1 John 4 and baptism.

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1 John 4 (KJV)
4 Beloved, believe not every spirit, but try the spirits whether they are of God: because many false prophets are gone out into the world.
2 Hereby know ye the Spirit of God: Every spirit that confesseth that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh is of God:
3 And every spirit that confesseth not that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh is not of God: and this is that spirit of antichrist, whereof ye have heard that it should come; and even now already is it in the world.
4 Ye are of God, little children, and have overcome them: because greater is he that is in you, than he that is in the world.
5 They are of the world: therefore speak they of the world, and the world heareth them.
6 We are of God: he that knoweth God heareth us; he that is not of God heareth not us. Hereby know we the spirit of truth, and the spirit of error.


Hello! How do you read this, and what is Your understanding of what you read?

What is the name of God?
Who is He?

What is the name of the Father?
What is the name of the Son?
What is the name of the Holy Spirit?
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Who is the Father?
Who is the Son?
Who is the Holy Spirit?

- if I bring to you this, from the Bible:

Matthew 28:19

19 Go ye therefore, and teach all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost:

If I come to you, and ask you to baptize me, - how would you do it?

Hope to get some responses.

Best regards from NewChapter.
 

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1 John 4 (KJV)
4 Beloved, believe not every spirit, but try the spirits whether they are of God: because many false prophets are gone out into the world.
2 Hereby know ye the Spirit of God: Every spirit that confesseth that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh is of God:
3 And every spirit that confesseth not that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh is not of God: and this is that spirit of antichrist, whereof ye have heard that it should come; and even now already is it in the world.
4 Ye are of God, little children, and have overcome them: because greater is he that is in you, than he that is in the world.
5 They are of the world: therefore speak they of the world, and the world heareth them.
6 We are of God: he that knoweth God heareth us; he that is not of God heareth not us. Hereby know we the spirit of truth, and the spirit of error.


Hello! How do you read this, and what is Your understanding of what you read?

What is the name of God?
Who is He?

What is the name of the Father?
What is the name of the Son?
What is the name of the Holy Spirit?
-
Who is the Father?
Who is the Son?
Who is the Holy Spirit?

- if I bring to you this, from the Bible:

Matthew 28:19

19 Go ye therefore, and teach all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost:

If I come to you, and ask you to baptize me, - how would you do it?

Hope to get some responses.

Best regards from NewChapter.
It may help to understand exactly what is meant by the term"εἰς τὸ ὄνομα" - "into the name of." In the classical style of the first century language, the phrase "εἰς τὸ ὄνομα" - "into the name of," was often used as a legal term. This expression is found among ancient legal documents that recorded the transfer of property. If one purchased a section of land or a dwelling for example, a title transfer would be drawn up to show that this property was now εἰς τὸ ὄνομα - in the name of - the new owner. When Jesus commanded his disciples to preach the gospel to every creature and "baptize them into the name of the Father, Son, and the Holy Spirit," what he is commanding them to do is to baptize them into the possession of God. Christians are the objects of a property transfer - "out of the kingdom of darkness and into his marvelous light." Baptism then is a property transfer. This same language is used in Acts 2:38 Peter commanded those present to be baptized ἐν τῷ ὀνόματι - "into the name of" - thus into the possession of Jesus Christ. This was for a two-fold purpose
1. For the removal of sin - Spiritual circumcision, Colossians 2:9-13.
2. To receive the gift of the Holy Spirit. He is the seal of the transfer of property, Ephesians 4:30, 1Corinthians 6:19-20. He is the seal of ownership to show that we have been bought with a price.
 
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1 John 4 (KJV)
4 Beloved, believe not every spirit, but try the spirits whether they are of God: because many false prophets are gone out into the world.
2 Hereby know ye the Spirit of God: Every spirit that confesseth that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh is of God:
3 And every spirit that confesseth not that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh is not of God: and this is that spirit of antichrist, whereof ye have heard that it should come; and even now already is it in the world.
4 Ye are of God, little children, and have overcome them: because greater is he that is in you, than he that is in the world.
5 They are of the world: therefore speak they of the world, and the world heareth them.
6 We are of God: he that knoweth God heareth us; he that is not of God heareth not us. Hereby know we the spirit of truth, and the spirit of error.


