Speaking in tongues

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SpoonJuly

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Waggles said:
What do the scriptures declare on this?
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Thanks for letting us know where you and your Revival Fellowship stand--------
If we do not speak in tongues we are going to Hell.
 
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pjharrison

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jaybird88 said:
why does the Most High not just speak to the interpreter like He did with all the prophets?
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I'm talking about if someone speak in tongues in front of people who can't understand it.
 
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pjharrison

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7seasrekeyed said:
I am saying that I often do know what I am praying about and have seen that is so after the fact

there are times I do not know, but I will keep asking but we do not always know

if you are praying for a missionary over in some land you have never been to, do you not trust that God hears and answers your prayer?

see, this is not babble as some would mock. this is real and as personal experience is subjective, you need to understand that the Bible is not

the main objective of God sending the Holy Spirit to indwell believers is to give them power to witness of Christ...of the gospel

it isn't tongues or another gift. the Holy Spirit always glorifies Jesus. the gifts serve a purpose. they are not an end in themselves

and as understanding what is being spoken in tongues is also a gift I would understand that at least in my own life, I do pretty much understand what is going on

but again, that is subjective, although I speak the truth

but you know, if people want to change or disbelieve scripture they will continue to do so
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I didn't say you don't need to speak in tongues. I said be careful of the spirit that is leading you. I use to speak in tongues when I was real religious. I could feel the world opening up to me (the cosmos). Satan is the ruler of the cosmos. The whole world is run by him. If I speak in tongues now I know that it would be the spirit of God leading the utterance.
 
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SpoonJuly

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Waggles said:
No one wrote this.
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Do you and your church believe that speaking it tongues is proof of salvation?
Do you and your church believe that if one does not speak in tongues, that is proof one am not saved?

A simple yes or no will do.
 
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jaybird88

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pjharrison said:
I'm talking about if someone speak in tongues in front of people who can't understand it.
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yes i know.
the people do not understand the tongue language. they understand their common language. the Most High is capable of speaking in that common language. so why does He not just speak in that common language? this fact in itself makes the tongue speaker have no practical purpose.
 
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pjharrison

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jaybird88 said:
yes i know.
the people do not understand the tongue language. they understand their common language. the Most High is capable of speaking in that common language. so why does He not just speak in that common language? this fact in itself makes the tongue speaker have no practical purpose.
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Right. The bible tells us that if there is no one to interpret, just stay silent.
 
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shrume

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jaybird88 said:
yes i know.
the people do not understand the tongue language. they understand their common language. the Most High is capable of speaking in that common language. so why does He not just speak in that common language? this fact in itself makes the tongue speaker have no practical purpose.
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Here are a few of the practical purposes for speaking in tongues:

1) God want's Christians to do it (1 Cor 14:5; Eph 6:18).
2) It edifies you (1 Cor 14:4; Jude 20).
3) When interpreted, it edifies the church (1 Cor 14:5).
4) You are giving thanks well (1 Cor 14:17).
5) It is praying in the spirit (1 Cor 14:14,15).
6) You are speaking divine secrets to God (1 Cor 14:2).
7) You are speaking the wonderful works of God, magnifying God (Acts 2:11; 10:46)
 
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shrume

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pjharrison said:
Right. The bible tells us that if there is no one to interpret, just stay silent.
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Don't forget the rest of the verse:

1 Cor 14:
28) But if there be no interpreter, let him keep silence in the church; and let him speak to himself, and to God.
 
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jaybird88

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pjharrison said:
Right. The bible tells us that if there is no one to interpret, just stay silent.
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why does the Almighty need this interpreter?
why does He not speak directly to the prophet like He has always done for more than a thousand years?
 
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jaybird88

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shrume said:
Here are a few of the practical purposes for speaking in tongues:

1) God want's Christians to do it (1 Cor 14:5; Eph 6:18).
2) It edifies you (1 Cor 14:4; Jude 20).
3) When interpreted, it edifies the church (1 Cor 14:5).
4) You are giving thanks well (1 Cor 14:17).
5) It is praying in the spirit (1 Cor 14:14,15).
6) You are speaking divine secrets to God (1 Cor 14:2).
7) You are speaking the wonderful works of God, magnifying God (Acts 2:11; 10:46)
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the practical purpose im referring to is the example that pj gave which makes no sense. it would be like me calling a third person in every time i wanted to say something to my wife when she is standing right next to and i am fully capable of speaking to her myself.
 
