Is is true that we will be Raptured?

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AgeofKnowledge

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Jesus will return for His church. When and how aren't at issue.

What is at issue is that we spiritually prepare ourselves to be reunited with Christ for heaven. That's the point.

Whether He returns when we are alive or whether we die and are resurrected, the point is to be spiritually ready to be reunited and enter heaven.

Dear saints,

Is it true that we will be raptured if we are matured in God's life (for those who will meet with Christ in His 2nd return)? is there any verses in the bible mentioned about this matter?

I hope to hear from you soon,

Thank you.
 
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peterT

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Jesus will return for His church. When and how aren't at issue.

What is at issue is that we spiritually prepare ourselves to be reunited with Christ for heaven. That's the point.

Whether He returns when we are alive or whether we die and are resurrected, the point is to be spiritually ready to be reunited and enter heaven.
Amen to that.

But it’s nice to know we are going to see the rise of the antichrist and are going through the Great tribulation and have to suffer for are faith and live by faith because we can’t take the mark to buy or sell.

As a Christian It’s nice to know all these things and because it is a part of his plan and in the scriptures for us to read.

So it must be important
 

Katy-follower

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I think this will be the last time I post on this topic because as I've learnt from other ongoing threads, those who believe an opposing side will never change their point of view even when you present scripture right there in front of them. It's pointless to keep addressing these same threads which accomplish nothing but the same arguments. So this is for those that come here for assurance of God's promises and to know that we are not sheep being led to the slaughter. We are not of this world, soon we will be home and those unbelievers left here will be given a last chance to be saved, though they will pay with their lives.


Many ignore scriptures but you cannot erase these types of messages from the bible....

Rev 3:10: "Because you have kept My command to persevere, I also will keep you from (out) the hour of trial (testing) which shall come upon the whole world, to test those who dwell on the earth"

The purpose of the hour is to try/test those who 'dwell' upon the earth, as in, those of the world (the unbelievers). We are not of this world. There is no purpose for us during the tribulation because we've already been tested and we passed!! This is a promise to us!!

We're currently living in the time of the church as we are here and we are supposed to witness to the unbelieving world. The tribulation is the last call to repentance and specifically for the children of disobedience. God focuses on Israel during the tribulation, the church will be in heaven as we will return with Christ. The bible specifically mentions the wrath of God during the tribulation. It is God's last call to repentance. He is in control of every event that takes place and will use this tribulation to bring about repentance. God's wrath - He uses Satan in the tribulation. It is all part of His plan. We, the current day church, are not a part of that.

1 Thess 5:9: "For God did not appoint us to wrath, but to obtain salvation through our Lord Jesus Christ" (tribulation would be described as a time of wrath. God is in control, especially with the 7 year tribulation)

1 Thess 1:10: "and to wait for His Son from heaven, whom He raised from the dead, even Jesus who delivers us from the wrath to come"

Romans 5:9: "Much more then, having now been justified by His blood, we shall be saved from wrath through Him"

Colossians 3:6: "Because of these things the wrath of God is coming upon the sons of disobedience"




Salvation has been offered to the gentiles currently (this doesn't mean Jews are not saved as some are) but once all gentiles are saved, that are chosen to be saved, God will then turn to Israel and focus on them.

So you have to look at the purpose of the tribulation and why the church will not be around at this time. The time of us, the church, will soon come to an end because we are no longer needed and God's will is to then focus on Israel.


and because it is a part of his plan and in the scriptures for us to read. So it must be important
Yes, it's great to know what happened in our past and what happens in our future, but it doesn't mean we will be here to see the 'mark of the beast' ourselves, although the message is directed at many who will see the mark. We just have been given knowledge of things to come.

