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JaumeJ

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All who are saved by the Blood of the Lamb understand the message of Psalm 32........we are all blessed because God does not impute the guilt of our transgressions against us. All of the Word is grace by mercy from faith.

I wish to clarify the issue about the law. It consists of 613 rules contained in the Torah. Keep in mind what Jesus said about the law.

Matthew 5:17 to 20 NIV

The Fulfillment of the Law
17 “Do not think that I have come to abolish the Law or the Prophets; I have not come to abolish them but to fulfill them. 18 For truly I tell you, until heaven and earth disappear, not the smallest letter, not the least stroke of a pen, will by any means disappear from the Law until everything is accomplished. 19 Therefore anyone who sets aside one of the least of these commands and teaches others accordingly will be called least in the kingdom of heaven, but whoever practices and teaches these commands will be called great in the kingdom of heaven. 20 For I tell you that unless your righteousness surpasses that of the Pharisees and the teachers of the law, you will certainly not enter the kingdom of heaven.

With this being the case we ALL are under the law. Since sin is transgression of the law acknowledging we all sin shows that the law is in effect. What Jesus accomplished on the cross is to remove the penalty of sinning from those who accept Him as savior. For those who reject Jesus they are under the full penalty of the law.
 

JohnTalmid

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To this point you have an excellent word study!



This seems to be a non-sequitur! How do you make this work?

In both Luke 22:20 and in 1Cor 11:25 The word New in the phrase New Testament is the Greek καινὴ which is unambiguously NEW.

In Jer 31:31 The word NEW in the phrase New Covenant is חֲדָשָֽׁה which is unambiguously NEW.
Both the Aramaic, "khawdata" and Hebrew, "chadasha" means renewed as in Psalm 51:10 ish... "renew a right spirit within me", Lam. 5:21 "renew our days as of old". Chadash can also be, "repair" as in Isaiah 61:4 ish, "repair the waste places. "
Successive Greek theologians (like Marcion) replaced the meaning and importance of, "Renewed Covenant" with the term, "New Testament" and made a division of "Old and New" Testaments.
 

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MarcR,
re: "You make an excellent point but you could have made it as well with 20% of the words used. "

And couldn't you have made your point by simply referencing Nehemiah's post #4638 without quoting the whole thing?
 

JohnTalmid

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Both the Aramaic, "khawdata" and Hebrew, "chadasha" means renewed as in Psalm 51:10 ish... "renew a right spirit within me", Lam. 5:21 "renew our days as of old". Chadash can also be, "repair" as in Isaiah 61:4 ish, "repair the waste places. "
Successive Greek theologians (like Marcion) replaced the meaning and importance of, "Renewed Covenant" with the term, "New Testament" and made a division of "Old and New" Testaments.
These three witness testify that the word Chadash should be translated as renewed. Now I have no reason to doubt that their are new aspects of the covenant as it was not mediated originally through the Messiah. Not that He wasn't present in the Covenant. The High Priest was in charge of following the Instructions given for the benefit of the People of the covenant through the blood. The instruction, aka Word of Elohim is the Messiah Yahshua just in Word form. Today we have this revelation and the actual son of YHWH. We have the testimony of the son Man Yahshua who testified that the Instructions are justified, Useful for correction and living the abundant life in Messiah.

Here their are 613 commandments, not just 10. Even so they are not burdensome if you observe the least of them in Messiah.
Example
Deu. 8:10 to give thanks to YHWH after meals.
Is common practice today at the beginning of a meal.
How about offering only unblemished sacrifices Le.22:21. "If you are at the alter with your sacrifice and remember you have wronged your neighbor leave your sacrifice and go make it right with your neighbor first because Elohim won't be able to receive the sacrifice before you do this.

The Instructions apply today more than they could as just the letter. The letter could not change the heart of the believer only show his guilt and need for redemption. Now we can approach then they couldn't. Approach flippantly and be warned Elohim is not mocked.
 

DiscipleDave

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Originally Posted by DiscipleDave

This is well said, concerning animal Sacrifices.

