose.
We are no longer under the Law as given to Israel.
We are follow the commands of Jesus, not the Law as given to Israel with its animal sacrifices, stoning to death offenders, keeping the Sabbath and the hundreds of other ordinances.
 
Latour

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Budman said:
Unless you are perfect, you cannot enter the Kingdom of God.

"Be ye perfect as your heavenly Father is perfect." (Matthew 5:48)
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When we abide in Christ...we enter into HIS life...HIS kingdom...where NO sin is tolerated...or found. If you have not experienced this life IN Christ...then you need to repent and turn to Him...and not try changing the bible through lies.
 
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Ralph- said:
Not doing the commands of God...........that's how you do the work of God?
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Jesus used the opportunity to add as much as is required.

"Believe in the One He has sent."
 
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Latour said:
When we abide in Christ...we enter into HIS life...HIS kingdom...where NO sin is tolerated...or found. If you have not experienced this life IN Christ...then you need to repent and turn to Him...and not try changing the bible through lies.
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Do you still sin?
 
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Latour said:
To be perfect, yes. But to be saved Jesus says to love others. Read the bible without religious glasses and you just may see. Oh, you may have to open your mind too.
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Don't try to convince him. He's part of this last days falling away that says grace makes it so you can continue to live the way you did before you got saved because as their mantra goes, "salvation is not by works".
 
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SpoonJuly said:
How many times do I have to say it?
To break one point of the Law is to break the Law.
And yet their are those who are pushing we can pick and choose.
We are no longer under the Law as given to Israel.
We are follow the commands of Jesus, not the Law as given to Israel with its animal sacrifices, stoning to death offenders, keeping the Sabbath and the hundreds of other ordinances.
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The law of God is not Judaism. We are not under that law. But we are under the law that compels us to love God and others. Love fulfills the law.
 
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Budman said:
Jesus used the opportunity to add as much as is required.

"Believe in the One He has sent."
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And James said believing without works won't save you. You don't believe James because you are incapable of understanding how that can be without those works earning your salvation. Utterly incapable.
 
Budman

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Ralph- said:
Don't try to convince him. He's part of this last days falling away that says grace makes it so you can continue to live the way you did before you got saved because as their mantra goes, "salvation is not by works".
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Still peddling that lie I see.
 
Latour

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Ralph- said:
Don't try to convince him. He's part of this last days falling away that says grace makes it so you can continue to live the way you did before you got saved because as their mantra goes, "salvation is not by works".
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Agreed. But they seem to be in the majority here.
 
Budman

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Ralph- said:
And James said believing without doing won't save you. You don't believe James because you are incapable of understanding how that can be without those works earning your salvation. Utterly incapable.
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No, Ralph. James was talking about being justified before men by works, but not before God. If salvation is truly a gift, it must come without strings.
 
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Latour said:
When we abide in Christ...we enter into HIS life...HIS kingdom...where NO sin is tolerated...or found. If you have not experienced this life IN Christ...then you need to repent and turn to Him...and not try changing the bible through lies.
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Go ahead and tell us you do not sin. I dare you to tell us that lie.
 
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Budman said:
No, Ralph. James was talking about being justified before men by works, but not before God. If salvation is truly a gift, it must come without strings.
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I see......James was wrong. Faith without works CAN save. Got it.
 
JaumeJ

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SpoonJuly said:
My understand is very clear.
Jesus is my Lord and Master.
I understand what He will have me to do.
Do you keep the Law? Every part?
If you do not keep every part you are not keeping the Law.
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Do you read another's posts before interrogating? When you do I will respond, until then, I already have.
 
HeRoseFromTheDead

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Ralph- said:
James says we are:

"8If, however, you are fulfilling the royal law according to the Scripture, “YOU SHALL LOVE YOUR NEIGHBOR AS YOURSELF,” you are doing well. 9But if you show partiality, you are committing sin and are convicted by the law as transgressors.
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The law of Moses can't convict us of sin. It can only be a witness for what constitutes right and wrong behavior. That's why the verse above says that the law admonishes (ἐλέγχω) for being transgressors of GOD's law.

G1651 ἐλέγχω elegcho (el-eng'-kho) v.
1. to confute, admonish
 
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Latour said:
Agreed. But they seem to be in the majority here.
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There's no question that they are in the majority. The leaven of wickedness has worked through the church. We are at the end now.

We share in the hope that that there are souls lurking who have not been consumed by the false teaching in the church today. We are in the end time ministry of the Holy Spirit in the world.
 
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SpoonJuly

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Latour said:
The law of God is not Judaism. We are not under that law. But we are under the law that compels us to love God and others. Love fulfills the law.
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Praise God, someone who finnaly understood what I have been saying all alone.
 
HeRoseFromTheDead

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Ralph- said:
They are indoctrinated victims of the early Catholic Church leaders who literally outlawed the Law and made their own.
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I thought the Catholic church teaches that the 10 commandments have to be followed.
 
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