Exactly who is Jesus Christ? Important! Part 1.

WHO REALLY IS JESUS CHRIST? IS JESUS CHRIST GOD? (PART 1):
One of the MOST ABSURD things I hear often is people trying to PROVE that Jesus is not God! The people in question are not from other religions. They are Christians. OBVIOUSLY, these ones do NOT PROPERLY UNDERSTAND the ROOT and FOUNDATION of their SALVATION and that DENYING that Jesus is GOD means UPROOTING the very ROOT and DESTROYING the very FOUNDATION on which their CLAIM to SALVATION is HINGED! HOW do I mean!
The Bible states: “Fathers shall not be PUT to DEATH for their children, nor shall children be PUT to DEATH for their fathers; A PERSON shall be PUT to DEATH for his own SIN.” (Deuteronomy 24:16)
And again: “But EVERY ONE shall DIE for his OWN INIQUITY; every man who eats the sour grapes, his teeth shall be set on edge.” (Jeremiah 31:30)
The Bible also says: “…The SOUL who SINS shall DIE.” (Ezekiel 18:4)
By so saying, it means that God PROHIBITS anyone DYING for the SIN of another! By DIVINE LAW, no man or woman can DIE for another!
In the book of Psalms, there is even a BETTER EXPLAINATION to this effect. It says: “Those who trust in their wealth and boast in the multitude of their riches, NONE of them can BY ANY MEANS REDEEM his brother, nor give to God a RANSOM for him- for the REDEMPTION of their SOULS is costly, and it shall cease forever- that he should continue to LIVE ETERNALLY, and not see the Pit.” (Psalm 49:6-9)
TAKE NOTE of the clause, “BY ANY MEANS REDEEM his brother.” This shows that it is IMPOSSIBLE to SAVE the SOUL of another person BY ANY MEANS whatsoever and by anyone so that the person so SAVED can LIVE forever.
This being the case, why then does the Bible tell us that Jesus DIED not just for one person, not just for a hundred people, not just for a million people but for BILLIONS of people? HOW could Jesus have DIED for the WHOLE WORLD made up of BILLIONS of people if NO ONE can REDEEM the SOUL of just ONE PERSON by DYING for them?
The TRUTH many Christians do not know is that God commanded and made a law that no one can DIE for another and that no one can REDEEM another person so they can LIVE ETERNALLY. Because many Christians do not know this truth, they have never ASKED, “HOW could Jesus DIE to SAVE, not just me, but BILLIONS of people?” The ANSWER to this QUESTION UNRAVELS the very REASON why Jesus could DIE for not just ONE PERSON but ALL MEN. But more than that, it is the UNDENIABLE PROOF that Jesus is GOD! HOW?
First, the Bible says about Melchizedek: “…without Father, without mother, without genealogy, having NEITHER BEGINNING of DAYS nor END of LIFE, but made LIKE the SON OF GOD, remains a priest continually.” (Hebrews 7:3)
In other words, Jesus, the SON of God of whom Melchizedek was made LIKE, has NEITHER BEGINNING of DAYS nor END of LIFE. In speaking of Jesus also, the Bible states: “…one who has become a priest not on the basis of a regulation as to His ancestry but on the basis of POWER of an INDESTRUCTIBLE LIFE.” (Hebrews 7:16; NIV)
In other words, Jesus does NOT have BEGINNING of DAYS. He does NOT have END of LIFE. And these are only POSSIBLE because He has POWER of INDESTRUCTIBLE LIFE. In this case, if you were to CALCULATE the TOTAL SUM of the LIFE-SPANS of BILLIONS of people, if you were to CALCULATE the TOTAL SUM of the LIFE-SPANS of even a TRILLION people, it does NOT EQUAL the LIFE SPAN of Jesus Christ! Why no man can DIE for another because they do not POSSESS the PREREQUISITE RIGHTEOUSNESS to do SO, Jesus does. (See Revelation chapter 5.) The Bible says of Jesus, “…A scepter of RIGHTEOUSNESS is the scepter of your kingdom. You have loved righteousness and hated lawlessness…” (Hebrews 1:8)
Although it is a DIVINE LAW that no one should be put to DEATH for the SIN of another, that no one can REDEEM the SOUL of another whatsoever is because every man FALLS SHORT of the RIGHTEOUSNESS required to do so: “For ALL have SINNED and FALL SHORT of the glory of God,” so says Romans 3:23. But not Jesus Christ! This is FIRST and FOREMOST what QUALIFIES Jesus to DIE for another man. That Jesus has NO BEGINNING of DAYS and END of LIFE and possesses the POWER of INDESTRUCTIBLE LIFE is the SECOND REASON that QUALIFIES Jesus to DIE for BILLIONS and if need be TRILLIONS of people. This means that the ABILITY of Jesus to procure ETERNAL SALVATION for ALL MEN who believe and receive Him is HINGED on: (1) His SINLESSNESS, (2) His having neither BEGINNING nor END of Life and (3) His POSSESSION of POWER of INDESTRUCTIBLE LIFE.
But then, there is ONLY one LIFE-GIVING BEING who is SINLESS, has neither BEGINNING of DAYS nor END of LIFE, and POSSESSES POWER of INDESTRUCTIBLE LIFE! That “BEING” is GOD and GOD alone. Having neither BEGINNING of DAYS nor END of LIFE and POSSESSION of POWER of INDESTRUCTIBLE LIFE is one of the CHARACTERISTICS of GODHOOD. In other words, anyone who possesses these CHARACTERISTICS is GOD.
Since our SALVATION is HINGED on Jesus HAVING neither BEGINNING of DAYS nor END of LIFE and POSSESSING the POWER of INDESTRUCTIBLE LIFE, any DENIAL of the GODHOOD of Jesus is a DENIAL of one’s SALVATION! Those who DENY that Jesus is GOD, unknown to them, EXCLUDE themselves from the SALVATION WORK of Jesus! If Jesus is NOT God, then He couldn’t have DIED for them because He wouldn’t have POSSESSED what it takes to DIE for not just one person but the WHOLE WORLD! There are other HIDDEN EVIDENCES from the SCRIPTURE that PROVE that Jesus is God. These are the EVIDENCES: (To be continued)
The Lord be with your spirit!