You say above But animal sacrifices will start up again in Jerusalem when the 3rd Temple is built during the 7 year peace agreement between the Jews and the Muslims. Remember the Jews do not believe Jesus was the Messiah, they are still waiting for Him to return. So when they build their Temple, they will start animal sacrifices again. This appalls the whole world, and many turn against them.


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DiscipleDave
Eschatology (end times) is a difficult to interpret part of scripture.
It is apparent that you think interpretations belong to men. And disregard Scriptures that teach interpretations belong to God.

There is a reason for the four seperate different Biblical versions of it.
True, that reason is most certainly men took it upon themselves to try to interpret the Word of God. There is ONLY ONE Truth, and that is what God reveals to whom God will reveal it.

Daniel and Revelation are written with a lot of symbolism. Thus making it hidden and impossible to correctly interpret what it says before it happens.
Yet again, you reveal you do not know and understand Scriptures, is it not written that all things are possible to them that believe? Is it not written if you ask, you will receive if you Truly believe you will receive it? Is it not written when two ask Him of something He will do it? You do error in thinking God does not reveal to whom God reveals.

Tell me, Do you believe Scriptures or no? Do you believe the following verse or not?

Amo_3:7 Surely the Lord GOD will do nothing, but he revealeth his secret unto his servants the prophets.

Does God reveal His secrets to His servants or not like Scriptures says He does. Or are you one of those who believe the false doctrine that prophets don't exist any more?

Interpretations belong to God not to men. i know what is going to happen in the future, not because i believe in one of the four eschatologyical views, not because i have interpreted anything at all. i know what is going to happen in the future, because it is what God has told me is going to happen, what God revealed to me is going to happen, what God has shown me is going to happen. my interpretation not needed.

Since they were written there have been many attempts to say what was happening was its fulfillment.
All these attempts were coming from interpretations of men, correct?

So far all have been proved wrong because of the complete fulfillment hasn't happened.
They have been proven wrong because they were interpretation that came from men. What God reveals to someone is never wrong.

Therefore the four Biblical versions remain.
There are 4 Biblical versions that men have interpreted. And then there is what God reveals to His servants.

Which version are you pushing?
Easy, the one God told me is going to happen.

Here are a couple of sites discussing the 4 main eschatologyical views. Notice some have minor variations.
lol, as if one of those 4 interpretations of men is going to outdo what God told me. Do you have ears yet do not hear what i am saying. If God has told me what is going to happen in the future, what need would i have to see what men are teaching is going to happen in the future? i know what is going to happen in the future, God told me. For some reason you read what i am saying but it is not registering with you.

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It is apparent that you think interpretations belong to men. And disregard Scriptures that teach interpretations belong to God.



True, that reason is most certainly men took it upon themselves to try to interpret the Word of God. There is ONLY ONE Truth, and that is what God reveals to whom God will reveal it.



Yet again, you reveal you do not know and understand Scriptures, is it not written that all things are possible to them that believe? Is it not written if you ask, you will receive if you Truly believe you will receive it? Is it not written when two ask Him of something He will do it? You do error in thinking God does not reveal to whom God reveals.

Tell me, Do you believe Scriptures or no? Do you believe the following verse or not?

Amo_3:7 Surely the Lord GOD will do nothing, but he revealeth his secret unto his servants the prophets.

Does God reveal His secrets to His servants or not like Scriptures says He does. Or are you one of those who believe the false doctrine that prophets don't exist any more?

Interpretations belong to God not to men. i know what is going to happen in the future, not because i believe in one of the four eschatologyical views, not because i have interpreted anything at all. i know what is going to happen in the future, because it is what God has told me is going to happen, what God revealed to me is going to happen, what God has shown me is going to happen. my interpretation not needed.



All these attempts were coming from interpretations of men, correct?



They have been proven wrong because they were interpretation that came from men. What God reveals to someone is never wrong.



There are 4 Biblical versions that men have interpreted. And then there is what God reveals to His servants.



