Oh goody another OSAS thread!

Non- osas don't believe they are born again children of God, and therefore must work their way to heaven.

See. 2 can play that game! Difference is, my post is a little more accurate than the previous poster.

So lets instead all think we can earn our salvation, and deny te promises of christ?

I actually hate the term osas, i like the words security, rest, eternal life, seal of the spirit, never hunger or thist, never die, will be risen on the last day, to be absent is to be present, perfected forever,

This is self contradictory. But OSAS believers do not believe you can sin all you want.

Why do you think that to believe you can stop believing (and so forfeit that which believing secures) automatically and without exception means you're living in fear? Unless you mean the healthy kind of fear of being removed from the vine which Paul talks about in Romans 11.


"...you stand by your faith. Do not be conceited, but fear; for if God did not spare the natural branches, He will not spare you, either."-Romans 11:20-21.


Don't you have the fear Paul is talking about? Not the fear that you will stop believing, but the fear of what will happen if you do.

Some do. You need to open your eyes and see how the teaching that grace is a license to sin lie has crept unawares into the church.

Many, many people are rejecting traditional once saved always belief that says the true believer will not continue in his old life and are believing that the true believer can live in his old life and even fall back into unbelief in a denial of Christ, and they will still be saved (centuries of traditional belief has been that this person was never saved to begin with). It's called 'Hypergrace', or 'Freegrace' doctrine. Read this:


The Free Grace doctrine views the person's character and life after receiving the gift of salvation as independent from the gift itself, which is the main point of differentiation from the traditional Calvinist view, or, in other words, it asserts that justification (that is, being declared righteous before God on account of Christ) does not necessarily result in sanctification (that is, a progressively more righteous life). Charles Stanley, pastor of Atlanta's megachurch First Baptist and a television evangelist, has written that the doctrine of eternal security of the believer persuaded him years ago to leave his familial Pentecostalism and become a Southern Baptist. He sums up his deep conviction that salvation is by faith alone in Christ alone when he claims, "Even if a believer for all practical purposes becomes an unbeliever, his salvation is not in jeopardy… believers who lose or abandon their faith will retain their salvation."

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Perseverance_of_the_saints#Free_Grace_doctrine



This horrible doctrine has crept in unawares into the church, just as the Bible says it did before:


"...I felt the necessity to write to you appealing that you contend earnestly for the faith which was once for all handed down to the saints. 4For certain persons have crept in unnoticed, those who were long beforehand marked out for this condemnation, ungodly persons who turn the grace of our God into licentiousness and deny our only Master and Lord, Jesus Christ."-Jude 1:3-4


Even hard core Calvinists have not noticed this 'new' once saved always saved doctrine emerging in the church. It seems to slip the notice of them simply because of it's 'once saved always saved' label. The thinking seems to be 'if it believes in once saved always saved then it's good', not realizing it completely and utterly contradicts their traditional Calvinist doctrine.

Yes, the warning "Do not be deceived" has slipped right past the majority of people in the church.

Freegrace doctrine is sweeping unabated and virtually unchallenged through the church. I'm of the opinion that this is the last great falling away prophesied before Jesus' return. Many are being swept up in it. Many.

At this time, though, I'm seeing a jumbled up mix between the old and the new once saved always doctrines........in on-line forums it depends on which thread the person is participating in at the time as to which they will defend.

From the 35,000 ft. view, traditional once saved always saved was the necessary precursor for the enemy to eventually get the church to swallow the lie that they can go back to unbelief and a denial of Christ and still be saved. It's been a progression of increasing corruption in doctrine in the church, which helps explain how this latest assault of 'grace is a license to sin' doctrine has 'crept in unawares' into the church.

You see it too.

That's right, but we get called all kinds of names for trying.

Only a few will hear and respond. I do it for the few that Jesus said will find the narrow road that leads to life--the life based on "faith expressing itself through love", the faith that justifies. My reward is just that, the salvation of the few. And I'm good with that.

Grace was not free, it cost alot, the life and humiliation and death Of christ.

I wish you would stop mocking that grace by claiming it must be earned,

You're sinning all you want and you're still going to make it to Heaven. I say that respectfully because you know you're not perfect in thought and deed and the Lord is sanctifying you, yet you also know that sin is a choice. Your belief that OSAS believers think they can sin all they want is them expressing the logical conclusion of saved by grace through faith. Yet also, is such a question addressed in scripture. How are we who are dead to sin, live therein? Likewise the OSAS proponents do not encourage, endorse, suggest, or affirm a hedonist lifestyle or a pursuit of a sinful life (licentiousness).

You're making a false correlation. Once saved always saved doctrine doesn't translate to a sinful life, because it is God's grace that breaks sin's dominion in our lives.