I forgot to be baptized

Your question:

"Yet who will be condemned?"

Answer: All of us, regardless of baptism.

The real question: who will be saved?

"Those who believe and are baptized"

If belief is the only thing needed to be saved, this is the perfect time for Jesus to utter that message. But how does He answer it? "Whoever believes and is baptized will be saved"

Regardless of why we are condemned, it is belief and baptism that takes away that condemnation.

How can you read these simple 18 words and not understand this?

You are fighting against the very words of Jesus.

The "rest of the sentence" is about condemnation and does not negate the earlier eight words.

"Not to mention the rest of the New Testament"? Is not the rest of the New Testament full of belief and baptism as needed for salvation?

The sentence is coherent - it is about faith and belief - not baptism!
Faith and belief (in Jesus Christ) saves; lack of belief results in condemnation...

The sentence states belief and baptism saves not belief and faith saves. Read it again, its only 18 words long.

You keep missing my point. It's the medication that heals, not the water. Period. Faith is only as good as the OBJECT that we place it in. Unfortunately, there are many sincere (but sincerely wrong) people who have received water baptism, but have not placed their faith (belief, trust, reliance) in Christ alone for salvation. Such people may believe "mental assent" that Jesus is the Son of God and that His death, burial and resurrection "happened" yet fall short of saving faith (belief, trust, reliance) in Christ alone for salvation and instead their trust and reliance is in "water and works" for salvation.

You keep missing my point. It's not the medication that heals but the action of taking the correct medication that heals. Period. Faith is only as good as the obedience of the faithful. Unfortunately, there are many sincere (but sincerely wrong) people who have faith but have not obeyed to the point of the pledge of a good conscience (1st Peter 3:21) missing out of the power of Jesus's death, burial and resurrection. Such people may believe but because of those in the "believe only" sects stand at the door of Jesus and wait, fearful that knocking will label them as a "belief plus works" salvationist.

This is what I find detestable. Doctrine that puts a stumbling block before those believers wanting to obey the simply commands of God. Telling them to ignore what is clearly commanded for salvation and labeling anyone who disagrees a "works based Judaizer". To the point of even calling acts of confessing, repentance and baptism as "works".

So, you are going to insist on trying to build a false doctrine on part of a single sentence...
Wow!

By no means. This was the sentence at hand, you were simply missing its message.

Reread your post #162. You state the sentence means "faith and belief (in Jesus Christ) saves", it does not.

It simply reads "Whoever believes and is baptized will be saved". You either misread it or ignored the baptism part.

All this would be fine...if, in fact, water baptism actually gave one salvation, but it does not!
Simple as that!
Getting wet in the name of Jesus Christ has never saved a single soul...

Water baptism has an important role in the Christian life but the gate-keeper of salvation it most emphatically is not!

Faith
Baptism
Repentance
confession
etc.

None of these things "gives" us salvation. God is not forced to forgive anyone no matter what they do or believe.

God forgives because of the loving grace that He offers mankind and nothing more!

This grace is not bestowed upon "any and all" but to those who obey His will. We may differ on what is needed to obey but not the need to obey. You may say it is to accept your understanding of faith, others may differ but in the end there is a point that we come in contact with that grace. Your view that baptism is not that point is fine but there are many verses that suggest otherwise. Certainly belief is the foundation of Christian salvation but since there are no verses that proclaim that it is this "faith alone" that saves, it is unwise to label acts of obedience as unnecessary for salvation.

Wow, you are struggling!
The word of God tells us in plenty places that we can be confident of our salvation - that God will be faithful to His promises.

But in this post you clearly show the key marks of the 'works salvationist' by admitting that in your world one cannot rely on God to save, and therefore striving and 'obedience' become necessary to somehow confirm salvation.
The big issue with you is water baptism. but in fact almost anything could be substituted - for many on this site currently Sabbath observance is the issue....

You have lost your way...If God cannot save us through the shed blood of Jesus Christ then water baptism, or anything else for that matter, will make no difference either!

My suggestion is to read the the Epistle to the Romans from start to finish to regain a bit of perspective.

Wow, you are struggling!
The word of God tells us in plenty places that we can be confident of our salvation - that God will be faithful to His promises.

But in this post you clearly show the key marks of the 'works salvationist' by admitting that in your world one cannot rely on God to save, and therefore striving and 'obedience' become necessary to somehow confirm salvation.
The big issue with you is water baptism. but in fact almost anything could be substituted - for many on this site currently Sabbath observance is the issue....

You have lost your way...If God cannot save us through the shed blood of Jesus Christ then water baptism, or anything else for that matter, will make no difference either!

My suggestion is to read the the Epistle to the Romans from start to finish to regain a bit of perspective.

It is you who is struggling.

I made no mention of our confidence in salvation, you pulled that notion out of thin air.

I made no mention of not relying on God to save, I stated the opposite: "God forgives because of His loving grace".
How could you miss that?