There will be tribulation saints and many warnings are directed at them, addressing them, as this will be the times they will be in. Just like the Old Testament was in effect before we were born. We don't discount the Old Testament and it's teachings, like the feasts, etc, but we can see that it was addressed before our time to the people of Israel. Just like the 'mark of the beast' we can read about now but it will be specifically for the tribulation saints who will experience these things. Just because all these things are revealed to us does not mean the 'mark of the beast' is something we, the church, will specifically see, but some will see it as it addresses saints that will be beheaded during that time, and it instructs them not to take this mark. There is also no stopping us from warning others not to take this mark when they see it, although we pray that they be saved now that God may keep them from that hour also.


Jesus will return for His church. When and how aren't at issue.

What is at issue is that we spiritually prepare ourselves to be reunited with Christ for heaven. That's the point.

Whether He returns when we are alive or whether we die and are resurrected, the point is to be spiritually ready to be reunited and enter heaven.
If the wisdom I received on this is wrong then I accept that but I haven't found any scripture to suggest otherwise. If we are left here, then when this country becomes communist and they take me away in the middle of the night, I will never deny Christ. However, one thing to mention is that those not expecting a rapture will not be ready for it as they will be looking for Antichrist and focusing on all the end time events to take place first, rather than looking for Jesus to catch us up. Also, the unbelieving world are not being prepared for anything to happen because many Christians refuse to acknowledge any type of rapture taking place, so unbelievers are being left in the dark. My guess is they will be told a lie by the authorities about what really happened to their family members and all the children...this will be a way to get them to take the mark - for peace and security because of an awful tragedy which killed their relatives, not realizing it was Jesus that actually took them. They will use this sudden disappearance and blame it on a terrorist attack or something of this nature.

Link --> Seven Reasons Why the Rapture Cannot Come After the Tribulation
 
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cfultz3

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This is something I have often thought about, too.
Jesus received all of the Father's wrath toward us and we are now "accpeted in The Beloved". *happy sigh*

But as I say--I have not studied this. I admire those who feel certain. I feel certain I will be confused once my study begins! lol

Sister (much is said in this post),

Well worth the hope it gives to God's children knowing that He is not angered at us who are righteous as He is righteous. As you so well said, my Lord, your Lord, took God's anger away from those who have a love for His second coming. Those who have hope eargerly awaits for the glorification of the sons of God, we do not dread the coming Judgment on the unrighteousness of the unrighteous, seeing that we are His Bride, not those who seek a second opportunity for His destruction when He comes again.
 
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ChurchLover

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Dear saints,

Is it true that we will be raptured if we are matured in God's life (for those who will meet with Christ in His 2nd return)? is there any verses in the bible mentioned about this matter?

I hope to hear from you soon,

Thank you.
Yes we are in that time the lord will come when he comes
 
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AgeofKnowledge

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I am NOT a glutton for punishment lolol. I'll be happy to avoid any unpleasantness the Lord permits me to avoid.

Amen to that.

But it’s nice to know we are going to see the rise of the antichrist and are going through the Great tribulation and have to suffer for are faith and live by faith because we can’t take the mark to buy or sell.

As a Christian It’s nice to know all these things and because it is a part of his plan and in the scriptures for us to read.

So it must be important
 
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HelenTn

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sorry all, revive this thread again, because i'm still a bit of confuse about the pre-tribulation rapture, what does it means by that? as the church that i attending now mentioned about there is a person who has been raptured in OT.

[h=3]Genesis 5:24Enoch walked faithfully with God; then he was no more, because God took him away.[/h]
[h=3]Hebrews 11:5By faith Enoch was taken from this life, so that he did not experience death: “He could not be found, because God had taken him away.”[SUP][a][/SUP] For before he was taken, he was commended as one who pleased God.[/h]

 
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This is something I have often thought about, too.
Jesus received all of the Father's wrath toward us and we are now "accpeted in The Beloved". *happy sigh*

But as I say--I have not studied this. I admire those who feel certain. I feel certain I will be confused once my study begins! lol

I'm going to open a thread on it.