Hello! How do you read this, and what is Your understanding of what you read?

What is the name of God?
Who is He?

What is the name of the Father?
What is the name of the Son?
What is the name of the Holy Spirit?
-
Who is the Father?
Who is the Son?
Who is the Holy Spirit?

- if I bring to you this, from the Bible:

Matthew 28:19

19 Go ye therefore, and teach all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost:

If I come to you, and ask you to baptize me, - how would you do it?

Hope to get some responses.

Best regards from NewChapter.

To baptize with or of the Spirit is to make holy or purify .(new creation) It is expressed with the cleansing water of the word or the doctrines of God, water representing the work of the Spirit (unseen)

Ephesians 5:25-27 King James Version (KJV)25 Husbands, love your wives, even as Christ also loved the church, and gave himself for it;That he might sanctify and cleanse it with the washing of water by the word, That he might present it to himself a glorious church, not having spot, or wrinkle, or any such thing; but that it should be holy and without blemish.

God does the baptizing( making holy as a new creature) we bring the gospel in a hope he will apply it . It's how beautiful are the feet no the tongue.

Washing of the feet with the water of the word (doctrines of God) represents receiving the gospel .

John 13:8Peter saith unto him, Thou shalt never wash my feet. Jesus answered him, If I wash thee not, thou hast no part with me.
 
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To baptize with or of the Spirit is to make holy or purify .(new creation) It is expressed with the cleansing water of the word or the doctrines of God, water representing the work of the Spirit (unseen)

Ephesians 5:25-27 King James Version (KJV)25 Husbands, love your wives, even as Christ also loved the church, and gave himself for it;That he might sanctify and cleanse it with the washing of water by the word, That he might present it to himself a glorious church, not having spot, or wrinkle, or any such thing; but that it should be holy and without blemish.

God does the baptizing( making holy as a new creature) we bring the gospel in a hope he will apply it . It's how beautiful are the feet no the tongue.

Washing of the feet with the water of the word (doctrines of God) represents receiving the gospel .

John 13:8Peter saith unto him, Thou shalt never wash my feet. Jesus answered him, If I wash thee not, thou hast no part with me.

Can I ask you this?

What is the name of God?
Who is He?

What is the name of the Father?
What is the name of the Son?
What is the name of the Holy Spirit?
-
Who is the Father?
Who is the Son?
Who is the Holy Spirit?

- if I bring to you this, from the Bible:

Matthew 28:19

19 Go ye therefore, and teach all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost:

If I come to you, and ask you to baptize me, - What would you say before putting me under water?



Best regards from NewChapter
 
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Name has to do with authority. God does not have a name as we do today. All of His names speak of his immutable authority as one authority. To include His name is Jealous. Again we are washed with the "water of the word" the doctrines of God.

Below in the book or chapter of the whole book in Revelation the voice of many waters or the whole word of God from Genesis through the book of Revelation. It is sealed up till the end of time represented by the fact we are sealed with that seal . No adding or subtracting from it.

Mount used to represent kingdoms or denominations it is used in respect to the word Sion the heavenly city not seen as a Christian city coming down from heaven prepared as His bride the church . The fathers name is in respect to the word of God as the mind of Christ (forehead) . Again water is used to represent the unseen work of the Holy Spirit. God is one, not many gods.
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Revelation 14 King James Version (KJV) 14 And I looked, and, lo, a Lamb stood on the mount Sion, and with him an hundred forty and four thousand, having his Father's name written in their foreheads.2 And I heard a voice from heaven, as the voice of many waters, and as the voice of a great thunder: and I heard the voice of harpers harping with their harps:

I would say trust in the lord not seen with all your heart soul and mind, and not the private interpreations of men. He warns us of those who say we do need a man seen to teach us informing us it is the mark of the antichrists.