Easy, the one God told me is going to happen.



lol, as if one of those 4 interpretations of men is going to outdo what God told me. Do you have ears yet do not hear what i am saying. If God has told me what is going to happen in the future, what need would i have to see what men are teaching is going to happen in the future? i know what is going to happen in the future, God told me. For some reason you read what i am saying but it is not registering with you.

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DiscipleDave
Since you are such a genius at explaining the scriptures please explain how the THEOLOGIANS for CENTURIES have been unable to come to a single version of eschatology and settled on 4 seperate Biblical versions?? To me your ego is getting in your way of understanding scripture correctly. I am 73 years old and heard others like you rant before about being the person who understood what the Bible said in Daniel and Revelation. All had their pronouncements go down in flames. Take your turn now. You ignore that both books are full of symbology that can only be understood after the fact like the statue in Daniel!! It is true that scripture helps explain other parts of scripture but that doesn't hold true for all scripture. Prove me wrong by pointing to the scriptures associated with the statue in Daniel. Eschatology is an area where this failed. There is very little end times scripture outside of the two books. A few verses spoken by Jesus and very few verses elsewhere in the New Testament.

Expound away please. Let your brilliance shine forth.
 

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May we all have a Blessed and Restful Sabbath in GOD’s Grace.

All glory to our Heavenly Father and our Lord and Saviour.
 

Shamah

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May we all have a Blessed and Restful Sabbath in GOD’s Grace.

All glory to our Heavenly Father and our Lord and Saviour.
[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]Psalm 118:24, “This is the day [/FONT][FONT=Times New Roman, serif]יהוה [/FONT][FONT=Times New Roman, serif]has made, Let us rejoice and be glad in it.”[/FONT]
 

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Psalm 118:29, "Give thanks to יהוה, for He is righteous! For His loving-commitment is everlasting."
 

DiscipleDave

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Since you are such a genius at explaining the scriptures please explain how the THEOLOGIANS for CENTURIES have been unable to come to a single version of eschatology and settled on 4 seperate Biblical versions??


i am not a genius, but He who told me these things is the TRUTH. You are asking me to explain to you the minds of men, these theologians? Seriously?

To me your ego is getting in your way of understanding scripture correctly.
lol. i say something is what God told me, and you come back saying it is my ego. Tell me, what have i said that is from ME? If then what i tell you is what God told me, how is that MY ego?
You think it is my ego, because you lack Faith that God speaks to people as He has always done in the past. Was it Noah's ego that told him to build an Ark? lol.

I am 73 years old and heard others like you rant before about being the person who understood what the Bible said in Daniel and Revelation.
Not only Daniel and Revelation but others as well. If God was going to reveal to His servant secrets about what is to come in the future, do you think God would only reveal Daniel and Revelation? Or would He be thorough and reveal all the prophets, minor and major?

Now if i said that this knowledge came from me and from my own understanding then you would be right in saying it is my ego. But if it come from, as i have plainly gave Him Credit, came from God, how do you say it is my ego?

All had their pronouncements go down in flames. Take your turn now. You ignore that both books are full of symbology that can only be understood after the fact like the statue in Daniel!! It is true that scripture helps explain other parts of scripture but that doesn't hold true for all scripture.
You have ears but are not hearing me, are you? Scriptures is not what told me or informed me of what is going to Happen in the future. Study of the Scriptures did not help to understand this. i did not come up with what is going to happen in the Future via the Scriptures, via the scholars, via any Earthly means. i have plainly told you what i know is going to happen in the future is what God told me. YOU at 73 years old, for some reason can't hear that. or more than likely refuse to believe that God speaks to people as He has always done.

Prove me wrong by pointing to the scriptures associated with the statue in Daniel.
Who made me a judge? i know what the Statue in Daniel means, not because what Scriptures has said, but because what God told me. You are not grasping that for some reason.