 

Grandpa

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Colossians 1:9-17
[SUP]9 [/SUP]For this cause we also, since the day we heard it, do not cease to pray for you, and to desire that ye might be filled with the knowledge of his will in all wisdom and spiritual understanding;
[SUP]10 [/SUP]That ye might walk worthy of the Lord unto all pleasing, being fruitful in every good work, and increasing in the knowledge of God;
[SUP]11 [/SUP]Strengthened with all might, according to his glorious power, unto all patience and longsuffering with joyfulness;
[SUP]12 [/SUP]Giving thanks unto the Father, which hath made us meet to be partakers of the inheritance of the saints in light:
[SUP]13 [/SUP]Who hath delivered us from the power of darkness, and hath translated us into the kingdom of his dear Son:
[SUP]14 [/SUP]In whom we have redemption through his blood, even the forgiveness of sins:
[SUP]15 [/SUP]Who is the image of the invisible God, the firstborn of every creature:
[SUP]16 [/SUP]For by him were all things created, that are in heaven, and that are in earth, visible and invisible, whether they be thrones, or dominions, or principalities, or powers: all things were created by him, and for him:
[SUP]17 [/SUP]And he is before all things, and by him all things consist.

When are we delivered from the power of darkness and translated into the Kingdom of his dear Son??

Paul speaks of this in the past tense.

Perhaps that would put into perspective the Lords words "The Kingdom of God is at hand".

This generation shall not pass until all these things be fulfilled.
 

Blain

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Well as far as scripture goes i haven't a clue, i go on what i feel from him. I do believe people are going to be raptured, i have seen with my own eye's this happening in a vision. Now the number of people getting raptured isn't very big. If i recall there was just a small group, but the number of people getting raptured in all i believe is 144,000. And those people will be divided into groups of two and become empowered by god. We will come back to earth to save all we can- or at least thats what i believe. However i have often imagined when we all stand before the throne and people bow to him i only see myself running to him in joy and love as he laughs with joy with open arms. Wouldn't that be a great way to reach heaven?
 
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Well as far as scripture goes i haven't a clue, i go on what i feel from him. I do believe people are going to be raptured, i have seen with my own eye's this happening in a vision. Now the number of people getting raptured isn't very big. If i recall there was just a small group, but the number of people getting raptured in all i believe is 144,000. And those people will be divided into groups of two and become empowered by god. We will come back to earth to save all we can- or at least thats what i believe. However i have often imagined when we all stand before the throne and people bow to him i only see myself running to him in joy and love as he laughs with joy with open arms. Wouldn't that be a great way to reach heaven?
You might want to consider a more authoritative source; i.e., Jesus' revelation (Heb 1:1-2), which is the NT given through the apostles.
 
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nathan3

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The word rapture is not written in the manuscripts. The act is not even described before the , tribulation of Antichrist.

It does say however that Christ is returning here, after', the tribulation of Antichrist/falsechrist etc.> ( Matthew 24: 29-30 )

The Bible teaches Christ, The Messiah , Savior of the world, will returning here to this earth; but not that he is taking anyone anywhere. ( Zechariah 14:4 ). etc.

1st thess. 4 is also after', the tribulation...But this is the tribulation of the Antichrist here: taught by Paul also >( 2nd thess 2: )

Also the subject is in verse 13. ( also the word ''air" in Greek, is breath of life, spiritual body. Its how it reads in the Greek. because its also Paul's subject. Same as 1 Cor 15, at the end. etc etc etc.

Clouds should be though of in this sense : ( Hebrews 12:1) because, Paul was the writer of Hebrews, he also wrote 1 Thess.

Taking these scriptures into mind. If there was a scripture that seemed as though it fits rapture. it really is not , and if your confused, just follow the order of events. Christ return is always after, Antichrist. not before. always at the 7th trump in Rev. never the 6th.



Rapture; is just not there, its not written. It's kinda , really, sad ,that this is so prevalent .
 

Elizabeth619

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Interesting info on the whole rapture theory that was invented by John Nelson Darby.

Prior to 1830, no church taught it in their creed, catechism or statement of faith.

This theory was thought up by a false teacher, and has become popularized.

