GOD'S SABBATH AND THE REAL TRUTH OF COL 2:14-17 WHO DO WE BELIEVE GOD or MAN?

That text says all have sinned not all are sinning.

So you believe, believer always perfect, and David is not believer?

four laws mentioned here:


"the Law" -- obvious reference to the one given to Israel as the terms of the covenant made with them at Sinai
"law" -- sic, 'without law' -- regulation in abstract sense, non-specific
"the law of God" -- clearly not identical to the Law of Moses, as Paul is not under 'the Law' but is under 'the law of God'
"the law of Christ" -- the one that the apostle is actually under, includes him in 'the law of God' while he is simultaneously not under 'the Law' being free either to act as though he is under Moses or not to


re: "law of faith / law of works"

((it must be noted again, scripture does not break and separate "the Law" into parts like human tradition does. there is no Biblical basis for such a view, see for ex. Deut. 4:5, 4:13-14 -- it is one covenant, and one Law))

"the Law" is singular here. Paul ((and no one else in the Bible)) ever talks about the Law of Moses / Sinai / covenant given in the wilderness as though it is separable components.
that Law -- the whole Law -- is not based on faith. it is a law of works: "the one who does these things will live by them"

He does not believe that either. He believes and lives the New Covenant. GOD has put HIS Laws; HIS Word; His Christ in our hearts and in our mouths. That is the Faith in which we preach.

hey post, the above thing I said was not directed at you. somehow, part of yours ended up in there. new site glitch ??

Studyman please forgive me if I spoken out of turn in regards to you.

Gen. 26:4 And I will make thy seed to multiply as the stars of heaven, and will give unto thy seed all these countries; and in thy seed shall all the nations of the earth be blessed;
5 Because that Abraham obeyed my voice, and kept my charge, my commandments, my statutes, and my laws.
Gen. 12:1 Now the LORD had said unto Abram, Get thee out of thy country, and from thy kindred, and from thy father's house, unto a land that I will shew thee:

2 And (Then)I will make of thee a great nation, and I will bless thee, and make thy name great; and thou shalt be a blessing:
3 And I will bless them that bless thee, and curse him that curseth thee: and in thee shall all families of the earth be blessed.
4 So Abram departed, as the LORD had spoken unto him; and Lot went with him: and Abram was seventy and five years old when he departed out of Haran.
7 And Isaac spake unto Abraham his father, and said, My father: and he said, Here am I, my son. And he said, Behold the fire and the wood: but where is the lamb for a burnt offering?
8 And Abraham said, My son, God will provide himself a lamb for a burnt offering: so they went both of them together.
32 And ye shall know the truth, and the truth shall make you free
4 Ye have seen what I did unto the Egyptians, and how I bare you on eagles' wings, and brought you unto myself. (As God did for Abraham)
5 Now therefore, if ye will obey my voice indeed, and keep my covenant, then ye shall be a peculiar treasure unto me above all people: for all the earth is mine:

I think the point was David was sorry for his sin and repented. David was also punished for his sin by God.

All who continue in sin will also be punished come judgment day if they do not repent of their sins. Sin is breaking any of God's commandments and not believing and following God's word.

From what I understand here is that God's 4th commandment is one of the 10 Commandment and just like any other commandment if we break it we commit sin.

If God asks us to do somthing and we do not do it then is this faith?

Something to think about.

four laws mentioned here:

To the Jews I became as a Jew, so that I might win Jews; to those who are under the Law, as under the Law though not being myself under the Law, so that I might win those who are under the Law; to those who are without law, as without law, though not being without the law of God but under the law of Christ, so that I might win those who are without law.
(1 Corinthians 9:20-21)

"the Law" -- obvious reference to the one given to Israel as the terms of the covenant made with them at Sinai
"law" -- sic, 'without law' -- regulation in abstract sense, non-specific
"the law of God" -- clearly not identical to the Law of Moses, as Paul is not under 'the Law' but is under 'the law of God'
"the law of Christ" -- the one that the apostle is actually under, includes him in 'the law of God' while he is simultaneously not under 'the Law' being free either to act as though he is under Moses or not to

re: "law of faith / law of works"

((it must be noted again, scripture does not break and separate "the Law" into parts like human tradition does. there is no Biblical basis for such a view, see for ex. Deut. 4:5, 4:13-14 -- it is one covenant, and one Law))

The Law is not based on faith; on the contrary, it says, "The person who does these things will live by them."
(Galatians 3:12)

"the Law" is singular here. Paul ((and no one else in the Bible)) ever talks about the Law of Moses / Sinai / covenant given in the wilderness as though it is separable components.
that Law -- the whole Law -- is not based on faith. it is a law of works: "the one who does these things will live by them"

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The person you are cutting and pasting from doesn't understand or believe God's Covenant with Abraham. Nor do they understand the "LAW" that was "ADDED" 430 years later.