(Pastor Charles Ikoro)

Yay, another person here to post long ranting messages At people. We don't already have enough of those.

This is something we will spend eternity trying to figure out. After all, Jesus is infinite and neither all understandings together will manage to get this inside them.

You didn't provide your own answer to your OP but just provided another cut-& paste that very few will even bother to read or consider. You provide your own perception on WHO REALLY IS JESUS CHRIST and I will give you my estimation.

Hello to you all. It is strange that noone "bothers" to read a post that is about such an important question. As a matter of fact, I agree with the person that has written this, so if you would read, I would be happy to discuss it further. Do you agree, or disagree with what is written, and why?

John 17:3-
And this is life eternal, that they might know thee the only true God, and Jesus Christ, whom thou hast sent.

You should know Him now, aswell, and I hope you do read this post, and the other one, -
and if you would want to discuss if you agree or not, I would be happy to hear!

Yes, thank you, for your reply. This post includes the most important question, does it not? - It does not matter if you have enough of "those", I do hope you read the post, and the other one.

If you do not "bother" reading the post, I would ask you to please leave comments for people that are actually interested in reading and discussing.
Thank you!

NewChapter: Welcome to CC.

Picture this: you’re sitting in a college lunchroom chatting with some friends and acquaintances about matters of mutual interest and concern. A stranger comes in, sits at your table, and in a quiet moment launches into a ten-minute sermon about ‘a matter of great importance’... to him. When half the table gets up to leave, he berates them for their wonky priorities, not considering the egregious breach of social protocol he has just committed.

You are that stranger.

Don’t be that guy.

Chill... you aren’t the only knowledgeable person here and you certainly haven’t been around long enough to be preaching at us.

Remember, if you come in swinging, don’t be surprised if people swing back. We’re generally good folks, but we don’t suffer fools kindly.

Ok, Dino, I deem this as such an important question, and this is indeed a longer post, but still an important question.

The difference, also, in your pictured scenario, is that we are pictured already engaged in a random conversation. This is not the case, here. I am the one starting the conversation, with a question, - and you are the ones replying, so your pictured scenario is off, and does not fit this occasion.

In this case, I am not that stranger. I am asking a question, - with a post, and I forgot to mention that I would be happy to discuss if one agree, or not. So if you do not "bother", reading, my friend, that's ok.

But your comparison is still off, - this is a forum, and I am asking an important question.

Thank you.

The question asked was important but the thing is there are a lot of things that one can chose to read. Regardless, I will read your OP and answer your question.

God so loved the world that He gave His only begotten son that those that believed on Him would not perish but have everlasting life.

