Alcoholics/narcotics anonymous..does it contradict me as a christian or is it good

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Hassell25CA

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Ive been a christian for 2 and a half years now...i use to use meth and heroin...injected and smoked...i stopped using when i came to nicaragua...started going to church...didnt use for 9 months then drank beer at christmas...i relapsed with beer...got back to church...went food for 6 months ....relapsed again....went back to church relapsed again after 8 months....and each time i relapsed it was until i wasted all my money...now i have 5 days sober...this time i was so ashamed of how drunk i got i looked for narcotics anonymous program...i assisted and felt good and bad about it...some people say if you are not an addict you cant give me feedback because you wont understand the pain and the obsessions...i would like to hear some christian ex addicts thoughts...i like the literature the program offers...but being in a circle hearing everyones problems and stating im an addict everyday is kinda weird
 
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HisHolly

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I'm an ex stripper of many yrs.. I loved perversion and had addictions and many obsessions that were formed.. All addiction is spirit/demonic influence.. The only way to kick it for good is renounce it. Repent and get the blood is Christ to cleanse you..

Some can quit easier bc they were never in as deep..
I was all the way in and took purposeful participation to deny my flesh while my mind was being renewed..
To repeatedly claim to be an addict is the worst. You're telling yourself that's what you are. It defeats the purpose to believe for anything else
 

Hassell25CA

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Thank u for the feedback and sharing i know you understand...and i definitely dont want to say im an addict everyday...it kills me mentally...but i did learn to wake up every morning these past 5 days and tell god i am powerless and my life has become unmanageable...i turn my life to you so that i may live in your strength and not mine...i like saying that so far thats what i learned there and to read the just for today text which helps you focus on something challenging everyday
 

Hassell25CA

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Maybe i will take the good and leave the bad
 
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HisHolly

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Great idea.. anything that helps you see yourself as a different person, keep. Anything that triggers thinking the same old thoughts, discard..

I'll pray for you.. It was a process.. Don't get down on yourself. Mine was slow but I made it. I messed up thru it but I made it..
 

Laish

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Hello Hassell25ca
AA and NA are more or less the same program. The both use the 12 steps to help a drunk or adict . The program is pretty generic and can easily fit in to Christians life . That is also a problem meaning it's generic format can be used devoid of Christ .
I am a recovered drunk of some 20 years . I have no problems with a good Christ centered home group . Also I would stick with AA if you think that is your problem . Their is some truth to the idea it takes a drunk to understand a drunk . There is some overlap with AA and NA concerning addiction but there is also many differences concerning why and how we use . If you decide to to do either fined a good sponsor. Look for a person that has the same or similar story that you have . Also if you don't like term adict try user I don't like alcoholic so I use drunk. Also congregations on 5 days keep it simple .
Blessings
Bill
 
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I'm an ex stripper of many yrs.. I loved perversion and had addictions and many obsessions that were formed.. All addiction is spirit/demonic influence.. The only way to kick it for good is renounce it. Repent and get the blood is Christ to cleanse you..

Some can quit easier bc they were never in as deep..
I was all the way in and took purposeful participation to deny my flesh while my mind was being renewed..
To repeatedly claim to be an addict is the worst. You're telling yourself that's what you are. It defeats the purpose to believe for anything else
A sin is a sin,and it is all the flesh,which the Bible says that all have sinned,and come short of the glory of God,and if you break the least of the commandments then you broke them all,which thankfully Jesus' blood cleanses us of all sins,and makes all of us clean on the same level,and when the Jews cast a women at Jesus' feet,because she was caught in the act of adultery,and wanted to stone her,Jesus said,he that is without sin cast the first stone,which they all dropped their stones and left,and Jesus said,where are your accusers,has no man condemned you,and she said,no my Lord,neither do I condemn you,now go and sin no more.

Which I say this because no matter what you did is no more worse than what any of us did,for all sin is unrighteousness,and if you break the least of the commandments,you broke them all,and before any of us came to Christ,we all had a form of sexual perversion,even if it was not so openly displayed,for that is one of the big temptations that we will be tempted with before we came to Christ,and one of the big temptations that will hit us after we come to Christ,sexual perversion.