I find is fascinating that you preach we can't separate the Priesthood duties from "Love your neighbor as yourself", but you can preach the Word which became Flesh is different that Jesus.



God, not man, separates His Covenant with Abraham from His Commands specifically for the Levites over and over again.

Numbers 2:33 But the Levites were not numbered among the children of Israel; as the LORD commanded Moses.

Num. 3:5 And the LORD spake unto Moses, saying,
6 Bring the tribe of Levi near, and present them before Aaron the priest, that they may minister unto him.
7 And they shall keep his charge, and the charge of the whole congregation before the tabernacle of the congregation, to do the service of the tabernacle.
8 And they shall keep all the instruments of the tabernacle of the congregation, and the charge of the children of Israel, to do the service of the tabernacle.
9 And thou shalt give the Levites unto Aaron and to his sons: they are wholly given unto him out of the children of Israel.
10 And thou shalt appoint Aaron and his sons, and they shall wait on their priest's office: and the stranger that cometh nigh shall be put to death.
11 And the LORD spake unto Moses, saying,
12 And I, behold, I have taken the Levites from among the children of Israel instead of all the firstborn that openeth the matrix among the children of Israel: therefore the Levites shall be mine;

Paul understood this.

1 O foolish Galatians, who hath bewitched you, that ye should not obey the truth, before whose eyes Jesus Christ hath been evidently set forth, crucified among you?
2 This only would I learn of you, Received ye the Spirit by the works of the law, or by the hearing of faith?

10 For as many as are of the works of the law are under the curse: for it is written, Cursed is every one that continueth not in all things which are written in the book of the law to do them.

Am I forgiven because I Love the Lord with all my heart? Is that what Paul is speaking to here? Or are the Jews saying you can't be forgiven unless you submit to the Priesthood and it's "works of the Law" for remission of sins?

And if I am relying on the Priesthood, that Jesus promised to change in Jer. 31, then I am truly cursed. Because we have all been taught. 4 For it is not possible that the blood of bulls and of goats should take away sins.

Since I have already sinned, I am cursed because the Priesthood "works of the Law" can not justify me, so I must not transgress. But I have already transgressed. So "continuing in "all" things wouldn't save me even if I could do it. My past sins are still there and they curse me.

This chapter is speaking about the Priesthood "works of the Law" for remission of sins.

Gal. 3:
17 And this I say, that the covenant, that was confirmed before of God in Christ, the law, which was four hundred and thirty years after, cannot disannul, that it should make the promise of none effect.
18 For if the inheritance be of the law, (Because Abraham's sins were NOT forgiven by the duties of a Levitical Priesthood)it is no more of promise: but God gave it to Abraham by promise.

19 Wherefore then serveth the law? It was added because of transgressions, till the seed should come to whom the promise was made; and it was ordained by angels in the hand of a mediator.

It is a deception to preach God's Laws and Commandments that were given to Abraham and his children, can not be separated from the "Service of the Priesthood" the Pharisees couldn't let go.




Even this statement is ignorant of Paul's understanding.

Rom. 2:11 For there is no respect of persons with God.
12 For as many as have sinned without law shall also perish without law: and as many as have sinned in the law shall be judged by the law;

13 (For not the hearers of the law are just before God, but the doers of the law shall be justified.

Does this include the Service of the Priesthood? Are you really preaching that "Love the Lord with all your heart" is not a "LAW of Faith"?

How about purchasing the atonement of your sins with the best goat of your flock given to a Priesthood of a certain DNA. Would that be considered a "Law of Works"?

Jesus didn't give up on me Post, therefore, I'm not going to stop posting these truths. Somebody will see them and be encouraged in the Lord.

The person you are cutting and pasting from doesn't understand or believe God's Covenant with Abraham. Nor do they understand the "LAW" that was "ADDED" 430 years later.