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notuptome said:
So you want to judge me? Well if you demonstrate from Gods word that I am in error I would be only too happy to receive the correction. Subjective interpretation will not serve as evidence that I am not in harmony with Gods teaching.

Peter was not wrong doctrinally only in some sanctification items.

Some here believe that tongues are of such magnitude that if you do not speak in tongues you are not saved. Perhaps you could devote some teaching on why that is incorrect. My teaching would obviously biased. LOL

For the cause of Christ
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No just you have the unwillingness so say what ever christian would say when asked that question, you are the one who dodged it not me; I answered it . I'm sure you are in harmony that was not the question. I'm not trying to demonstrate you are in error , I just asked question that I have asked many people over the years . I have been saved since I was 15 and called to the minster at 16 . went to Bible school at 19, study under many great men and women I am a life long learner , and yes I have be wrong and have been corrected. And I thank God for it. You could not say that , that is not a judgement that is a fact. And No I would not care to listen to a person who is unwilling to say they never have been corrected ever in their understanding of the bible. Great men and women in the word of God were corrected. You who are spiritual restore one weak in the faith, that word spiritual means mature .
were done :)
 
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Waggles said:
Complete rubbish.
In The Revival Fellowship we operate diversity of tongues followed by interpretation in full accordance with the rules
for such laid out by Paul the Apostle.
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Nope.
There's no such thing as diversity of tongues if you don't understand the tongues. We know there's diversity of languages; Hindu is a complete language, with nouns/verbs/adverbs/pronouns e.t.c.
English/Greek/Hebrew, all have similar syntax and this is what we call diverse.

There's no way of confirming diversity of things no one understands just like there can't be diversity in baby sounds.

I'm used to such statements that don't make sense at all.

Prove to the world that there is no raising of the dead today.
Show us your evidence to support such a crass ignorant statement of unbelief.
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Easy, go to the nearest morgue near you and count the bodies, the same numbers will be buried in a week or so. And not only in your town, this is consistent all over the world.
 
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SpoonJuly

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We are all influenced by personal experiences.
There are a lot of Pentecostal people in my area. They like to call themselves FULL GOSPEL churches. Just a way of saying that those who do not teach and practice speaking in tongues are less than they are.
Years ago there was even a group that called themselves FULL GOSPEL BAPTIST. Did not last long.
Each and every one of these different groups (over 20) that I have spoken with over the last 50 years believe that speaking in tongues is proof of salvation and anyone who does not is lost a Hell bound.
These people put more importance on calling attention to their perceived holiness as evidenced by their speaking in tongues than anything else.
This is my experience. This is why I have so much trouble with those who constantly preach tongues.
 
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shrume said:
Tongues is most definitely based on scriptural evidence. And when a person believes what the scriptures say and steps out on it, the physical evidence is ... evident.


Everybody knows you do not believe speaking in tongues is real.

...doesn't mean it's not.
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I clearly said that "modern day tongues" are not based on physical or scriptual evidence. I never said "tongues" in general are not scriptual. Of course tongues are scriptural but that was not what I wrote. This mislabeling of what I wrote is classic diversion. You cannot show the connection between New Testament tongues and modern day tongues so you simply change what I wrote and comment on that.

There is no physical evidence of modern day tongues being of supernatural origin, whether angelic or statanic. Its just babble.

There is no scriptual connection to modern day tongues and the Bible, whether Old or New Testament. Its just babble.
 
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shrume

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DJ2 said:
I clearly said that "modern day tongues" are not based on physical or scriptual evidence.
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I know that's what you said.

I never said "tongues" in general are not scriptual. Of course tongues are scriptural but that was not what I wrote. This mislabeling of what I wrote is classic diversion. You cannot show the connection between New Testament tongues and modern day tongues so you simply change what I wrote and comment on that.
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"Modern day tongues" are tongues.

There is no physical evidence of modern day tongues being of supernatural origin, whether angelic or statanic. Its just babble.

There is no scriptual connection to modern day tongues and the Bible, whether Old or New Testament. Its just babble.
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You're repeating yourself.
 
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Noose said:
Nope.
There's no such thing as diversity of tongues if you don't understand the tongues. We know there's diversity of languages; Hindu is a complete language, with nouns/verbs/adverbs/pronouns e.t.c.
English/Greek/Hebrew, all have similar syntax and this is what we call diverse.
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You are insisting that one particularly limited sense of "diverse" is the only possible sense. If I read the term, "diversity of tongues" in any context, I would interpret it as "many different languages", not "broad vocabulary and well-developed syntactical structure within one language". I suspect most people would do the same.
 
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