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Actually the true teaching of the grace of God is the only thing that teaches us how to deny ungodliness in this present world. Titus 2:11-12
We are to be strong in the grace that is in Christ Jesus. 2 Tim. 2:1
It is grace that gives us the inheritance that is ours in Christ and is able to build us up.
Acts 20:32 (NASB)
[SUP]32 [/SUP] "And now I commend you to God and to the word of His grace, which is able to build you up and to give you the inheritance among all those who are sanctified.
The only way we are saved is by the grace of God.
Acts 15:11 (KJV)
[SUP]11 [/SUP] But we believe that through the grace of the Lord Jesus Christ we shall be saved, even as they.
We are to fix our hope completely on the grace that is brought to us at the revelation of Christ.
1 Peter 1:13 (NASB)
[SUP]13 [/SUP] Therefore, prepare your minds for action, keep sober in spirit, fix your hope completely on the grace to be brought to you at the revelation of Jesus Christ.
We are to be strong in the grace that is in Christ Jesus. 2 Tim. 2:1
It is grace that gives us the inheritance that is ours in Christ and is able to build us up.
Acts 20:32 (NASB)
[SUP]32 [/SUP] "And now I commend you to God and to the word of His grace, which is able to build you up and to give you the inheritance among all those who are sanctified.
The only way we are saved is by the grace of God.
Acts 15:11 (KJV)
[SUP]11 [/SUP] But we believe that through the grace of the Lord Jesus Christ we shall be saved, even as they.
We are to fix our hope completely on the grace that is brought to us at the revelation of Christ.
1 Peter 1:13 (NASB)
[SUP]13 [/SUP] Therefore, prepare your minds for action, keep sober in spirit, fix your hope completely on the grace to be brought to you at the revelation of Jesus Christ.
Ah, here we go -- now it becomes clear! (To me at least 
Paul taught both grace and he also taught works. (not works as a means to salvation!)
Ephesians 1-3 give a solid explanation of God's grace. Ephesians 4-6 give a solid explanation of works. When rightly understood and rightly taught they do not contradict.
But I don't agree that "teaching works misleads"! Paul taught works!
I do agree that teaching works in a wrong way misleads.
Paul taught both grace and he also taught works. (not works as a means to salvation!)
Ephesians 1-3 give a solid explanation of God's grace. Ephesians 4-6 give a solid explanation of works. When rightly understood and rightly taught they do not contradict.
But I don't agree that "teaching works misleads"! Paul taught works!
I do agree that teaching works in a wrong way misleads.
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This is an interesting point.
In life I have convinced myself I take a particular view on something.
What I have discovered until I actually do something which corresponds to that view, it
is just a view.
So Abraham believed God about his heirs, but this was only proved true when he offered
Issac to be sacrificed.
So saying God does not need proof I think is wrong. Nothing is true until proved.
So many times people appear good friends, but only in hard times do you know who was
really a friend and who was not.
Who loves there brother or sister? Someone who wishes someone well or someone who
actually helps them?
So we can never separate works and salvation, they are the different sides of the same
coin.
The difference here between the groups is should be do good works no matter what,
on analyse why we do them? I hold we should do them whatever.
In life I have convinced myself I take a particular view on something.
What I have discovered until I actually do something which corresponds to that view, it
is just a view.
So Abraham believed God about his heirs, but this was only proved true when he offered
Issac to be sacrificed.
So saying God does not need proof I think is wrong. Nothing is true until proved.
So many times people appear good friends, but only in hard times do you know who was
really a friend and who was not.
Who loves there brother or sister? Someone who wishes someone well or someone who
actually helps them?
So we can never separate works and salvation, they are the different sides of the same
coin.
The difference here between the groups is should be do good works no matter what,
on analyse why we do them? I hold we should do them whatever.
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Teaching grace only leads to the assumption that folks can do whatever... I've seen it.. #35, you must have a visual if you want to know where you actually stand... Have you heard the true gospel... I never said works save.. I quoted AB believed first.. your something that's telling you, is in your head and it's self-righteousness, pride, to proud to be wrong.. in that you don't take time to understand so you keep your argument going
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Ah, here we go -- now it becomes clear! (To me at least
Paul taught both grace and he also taught works. (not works as a means to salvation!)
Ephesians 1-3 give a solid explanation of God's grace. Ephesians 4-6 give a solid explanation of works. When rightly understood and rightly taught they do not contradict.