I find is fascinating that you preach we can't separate the Priesthood duties from "Love your neighbor as yourself", but you can preach the Word which became Flesh is different that Jesus. .

on the mount of transfiguration , God the Father said " this is My beloved Son, in who I am well pleased . hear Him!

so, the N. T. command from the Father is we hear the Son. when did Jesus began to teach on the earth? when he was here as a man.

so see studyman, I do obey the Father. in fact, Jesus said Himself is the Work of God is to believe in the One He sent.

but, I fear that as long as you are trapped in your oneness mindset, you cannot grasp these things.

as I have told you before- I cannot throw out this Scripture to accept a man-made oneness religious lie.

as I have told you before- I cannot throw out this Scripture to accept a man-made oneness religious lie.

I am cut/pasting from the Bible.

The man's name is Paul the apostle.

So....

In turn i find it fascinating how you continue to slander so much without any hint of shame, even after so many times being called out on it and urged to act righteously. Yet you boast in it??

It's scatological.

And what did the Son tell you G9?

John 7:
14 Now about the midst of the feast Jesus went up into the temple, and taught.
15 And the Jews marvelled, saying, How knoweth this man letters, having never learned?

So what did He teach from G9? What were the "Letters". Do you preach Jesus taught from the Law and Prophets? Or was there some secret "letters" He taught from we have never seen?

16 Jesus answered them, and said, My doctrine is not mine, but his that sent me.

17 If any man will do his will, he shall know of the doctrine, whether it be of God, or whether I speak of myself.

Who taught Abraham God's Laws G9?

56 Your father Abraham rejoiced to see my day: and he saw it, and was glad.
57 Then said the Jews unto him, Thou art not yet fifty years old, and hast thou seen Abraham?

58 Jesus said unto them, Verily, verily, I say unto you, Before Abraham was, I am.

Must I also reject these Word's of Christ to belong to your religion?

Matt. 5:17 Think not that I am come to destroy the law, or the prophets: I am not come to destroy, but to fulfil.
18 For verily I say unto you, Till heaven and earth pass, one jot or one tittle shall in no wise pass from the law, till all be fulfilled.

Is this the same Beloved Son that God said to "Hear"?

Luke 16:
29 Abraham saith unto him, They have Moses and the prophets; let them hear them.
30 And he said, Nay, father Abraham: but if one went unto them from the dead, they will repent.

31 And he said unto him, If they hear not Moses and the prophets, neither will they be persuaded, though one rose from the dead.

Is this the same "Beloved Son" I am supposed to listen to, or do you preach another?



I have asked you before and you ignore me. But since you, once again, made the accusation, I'll ask again, can you please tell me "just one" Scripture I throw out to believe a lie?

Or is this just some more baseless ridicule and scorn Jesus warned me about.

"the Law" -- obvious reference to the one given to Israel as the terms of the covenant made with them at Sinai
"law" -- sic, 'without law' -- regulation in abstract sense, non-specific
"the law of God" -- clearly not identical to the Law of Moses, as Paul is not under 'the Law' but is under 'the law of God'
"the law of Christ" -- the one that the apostle is actually under, includes him in 'the law of God' while he is simultaneously not under 'the Law' being free either to act as though he is under Moses or not to

These are words of someone else, Not Paul. You can attribute them to him, but they are not Paul's words, unless this is a scripture from some other Bible I have never seen. If you can give me the name of the Bible these scriptures come from, and the Author of the scriptures, that would help. But I don't find them in any translation I have studied.

Just because the Levites are separated to be priests doesn't make Sinai two Covenants or two Laws.

It ain't even worth spending all the hours to correct you.

God calls it one Law. One Covenant. You call it two. *shrug*

member: 75543"]a quick broad answer- I believe that the N.T. and the O.T. are different. you seem not to. you think that the Pharisees were Satanists , Peter said in Acts that the " jews and their leaders crucified Christ out of ignorance."

so, when I read that God instructed Israel in the O.T. not to make treaties with the other nations around them. and Jesus said " go into all the nations... these are not the same.

the same greek word for law is used 190 or so times in the N.T. not different words for different laws. the Law means the Law. you say it means different laws,.

eye for an eye. turn the other cheek. not the same. you say they are.

so, I cannot disbelieve all things and words and meanings of those words to accept oneness.