False Believers

...cause if you believe you can't...you won't...since this is all about belief.

There are many false believers. I am afraid there may be many on this forum.
Anyone who believes in works for salvation is a false believer.
Anyone who believes they must maintain their salvation in some way is a false believer.
Anyone who believes that a born again believer can be unborn is a false believer.
Anyone who believes the Father will cast out a son is a false believer.

Ok, first let's clear up this nonsense:
I wasn't making the point that objective reality is contingent on belief.
I was only making the point that your CONCLUSIONS about reality are contingent on your belief.

People on YOUR side of this argument, with YOUR presuppositions, will agree with YOUR conclusions... but only because they share the same presuppositions.


I don't care what you believe, but...
If you want believe you can lose your salvation, that's fine; go ahead.

Believe whatever you want. No worries.

But if you want to come here and publicly teach it, and debate it... that's a different matter.

If you're going to show up here, and start preaching that everyone can lose their salvation... now you've made your beliefs everyone's business.



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Many can gain head knowledge about Jesus, and the scriptures that offer salvation. There is no saved (to whatever condition). Those are just want-to-be Christians. If you are chosen, you are the elect and you are given the Holy Spirit as confirmation. Of course, Satan comes as an angel of light to deceive many into thinking they are chosen.

2 Cor. 11:14 "And no marvel; for Satan himself is transformed into an angel of light."

How did you come up with this number? If you are relying on surveys or polls, they will simply mislead you. Only God knows who are His children by faith in Christ, and they will always be relatively few. I would not even hazard a guess.

Actually the first epistle of John clearly spells out the marks of false believers.

1. If we say that we have fellowship with him, and walk in darkness, we lie, and do not the truth (1:6)

2. And hereby we do know that we know him, if we keep his commandments. (2:3)

3. He that saith he is in the light, and hateth his brother, is in darkness even until now. (2:9)

4. Love not the world, neither the things that are in the world. If any man love the world, the love of the Father is not in him. (2:15)

5. Who is a liar but he that denieth that Jesus is the Christ? He is antichrist, that denieth the Father and the Son. (2:22)

6. If ye know that he is righteous, ye know that every one that doeth righteousness is born of him. (2:29)

There are many more, so it is up to every Christian to study this epistle and examine himself or herself.

You are right ...Mat 7v21 refers to christians, not any other religion. So many christians THINK they are right when they THINK they believe in ''jesus'.
This could not be further from the truth because UNfortunately there are MANY FALSE christs roaming christianity. HOW do people KNOW they are worshipping the TRUE one ? THEY DON'T ! since CHRISTIANS NEVER knew him ....following their own jesus sneaked in by the RCC.!

Even if we don't know the exact number there is evidence to show they are the MANY being MISLED and are persecuting the FEW who do follow the TRUE CHRIST .