Which Jesus said if you lust after a woman it is the same as if you committed the act.

Which I say this for we should not think we are such bad people,that we do not deserve God's love,for we are all sinners and come short of the glory of God,talking to anybody that would think they are a bad person,and be down on their self,in other words we should not get down on our self for our actions,for it was our flesh directing us,and in the flesh dwells no good thing,so we were only going by that nature,and Jesus said forgive them Father,for they know not what they do.

God said we are all sinners,and deserving of salvation,no matter what we did,if we acknowledge the truth,and we were all perverted in one way or another before we came to Christ,and Paul was terrible before he came to Christ,which he said he persecuted the Church,and wasted it,and Peter had a problem for about 14 years of prejudice,until Paul got in his face and told him to stop it,and king David did things the LORD was not pleased with,and king Solomon,David's Son,had 300 wives,and 700 concubines,talking about sexual perversion,that God said He was not pleased with him.

But the point is,all are sinners and come short of the glory of God,and if you break the least of the commandments,you broke them all,so we are all bad people before we come to God,but thankfully we can escape the flesh by Jesus Christ,which if we go along with the flesh,in that environment,we might enjoy it,but there is sometimes bad consequences in dealing with people who also go by the flesh,for the people in the flesh dealing with each other might not always be a good situation,where in the Spirit it will always be a good situation,which also by the Spirit it extends beyond this world,which is a big plus,where the flesh will cease its actions once it perishes.
 
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Doesn't the Bible say, "As a man thinketh, so is he."?

If you want to remain where you are, just keep standing up in group each week, and say. "Hi, I'm Hassel, and I am an Addict." (Simply keep reminding yourself of what you 'have to be', rather than the new creature Jesus says you are.)
 

hornetguy

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Step 1 is to admit that you have a problem that you are powerless over.

This is the reason for saying "him I'm John and I'm an alcoholic"..... it's the daily reminder that the disease of alcoholism is a permanent threat to your sobriety. It's not about keeping yourself in that "mode", it's about the constant reminder "I can't mess with alcohol, because I have the disease of alcoholism".

I have known people with 30-40 YEARS of sobriety, and they still say "I'm an alcoholic".... There's no shame in saying that, any more than it would be to say "Hi, I'm John, and I'm a cancer survivor".....

The whole 12 step program is designed to get you in touch with God, your "higher power", if you prefer... because without that connection, you likely will not stay sober.
 

Laish

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Doesn't the Bible say, "As a man thinketh, so is he."?

If you want to remain where you are, just keep standing up in group each week, and say. "Hi, I'm Hassel, and I am an Addict." (Simply keep reminding yourself of what you 'have to be', rather than the new creature Jesus says you are.)
Yea that is true but when I say I am a drunk and have been sober for a few years,it is not for me but that guy in the corner that needs help and still smells of alcohol.
Blessings
Bill
 
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HisHolly

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A sin is a sin,and it is all the flesh,which the Bible says that all have sinned,and come short of the glory of God,and if you break the least of the commandments then you broke them all,which thankfully Jesus' blood cleanses us of all sins,and makes all of us clean on the same level,and when the Jews cast a women at Jesus' feet,because she was caught in the act of adultery,and wanted to stone her,Jesus said,he that is without sin cast the first stone,which they all dropped their stones and left,and Jesus said,where are your accusers,has no man condemned you,and she said,no my Lord,neither do I condemn you,now go and sin no more.

Which I say this because no matter what you did is no more worse than what any of us did,for all sin is unrighteousness,and if you break the least of the commandments,you broke them all,and before any of us came to Christ,we all had a form of sexual perversion,even if it was not so openly displayed,for that is one of the big temptations that we will be tempted with before we came to Christ,and one of the big temptations that will hit us after we come to Christ,sexual perversion.

Which Jesus said if you lust after a woman it is the same as if you committed the act.