Eschatology is an area where this failed. There is very little end times scripture outside of the two books. A few verses spoken by Jesus and very few verses elsewhere in the New Testament.
And also in the last days His Spirit will be poured out upon the sons and daughters and they shall prophesy. So then in the last days God will reveal to people His secrets concerning what is to come to pass because as you pointed out there is not much to go on otherwise. Hence the reason for so many false beliefs out there concerning the end times.

Expound away please. Let your brilliance shine forth.
Again, you seem to be trying to give me the credit for something that is not mine to take. What i say God told me, is indeed brilliant, it is the unadulterated TRUTH, it is His words that shine forth and light into a world of darkness. What i tell you is going to happen in the future is not from me or my own intellect, but is what God told me is going to happen. If i am lying then let me burn in hell for all eternity. i have told you the TRUTH, which i testify comes from God, if you reject it, you do not reject what i teach, but reject what He told me, which is the TRUTH and is Brilliant.

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DiscipleDave where did you go?
i do appoligize for the delay in reponse. i am 50 years old and have a full time job, i am working on retiring when the Lord allows that to happen i will be able to get on more than once a week.
Monday - Friday i work a full time job. an hour drive there and hour drive back. love that it is prayer time for me. When i get home, i take a shower, fix dinner, eat dinner, maybe watch an hour show on netflix. then go to bed by 9pm. Saturday is a day that i help people who are in need, if i can't find anyone to help or needs help i then work on the house i bought. i bought a 4 bedroom house for $15,000 dollars. it had 5 holes in the roof, and it rained in the house for over 2 years, mushrooms were growing in the carpet. black mold everywhere. i currently live in one room the living room with electric heaters and a wood stove. So Saturdays are for helping people and repairing the house. Repairing the house is going to take many many years, because helping others takes priority over repairing the house i live in. Sundays if i am not helping people, which most people know i don't work on Sunday, i try to get on CC to answer any questions or comments directed towards me and work on my ministry. So please be patient with me, i get on CC about once a week, sometimes it is two weeks.

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BillG

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i do appoligize for the delay in reponse. i am 50 years old and have a full time job, i am working on retiring when the Lord allows that to happen i will be able to get on more than once a week.
Monday - Friday i work a full time job. an hour drive there and hour drive back. love that it is prayer time for me. When i get home, i take a shower, fix dinner, eat dinner, maybe watch an hour show on netflix. then go to bed by 9pm. Saturday is a day that i help people who are in need, if i can't find anyone to help or needs help i then work on the house i bought. i bought a 4 bedroom house for $15,000 dollars. it had 5 holes in the roof, and it rained in the house for over 2 years, mushrooms were growing in the carpet. black mold everywhere. i currently live in one room the living room with electric heaters and a wood stove. So Saturdays are for helping people and repairing the house. Repairing the house is going to take many many years, because helping others takes priority over repairing the house i live in. Sundays if i am not helping people, which most people know i don't work on Sunday, i try to get on CC to answer any questions or comments directed towards me and work on my ministry. So please be patient with me, i get on CC about once a week, sometimes it is two weeks.

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DiscipleDave
1 Corinthians 13:4-5
4 Love is patient, love is kind. It does not envy, it does not boast, it is not proud. 5 It does not dishonor others, it is not self-seeking, it is not easily angered, it keeps no record of wrongs.

Seems you have an understanding of this love we are all called to walk in.


Matthew 25:33-40
33 And He will set the sheep on His right hand, but the goats on the left. 34 Then the King will say to those on His right hand, ‘Come, you blessed of My Father, inherit the kingdom prepared for you from the foundation of the world: 35 for I was hungry and you gave Me food; I was thirsty and you gave Me drink; I was a stranger and you took Me in; 36 I was naked and you clothed Me; I was sick and you visited Me; I was in prison and you came to Me.’
37 “Then the righteous will answer Him, saying, ‘Lord, when did we see You hungry and feed You, or thirsty and give You drink? 38 When did we see You a stranger and take You in, or naked and clothe You? 39 Or when did we see You sick, or in prison, and come to You?’ 40 And the King will answer and say to them, ‘Assuredly, I say to you, inasmuch as you did it to one of the least of these My brethren, you did it to Me.’