The big issue with you is either:

1. A over eagerness to respond without clearly understanding the post.
2. A lack of reasoning ability.
3. The inability to see both sides of an issue.
4. Simple pride, believe in my understanding of the gospel or you are a "works salvationist".

I suspect its a little of all.

It is you who has lost his way. I never said "God cannot save us through the shed blood of Jesus Christ". On the contrary, He is omnipotent, God can save us anyway He wishes. It is you who is forcing your view on how God saves, you maybe right but there are many verses that suggest obedience is part of that plan.

My suggestion to you is to slow down and read the Bible without your "belief only" glasses. The "flow and form" of the scriptures has always been God rewarding man upon his obedience.

No, I ignored nothing.
What I did do was read the WHOLE sentence, AND, the whole chapter, AND the whole book, AND the rest of the Bible.

Ignoring context allows you to ignore the thrust of the communication, not me...

Frankly your post was full of mixed messages:

You state that 'faith' amongst other things does not save and then go on to say that God forgives because of His loving grace!
Scripture on the other hand states very clearly that faith (in the right things of course) is absolutely central to salvation.
I have no problem with the fact that even that faith is a gift of grace from God, but nonetheless it is faith in Jesus Christ that saves us.

BTW if anyone is reading the Bible with tinted glasses it is you, because of your need to 'prove' baptismal regeneration.
I have frequently made reference to broadening one's reading in order to a full view of Scripture, and I will do so again.
Baptismal regeneration flatly contradicts whole books of the New Testament.

In addition, any 'rewards' for obedience are consequent of salvation - not the means of salvation...

Stop trying to build an incorrect doctrine on a single incomplete sentence!

Who mentioned anything about "baptismal regeneration"? This is another thing you pulled out of thin air.

Please try to stick with the post or are you simply stumped?

Obedience is the means to salvation not the result of salvation.

And you still have conveniently overlooked, or failed to explain all of the teachings (commands) and examples given to us in scripture that say that baptism is an essential part of our salvation.

If it wasn't essential, why did Jesus say to do it? Why did all the apostles teach it? Why did ALL Christians believe it was necessary, up until some "reformer" decided HE didn't think it was necessary?

It's not simply some feel-good "show" for everyone else to see. If it was not essential, why was it ever mentioned in the first place?

All your scripture twisting and parsing cannot explain that. I would rather do my best to obey what Jesus taught us, unquestioning.

It is you who is struggling.

I made no mention of our confidence in salvation, you pulled that notion out of thin air.

I made no mention of not relying on God to save, I stated the opposite: "God forgives because of His loving grace".
How could you miss that?

The big issue with you is either:

1. A over eagerness to respond without clearly understanding the post.
2. A lack of reasoning ability.
3. The inability to see both sides of an issue.
4. Simple pride, believe in my understanding of the gospel or you are a "works salvationist".

I suspect its a little of all.

It is you who has lost his way. I never said "God cannot save us through the shed blood of Jesus Christ". On the contrary, He is omnipotent, God can save us anyway He wishes. It is you who is forcing your view on how God saves, you maybe right but there are many verses that suggest obedience is part of that plan.

My suggestion to you is to slow down and read the Bible without your "belief only" glasses. The "flow and form" of the scriptures has always been God rewarding man upon his obedience.

Something to think about Mark 16:15-16

So we got background summarized by our Lord Jesus Christ in Mark 16:15. What is it? Jesus simply commanded His disciples to “Go” and “Preach the gospel”.

Mark 16:15 And he said unto them, Go ye into all the world, and preach the gospel to every creature.
Question is what happens when one believed the preaching of the gospel? The Bible is plain on the subject whom according to Paul, this is the power of God unto “salvation to every one that believeth”

Romans 1:16 For I am not ashamed of the gospel of Christ: for it is the power of God unto salvation to every one that believeth; to the Jew first, and also to the Greek.

So, once you believed you will be saved according to the scriptures. This is attested by many scriptural proofs (John 3:16; 3:18: 3:36; 5:24 etc.) But what about those who believed and is baptized? Is he saved? As we come to the next verse Jesus said:

Mark 16:16 He that believeth and is baptized shall be saved; but he that believeth not shall be damned.

We have to note that those who already believed were already saved and by obedience were immediately baptized. Jesus said “Believeth and is baptized”. Praise God because Jesus did not said we are to “Believe and baptized” and be saved. The inclusion of “is baptized” indicates a result of one’s belief in the gospel. We have to remember that the command is to “Go” and “preach the gospel” So, I am going to be baptized because I got saved since I believed the gospel. Naturally I am not condemned if I believed and have been baptized.

The omission of baptism in the second clause proves the unnecessary in gaining one’s salvation. The other clause whether you like it or not, says that no one is damned to those who believed. But what about those who will not believe? Well, the Bible says he is already been condemned. What about those who were “baptized only”? Jesus said they are they who really don’t believe therefore “baptism” cannot be a part of the gospel and hence he will be also be damned to eternity in hell.

John 3:18 He that believeth on him is not condemned: but he that believeth not is condemned already, because he hath not believed in the name of the only begotten Son of God.

God bless