Which I say this for we should not think we are such bad people,that we do not deserve God's love,for we are all sinners and come short of the glory of God,talking to anybody that would think they are a bad person,and be down on their self,in other words we should not get down on our self for our actions,for it was our flesh directing us,and in the flesh dwells no good thing,so we were only going by that nature,and Jesus said forgive them Father,for they know not what they do.

God said we are all sinners,and deserving of salvation,no matter what we did,if we acknowledge the truth,and we were all perverted in one way or another before we came to Christ,and Paul was terrible before he came to Christ,which he said he persecuted the Church,and wasted it,and Peter had a problem for about 14 years of prejudice,until Paul got in his face and told him to stop it,and king David did things the LORD was not pleased with,and king Solomon,David's Son,had 300 wives,and 700 concubines,talking about sexual perversion,that God said He was not pleased with him.

But the point is,all are sinners and come short of the glory of God,and if you break the least of the commandments,you broke them all,so we are all bad people before we come to God,but thankfully we can escape the flesh by Jesus Christ,which if we go along with the flesh,in that environment,we might enjoy it,but there is sometimes bad consequences in dealing with people who also go by the flesh,for the people in the flesh dealing with each other might not always be a good situation,where in the Spirit it will always be a good situation,which also by the Spirit it extends beyond this world,which is a big plus,where the flesh will cease its actions once it perishes.
I do apologize because I don't understand your point. I know all this. He didn't ask to be preached to but vibe with someone who understood..
 
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HisHolly

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Step 1 is to admit that you have a problem that you are powerless over.

This is the reason for saying "him I'm John and I'm an alcoholic"..... it's the daily reminder that the disease of alcoholism is a permanent threat to your sobriety. It's not about keeping yourself in that "mode", it's about the constant reminder "I can't mess with alcohol, because I have the disease of alcoholism".

I have known people with 30-40 YEARS of sobriety, and they still say "I'm an alcoholic".... There's no shame in saying that, any more than it would be to say "Hi, I'm John, and I'm a cancer survivor".....

The whole 12 step program is designed to get you in touch with God, your "higher power", if you prefer... because without that connection, you likely will not stay sober.
There is a difference. Cancer SURVIVOR vs I'm an alcoholic.. it's claiming it.. not everyone can say it and hold it in the context you described above.. New creation isn't an alcoholic bc of new birth. The sin nature is gone. The flesh can still want it but it's not his identity anymore. Just and old habit
 
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There is a difference. Cancer SURVIVOR vs I'm an alcoholic.. it's claiming it.. not everyone can say it and hold it in the context you described above.. New creation isn't an alcoholic bc of new birth. The sin nature is gone. The flesh can still want it but it's not his identity anymore. Just and old habit
Yes, there is a world of understanding in being able to recognize that distinction.
 

Hassell25CA

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Hello Hassell25ca
AA and NA are more or less the same program. The both use the 12 steps to help a drunk or adict . The program is pretty generic and can easily fit in to Christians life . That is also a problem meaning it's generic format can be used devoid of Christ .
I am a recovered drunk of some 20 years . I have no problems with a good Christ centered home group . Also I would stick with AA if you think that is your problem . Their is some truth to the idea it takes a drunk to understand a drunk . There is some overlap with AA and NA concerning addiction but there is also many differences concerning why and how we use . If you decide to to do either fined a good sponsor. Look for a person that has the same or similar story that you have . Also if you don't like term adict try user I don't like alcoholic so I use drunk. Also congregations on 5 days keep it simple .
Blessings
Bill
Thank you Bill, once you learn the program it becomes easy to stay sober it seems, as long as we dont take that first drink or hit. So the good thing about continuing to attend is to share our experience with the next guy.
 
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FlSnookman7

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I also was an addict and alcoholic and a lot of other things. Jesus healed me. I still have to do my part though as this flesh I live in is wicked. I prefer Celebrate Recovery meetings, they are a Christ based 12 step. You do whatever you need to do to stay sober today. Find a meeting, get a sponsor, work the steps, give back to others. The only way I can keep my sobriety is by giving it away. Do NOT believe the devil when he tries to make you feel ashamed. That is your disease and flesh trying to isolate you so you relapse. I have a few years now but in reality all of us only have today. Praying for you!