I'm turning 50 this year.

God bless you DD and I pray you have many many more years growing in him and him using you.

Bill
 

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i am not a genius, but He who told me these things is the TRUTH. You are asking me to explain to you the minds of men, these theologians? Seriously?

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lol. i say something is what God told me, and you come back saying it is my ego. Tell me, what have i said that is from ME? If then what i tell you is what God told me, how is that MY ego?
You think it is my ego, because you lack Faith that God speaks to people as He has always done in the past. Was it Noah's ego that told him to build an Ark? lol.



Not only Daniel and Revelation but others as well. If God was going to reveal to His servant secrets about what is to come in the future, do you think God would only reveal Daniel and Revelation? Or would He be thorough and reveal all the prophets, minor and major?

Now if i said that this knowledge came from me and from my own understanding then you would be right in saying it is my ego. But if it come from, as i have plainly gave Him Credit, came from God, how do you say it is my ego?



You have ears but are not hearing me, are you? Scriptures is not what told me or informed me of what is going to Happen in the future. Study of the Scriptures did not help to understand this. i did not come up with what is going to happen in the Future via the Scriptures, via the scholars, via any Earthly means. i have plainly told you what i know is going to happen in the future is what God told me. YOU at 73 years old, for some reason can't hear that. or more than likely refuse to believe that God speaks to people as He has always done.



Who made me a judge? i know what the Statue in Daniel means, not because what Scriptures has said, but because what God told me. You are not grasping that for some reason.



And also in the last days His Spirit will be poured out upon the sons and daughters and they shall prophesy. So then in the last days God will reveal to people His secrets concerning what is to come to pass because as you pointed out there is not much to go on otherwise. Hence the reason for so many false beliefs out there concerning the end times.



Again, you seem to be trying to give me the credit for something that is not mine to take. What i say God told me, is indeed brilliant, it is the unadulterated TRUTH, it is His words that shine forth and light into a world of darkness. What i tell you is going to happen in the future is not from me or my own intellect, but is what God told me is going to happen. If i am lying then let me burn in hell for all eternity. i have told you the TRUTH, which i testify comes from God, if you reject it, you do not reject what i teach, but reject what He told me, which is the TRUTH and is Brilliant.

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DiscipleDave

Still no rebuttal for the 4 eschatologyical views theologians have validated as Biblical for centuries. Do you realize your statements about God telling you things is off the wall crazy talk.
 

DiscipleDave

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1 Corinthians 13:4-5
4 Love is patient, love is kind. It does not envy, it does not boast, it is not proud. 5 It does not dishonor others, it is not self-seeking, it is not easily angered, it keeps no record of wrongs.

Seems you have an understanding of this love we are all called to walk in.
i would not have any understanding if it were not granted to me by Him who lives in me.

Matthew 25:33-40
33 And He will set the sheep on His right hand, but the goats on the left. 34 Then the King will say to those on His right hand, ‘Come, you blessed of My Father, inherit the kingdom prepared for you from the foundation of the world: 35 for I was hungry and you gave Me food; I was thirsty and you gave Me drink; I was a stranger and you took Me in; 36 I was naked and you clothed Me; I was sick and you visited Me; I was in prison and you came to Me.’
37 “Then the righteous will answer Him, saying, ‘Lord, when did we see You hungry and feed You, or thirsty and give You drink? 38 When did we see You a stranger and take You in, or naked and clothe You? 39 Or when did we see You sick, or in prison, and come to You?’ 40 And the King will answer and say to them, ‘Assuredly, I say to you, inasmuch as you did it to one of the least of these My brethren, you did it to Me.’
Amen, This Parable is about those who call Jesus "Lord" and have NO WORKS at all. The Faith ONLY believers.

I'm turning 50 this year.
"Happy Birthday" when it happens.

God bless you DD and I pray you have many many more years growing in him and him using you.