There are many instances where one can die for another, there is no divine law against it. There is reference in the NT that a man may indeed give his life for a good man.

Jesus Christ to me is my Lord and Savior who paid the penalty for my sins by His shed blood dying on the cross so that I may have eternal life with God.

In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God and the Word was God and the Word was with God from the beginning. Jesus Christ is the Word.

What you provided is really basic spiritual guidance. Most of the members here fully understand this and have for years. There is milk and there is meat. Again, most members here have moved beyond the most basic salvation principal but I do appreciate your taking the time to provide what you did in the rare event that someone may be lacking understanding in this basic principal in regards to obtaining eternal life.

This is my estimation.

You have to separate and handle two different thought. Jesus as a historical person that lived and walked around in Israel/Palestine. And Jesus Christ the Messiah. Son of God and our saviour.

Your entry offers valuable thoughts but it doesn't really open up for anyone else's view. And most of us have a personal relationship to Jesus and is in agreement.

If you want to write a long entry to empty your heart, why don't you start to write a blog here? It is less provoking to post long first posts that are not really welcoming other opinions in your own blog and you really have the chance to go in depth presenting your thoughts.

I do believe, though, it is wise to listen before speaking in a forum like this. There are many gifted people of knowledge and wisdom here and if you had read some of the threads, you would have perhaps got an insight how to be accepted and becoming a vital member of this community.

I wish you welcome, and hope you will find a way of expressing yourself and interacting with other people here.

There is nothing in question here. The bible says all the fulness of the Father is in the Son- that would include His Deity (God-ness). In speaking of Christ it also says, "Wonderful Counselor, Prince of Peace, Almighty God is He."

You're right, when I think about it, there is nothing in question here, - and I was mostly curious as to others thoughts on this matter. Can I ask you a question, and the ones that read may feel free to reply as well, -

I have heard the word Trinity, about God, as if He is three persons, and not one GOD in three. What is your opinion when it comes to this?

I am asking this:

What is the name of God?
Who is He?

What is the name of the Father?
What is the name of the Son?
What is the name of the Holy Spirit?
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Who is the Father?
Who is the Son?
Who is the Holy Spirit?

- if I bring to you this, from the Bible:

Matthew 28:19

19 Go ye therefore, and teach all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost:

If I come to you, and ask you to baptize me, - What would you say before putting me under water?

It is an important question, but that still doesn't require anyone to read a monologue, much less respond to it. Just as there are effective ways of drawing people into face-to-face conversation, there are effective ways of drawing people into online discussion. Given that it is such an important question, perhaps it's worthwhile learning how to draw an audience so you can ask your question, instead of inadvertently pushing people away before they are willing to "listen".

With that in mind, let me offer some additional tips:

Writing in ALL CAPS is the internet equivalent of shouting. Perhaps you shout when you preach; personally I don't care for that style, and I usually ignore posts where it is overused.

Breaking your post into brief paragraphs of about 4-6 lines makes it much more readable, and therefore more likely that people will read and respond to it.

Writing a monologue, promising to continue it, and starting another thread on the same subject is a sure way to confuse the issue. Where are readers to respond? Here, or there? Are they to address issues in this thread that are raised in the other thread? In other words, you could have kept the whole conversation in one thread.

I don't write these things to be a jerk; I made a few mistakes in my early days on forums. Pussyfooting around won't help you learn to be a respected contributor.

Now, to your question... yes, Jesus Christ is God.

Hello, Dino.

I did not do a great job in making the post a readable post, and must admit that I was a little to quick with posting it, and I have not figured out how to make an edit, as of yet, if there is also a time limit on doing this?

Thank you for your advice, - and your answer. I am also curious on how some read this verse in Matthew 28:19, - if you have an answer?


Matthew 28:19
Go ye therefore, and teach all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost:

Do you agree that the name of the Father, Son and the Holy Ghost is Jesus?

As there are three separate entities that comprise one God I believe that each has their own unique name. Interesting question though that merits further study and consideration.

I would say to you to hold your breath.

I think this is a poor understanding of basic grammar, a poor understanding of new testament scripture, a poor understanding of basic exegetical principles... leading to a heterodox understanding of certain doctrines of the trinity.

However, as long as someone believes Jesus is God incarnate, and they are trusting only in him for salvation... then that person is still my brother in Christ.



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I am asking this question, because it here says to baptize them in the name of the Father, Son, and Holy Ghost. What is this name?