Not By Works

I'm not sure a lot of churches teach we are not to obey God's commandments as you assert.

Lord, I am trying my hardest to remain saved. But its getting really hard.



Love,

Self Starter

You mean churches don't teach that Christ "freed us from God's Law"?

Looks like we save ourselves by submitting to God? Or, if we do this we're rewarded with heaven?

It's called deception. Jesus warns of it through out the entire Bible.

Matt. 7:22 Many will say to me in that day, Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in thy name? and in thy name have cast out devils? and in thy name done many wonderful works?23
And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from me, ye that work iniquity.


You can't say these people didn't believe in Jesus, or that they didn't think they were righteous. But one thing was missing that cost them their salvation.

Matt. 24:4 And Jesus answered and said unto them, Take heed that no man deceive you.
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For many shall come in my name, saying, I am Christ; and shall deceive many.

Keep in mind that there is only one group of believers on the planet that fit's this description, and that is "Christianity".

satan used God's Words to deceive Eve in the very beginning, and Jesus warns it still is. We have a simple test though, given us by God through His Word. How can we truly know if we have been deceived by the "many" who "come in His name". Remember, if we are truly deceived, we won't know it.

1 John. 2:3 And hereby we do know that we know him, if we keep his commandments.

This is the perfect test to see of it is God who has written His Laws on our hearts, or if it is a spirit "disguised as an Apostle of Christ, or "Minister of Righteousness" which we were warned about so many times.

5 But whoso keepeth his word, in him verily is the love of God perfected: hereby know we that we are in him.
6 He that saith he abideth in him ought himself also so to walk, even as he walked.

The perfect test. How did Jesus walk? What commandments did He Honor? We need look no further than Christ because.

Rom. 10: "4 For Christ is the end of the law for righteousness to every one that believeth.

Lets not get into nonsense.

In Jesus all who believe in him become righteous.

"And this righteousness from God comes through faith in Jesus Christ to all who believe"

Guys i seen so many deceptions and errors here that it is getting absolutely ridiculous.

Time for some

Let's turn the tables on your theology: How much disobedience will He not allow?

Of course, you have to say 'all', because you are OSAS. Yet it is claimed that OSAS is not a license to sin. But if you want to draw a line for us somewhere--just as we are often asked to do so in regard to obedience--then do so.

Which as you can see is exactly the same line we draw in regard to obedience, lol. But you folks fight tooth and nail about it.

Every sin committed after a person RETURNS TO UNBELIEF separates them from God, because they no longer have the forgiveness of God to cover that sin. They don't believe in Christ's ongoing ministry (Hebrews 7:25) anymore, so how can they avoid the damnation of the sin they commit since they no longer have Christ covering that sin for them? That's why you have to keep believing to be saved. And last time I checked, believing was not on the works side of Paul's 'faith vs. works for justification argument, lol.

OSASer's are always challenging us with some ridiculous argument about 'how much obedience is enough' as if salvation was earned by the merit of works. When the right question to ask is, how do I know I'm believing unto eternal life? The answer of course is what mailmandan said--you have a lifestyle and habit of righteous living in love for God, love for others.

Of course, if you have any Calvinist leanings, you believe that if you do not have this lifestyle, or you fall away from that lifestyle, that means you were never saved to begin with. So, IOW, they can't ever know in this life time if they are truly saved because the potential to fall away and be exposed as one who never really believed to begin with doesn't end until you die. And that's supposed to be the doctrine of security, lol.

In our doctrine, you are eternally secure, and assured of that security, as long as you are believing, present tense. Simple...and Biblical. How do you know you are presently believing? Your life shows it. Lip service is not what signifies the faith that justifies/saves as so many in the church think it does.

We do? Just more nonsense. More proof you do not listen to what people say. Why do you even bother?

We do not fight disobedience, we fight legalism. HUGE difference.

Brokenness.

You do not have security, Please stop. Your security is in yourself and how well you believe. Your whole salvation depends on you , Not christ. How can you sat that is security.

You should be scared to death, because you have no idea I'd one day you will fall from faith or not. You can;t Your not God.

Anybody can fake anything. Except the love of God. But a person won't believe that until they know what the love of God looks like. Nobody can fake God's sacrificial love. That's why it's the distinguishing mark of the true believer. Not former believer, but the present believer.

The bottom line is humility. When I see humility I know I'm dealing with a true brother/sister. When I see arrogance and a lack of humility I know I have yet to see if they are a true believer. I'm not judging their soul. I'm judging their behavior and guarding myself accordingly.

Hebrews 5:14 put into practical application brother!

You can also tell the difference because the one giving lip service will eventually tell you to leave them alone, it's not your place to judge me, I am under grace not the law , man! and most times they leave the church.