Bill
Please do not pray for me to stay longer. i am so ready to depart this wicked world, that i long for death. Granted as long as i am here on this planet which satan is the god of, i will continue to do as i am called to do, and continue to let God use me in however He sees fit. But i have been ready to depart this world for many years now. Pray that i go quickly. But it is better for this generation if i stay, and continue to teach the TRUTH. i do not love this life at all, and would rather go to sleep and not wake up again until Jesus is here taking up to be with Him forever.
In His Kingdom the inhabitants all love one another, there is no back stabbing, no hating, no belittling, no name calling, no one saying things to try to make you mad or upset, no one accusing you of anything at all, none of these will ever enter into the Kingdom of LOVE. Those who Love One Another, will be those who are accepted into His Kingdom. That is the narrow and difficult path that only a few will find. Love your enemies, do good to those who hate you. LOVE ONE ANOTHER. Love covers a multitude of sins. God is Love. satan is anything that is not LOVE. Oh how i long for this generation to grasp the importance of Loving one another. IMO a Christian who fails to Love someone, is not a Christian at all, no matter what they claim with their mouths, or what they claim to believe. Just my opinion, which is of no consequence at all.

Jesus said "Love One Another"
Jesus said "Why do you call me 'Lord' and not do the things that I say?"
How many Typical Christians call Jesus "Lord" and do not Love One Another as He says for us to do, Nay, as He COMMANDS us to do? Hypocrites they are, Calling Jesus "Lord" and willingly obeying His enemy the devil when they are tempted to commit sin. And do these try to cease from those sins, No, Why should they they believe they can continue to live in sin and Still call Jesus "Lord" and all is well with their soul. Scriptures are TRUE. Your Master is to whom you choose to obey. PERIOD. If you choose to obey satan and continue to live in sin without ceasing from them, you choose who your Master is, no matter what you claim with your mouth, ie "I'm Saved", "I'm a Christian", "I'm covered by His Blood", "OSAS", or any other thing they say to excuse their sinning.
oops sorry, just realized i got of topic of the Thread Sabbath.

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Still no rebuttal for the 4 eschatologyical views theologians have validated as Biblical for centuries.

If you are waiting for me to rebuttal the 4 views that men came up with, you are going to be waiting for a very long time, its not going to happen. If i know the TRUTH of what is going to happen what need is there for me to study what other men say is going to happen? NONE.


Do you realize your statements about God telling you things is off the wall crazy talk.
Yes, but if i say otherwise than i am a LIAR. And crazy talk is not something that will prevent a person from entering into Heaven, but a Liar will not enter into Heaven (Rev 21:8) So if you think God speaking to people, and those people revealing what God told them, seems to be crazy talk, well, what is that to me?

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Hi,
Growing up, I went to privet school, and always church on Saturday. When I started public school for the first time, I noticed people going to church on Sunday. Even then before I even knew Christ....I knew Sunday was not in the Bible as a day of worship. History tells us it changed over meany years to separate them selfs from the Jews who did not believe. Hell is paved with good intentions. Let’s not allow good intentions to take the place of Gods way.

Mat 15:3 But he answered and said unto them, Why do ye also transgress the commandment of God by your tradition?

http://christianchat.com/bible-discussion-forum/162595-tradition-gods-way-mat-15-3-a.html
 

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If you are waiting for me to rebuttal the 4 views that men came up with, you are going to be waiting for a very long time, its not going to happen. If i know the TRUTH of what is going to happen what need is there for me to study what other men say is going to happen? NONE.

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Yes, but if i say otherwise than i am a LIAR. And crazy talk is not something that will prevent a person from entering into Heaven, but a Liar will not enter into Heaven (Rev 21:8) So if you think God speaking to people, and those people revealing what God told them, seems to be crazy talk, well, what is that to me?

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DiscipleDave

You know the truth with the theologians that for centuries have worked on the issue and have developed the 4 eschatologyical views are wrong. Do you bother to think how that sounds?? "I'm right. The world is wrong." To me that sounds like a delusional ego maniac. I have heard too many say things like that and their predictions flamed out with what happened.