A 'Merican response to school shootin's

Gary thanks for chiming in.
I don’t have a gun first of all. Never had one and never will. As I mentioned earlier , I live happily with my family in a small town in a blue state where very very few people have small firearms like a pistol.
The emphasis of this town are good moral values as well as God values.
There has never Been any violence in my town since it was founded and there won’t be any because it’s a good family centered community and there are very few guns so if someone goes crazy which is unlikely to happen because of family centered values, they won’t be able to cause carnage for all the innocent.

Take care.

I believe that perhaps you have misunderstood the 'argument' - guns/access is/are not the cause - never have been and never will be...

People are the cause - always has been and always will be...

I think it is wonderful that you live in a low-crime town.

I suggest that it is the moral foundation and not the low gun count that is the reason for the low crime rate.

I agree with that, with the clarification that easy access for good citizens does NOT cause deaths and shootings. Easy access for criminal types, or mentally imbalanced people does. The difficult part is figuring out how to have one without the other.

Well - no.

In no case is/are guns/access the cause. The cause is always associated with the will of a person. Period.

(I can understand and agree with the good intent of your post - but not the literal statement of it.)

I suppose the proper way to say it is that the easy access for criminals/mentals is one of the causes for an increase in gun crimes.
It doesn't cause a crime, it allows criminals an easier means to commit their crime. But, semantics aside... the idea is valid.

In my opinion, we don't need any more laws... our government doesn't even enforce the ones already on the books. We need to fine tune the ones we are stuck with, and insist that the laws are strictly enforced.

I believe it was either the Clinton administration, or perhaps even the Obama administration that bragged loudly about how their enhanced background checks prevented "X" number of felons from purchasing firearms. How many of those do you think went back to jail? I think the number was very close to "0"..... What good did that do? It simply means the felon that committed another felony in trying to purchase a gun had to go to the black market to get his gun. If we don't enforce the laws we have, how will MORE laws help?

In the 50s, fist fights were about respect - you didn't want to kill him - you just wanted to "teach him a lesson" - and, you knew that a dead man cannot learn anything...

If you used a knife, then you wanted to inflict permanent damage or death.

If you used a gun, then you wanted to inflict certain death.

A fist fight was considered to be a "fair fight" - while a knife or gun was considered to be an "unfair advantage" against anyone not having the same.

Why do I say all of these obvious things?

To illustrate that - what has changed is - the prevailing attitude of the population at large.

All of the same attitudes from back then are present today - but, with a severe shift in nunbers, percentage, and prevalence.

Today, there is no self-respect.

Nor is there respect for others.

In many people's minds, killing another human being is not-much-or-any different than swatting a fly that is annoying them.

Selfishness has prevailed as the main operating "principle" in many/most people's lives today.

And, they quickly decide that anyone they "have no use for" who "gets in their way" may as well be dead...

There - fixed it for you...

Now we are in agreement.

I would also suggest that one of the greatest contributing factors to an increase in gun crimes is the greater number of criminals/mentals committing crimes.

tv has programmed our society, especially the youth.

To everybody: Give it up guys.

Every time this topic comes up everyone gets upset. I can't remember a single person ever changing his opinion though. Whether you're right or wrong or wrong-but-think-you're-right, give it up. Nobody's mind will be changed in this thread either.

Only thing this discussion causes is higher blood pressure all around.

It is entertaining though...

Only police and licensed security people can legally own handguns here. That is a significant difference.

I do agree that the root cause is spiritual. Does that mean that we do nothing to at least minimise the damage?

Shhh! It's all about the guns, because arguing about guns is always popular. Don't cloud the issue with non-firearm details.

These threads CAN cause higher blood pressure, but I think this discussion has been mostly level-headed and polite.
I believe open discussion is where solutions are found...
It is good to find out that the "other side" is very likely not as crazy/un-American as you assumed them to be.
In most situations, there is truth and validity on both sides, and the goal is to find common ground and work on compromises from there...
The problem lies with the extremists that will not even consider "giving an inch"... and I have not seen too much of that in this discussion...

I have thought about that. It would come down to what damage is being minimized. Again, once we start saying “This is in the name of public safety” with regards to a fundamental right, that’s dangerous ground. The true aim is to have the 2 amendment completely abolished. You cannot comprise with people like that, because they always want more. I live in a country were half the population believes genocide of the unborn is a human right, while firearms are the supposed root of all evil.

all demonic inspired governments first disarm the citizens, useful idiots promote disarmament.

I feel like if someone wanted to kill some people, and guns were illegal, they'd buy an illegal gun, and still shoot people.

Or, if they couldn't get a gun; they'd just make explosives instead.

Were much better off when people don't want to go on murder sprees in the first place than we are trying to stop them after someone has already decided to do it.

How is a government that infringes on people's liberties going to make people less angry, and less likely to go on a murder spree? It's not.

Did you ever notice that in America, there's never a public outrage when someone murder's their own children? It's practically legal. More children are murdered by their own parents than in
School shootings. (That's not even counting abortions).
I don't see liberals lifting a finger to stop that.... oh, no- because to them, it's basically a human right to murder your own kids.

Honestly, the fake misdirected outrage and condescension is old: these victims are being exploited for a political agenda by people that do not even for one second actually care about them- and everyone with a brain knows it.

Democrats don't care about aborted babies the same way Republicans don't care about gun violence victims. I do think Democrats care about babies and Republicans about gun violence victims, but ultimately they care more about a right (abortion, or 2nd amendment). The right outweighs the deaths. However, it is true there are way more abortions than gun violence victims.

Governments around the world have traumatized their citizens intentionally for the last 3 years, some citizens are reacting to this by committing terrible crimes, the governments who are causing the trauma now want to disarm the remaining law abiding citizens, it's all part of the devils plan, Christians are supposed to know better as they hear the voice of God and not lean on their own understanding.https://www.bitchute.com/video/5ueOTOcyeWI6/