But I don't agree that "teaching works misleads"! Paul taught works!
I do agree that teaching works in a wrong way misleads.
Paul taught both grace and he also taught works. (not works as a means to salvation!)
Ephesians 1-3 give a solid explanation of God's grace. Ephesians 4-6 give a solid explanation of works. When rightly understood and rightly taught they do not contradict.
But I don't agree that "teaching works misleads"! Paul taught works!
I do agree that teaching works in a wrong way misleads.
We are talking about salvation. NOT WHAT ONE DOES AFTER THEY ARE SAVED.
try to keep it in context. ok?
Teaching works as it relates to salvation is miselading, and will lead peopel away from Christ.
it is of works, not grace, otherwise grace is no longer grace, those are pauls words.
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Nope. If one thinks they can live however they want, they have not repented.
So we must rely on our work, not Gods promise. THAT Is dangerous. How can one ever have HOPE if they are relying on self?
Yes I have heard the true gospel.
Saved by FAITH NOT WORKS..lest anyone should boast.
Not by works of righteousness WHICH I DID, but By Gods mercy.
Have you heard the true gospel?
So we must rely on our work, not Gods promise. THAT Is dangerous. How can one ever have HOPE if they are relying on self?
Yes I have heard the true gospel.
Saved by FAITH NOT WORKS..lest anyone should boast.
Not by works of righteousness WHICH I DID, but By Gods mercy.
Have you heard the true gospel?
Works will never be anyone's salvation. We are saved by the Blood of Jesus Christ.
Once we are on the Way, if we are without righteous works, we do not have living faith, for faith without
works is dead.
Our zeal by the Holy Spirit after havinng received Him within will not allow any who have
received the gift of faith to be still.
When we experience the joy of the infilling of the Holy Spirit pthere are definite indications. Righteous works given us by God, Himself, obedience as best possible, and constant learning in study of the Word in prayer and meditation.
How will any receive reward in the Kingsom without any works to show for that gift of faith. Faith is likeened unto gold int eh Word. I believe our faith is gold to our Father......we must increase its interest, right?
Once we are on the Way, if we are without righteous works, we do not have living faith, for faith without
works is dead.
Our zeal by the Holy Spirit after havinng received Him within will not allow any who have
received the gift of faith to be still.
When we experience the joy of the infilling of the Holy Spirit pthere are definite indications. Righteous works given us by God, Himself, obedience as best possible, and constant learning in study of the Word in prayer and meditation.
How will any receive reward in the Kingsom without any works to show for that gift of faith. Faith is likeened unto gold int eh Word. I believe our faith is gold to our Father......we must increase its interest, right?
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ps. Teaching grace PLUS works teaches and leads to phariseeism, religion and legalism. (I know, I grew up in this false hope)
A child of God walks by faith, not site, He produces works because he is a new creature, not to keep salvation. He needs to be taught to trust in God, not to go out and do works.
A child of God walks by faith, not site, He produces works because he is a new creature, not to keep salvation. He needs to be taught to trust in God, not to go out and do works.
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For the grace of God has appeared that offers salvation to all people. It teaches us to say “No” to ungodliness and worldly passions, and to live self-controlled, upright and godly lives in this present age, while we wait for the blessed hope—the appearing of the glory of our great God and Savior, Jesus Christ, who gave himself for us to redeem us from all wickedness and to purify for himself a people that are his very own, eager to do what is good.
Titus 2:11-14
We are to live self-controlled, upright, godly lives, Amen.
Jesus redeems us from all wickedness and purifies us, Amen.
So why is there such disagreement about living righteously.
The subtext is you cannot live a godly life or be purified, all is
actually defiled and those who claim they can are hypocrites.
So scripture is defied and we are attacked. What a deceptive approach.
Titus 2:11-14
We are to live self-controlled, upright, godly lives, Amen.
Jesus redeems us from all wickedness and purifies us, Amen.
So why is there such disagreement about living righteously.
The subtext is you cannot live a godly life or be purified, all is
actually defiled and those who claim they can are hypocrites.
So scripture is defied and we are attacked. What a deceptive approach.
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Every time I teach salvation is by faith alone, not works, You seem to come after me.. How else should I feel? and what else would this make me think? Other than you treach we are saved by works..
Not to mention, you always seem to be defending the ones who PURELY teach that in CC.. (they are not teaching just a child of God should show works, they are teaching their salvation depends on it)
if you are not, then please forgive me, I have been wrong, and accused you falsely.