Every Bible verse used by Rapture advocates are the same passages that Christians have used to prove the second coming with will being about the resurrection of all the dead, both wicked and righteous, translation of the living into spirit beings, the destruction of the earth, the great judgment and heaven and hell... all at the same time. You will see in every one of the rapture proof texts, that Rapture is not actually specified. Instead it is the good old second coming as taught historically by the church back to the first century, not some new doctrine revealed for the first time to the Plymouth Brethren through John Darby in 1830 AD.

There are shockingly few actual Bible texts that Rapture advocates actually use to attempt to prove rapture is taught in the bible.

Equally shocking is that many of those who teach the Rapture believe in continuous revelation. This means that they do not even need any Biblical passages to prove their new doctrine. They, as prophets, believe God has revealed it to them as a brand new Christian doctrine, that the first century Christians never believed, the apostles never taught. So they will openly admit they have little or nothing in the bible to support their new rapture theology. Of course they fail the test of a true prophet to possess the ability to perform miracles or at least a prophecy or two to come true.

The pretribulation rapture......historians are still trying to determine how or where Darby got it. . . . Possibly, we may have to settle for Darby's own explanation. He claimed that the doctrine virtually jumped out of the pages of Scripture once he accepted and consistently maintained the distinction between Israel and the church". (Timothy P. Weber, Living In The Shadow Of The Second Coming: American Premillennialism 1875-1982, 1983 AD, p 21-22).




 
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eternally-gratefull

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Dear saints,

Is it true that we will be raptured if we are matured in God's life (for those who will meet with Christ in His 2nd return)? is there any verses in the bible mentioned about this matter?

I hope to hear from you soon,

Thank you.

Rapture means "caught up"

while it is true that everyone will be caught up to God at some point, what is debatable is when this will happen.

One point.. being mature in Christ has nothing to do with whether one is rapture or not.. being IN CHRIST is what matters.
 

RickyZ

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The tribulation must be broken up into two parts to see clearly what happens. We are told repeatedly that we Christians will not escape judgment; and we are told the events of the seals and trumpets are judgments. That part of the tribulation events we will see. But God tells us we will escape His wrath, and are taught that the events loosed by the bowls is God's wrath. These we will not be a part of. So while we will see tribulation judgments, we will not see tribulation wrath.



http://christianchat.com/blogs/rickyz/246-3-1-will-we-go-through-tribulation.html

http://christianchat.com/blogs/rickyz/247-3-2-will-we-go-through-great-tribulation.html
 
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Eccl12and13

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Let's use just a little logic for a change.

Dan.12
[1] ...and there shall be a time of trouble, such as never was since there was a nation even to that same time...

Matt.24
[21] For then shall be great tribulation, such as was not since the beginning of the world to this time, no, nor ever shall be.

Now.....how many times can there be a time of trouble that has never been since there was a nation, since the beginning of the world, nor shall there ever be a time like it again?

ONLY ONCE! The ENTIRE Tribulation period will be as described above. The ENTIRE time will be a time like there has not been since the beginning of the world and there shall NEVER be a time as bad as the Tribulation period again!

So with that said......how can the Tribulation period be broken into (2) parts?

You cannot have the first part bad and the second part worse than the first....for that would mean that the first part was NOT a time that has not been since the beginning of the world, for it was followed by an even more terrible time; the second part.

The scriptures tells us that ALL of the tribulation period will be, "...a time of trouble, such as never was since there was a nation even to that same time...", and "...such as was not since the beginning of the world to this time, no, nor ever shall be."

And how long is this time of trouble to last? Let's read what the scriptures tells us;

Dan.12
[1] And at that time shall Michael stand up, the great prince which standeth for the children of thy people: and there shall be a time of trouble, such as never was since there was a nation even to that same time:

And how long will this time last? Let's read..

[5] Then I Daniel looked, and, behold, there stood other two, the one on this side of the bank of the river, and the other on that side of the bank of the river.
[6] And one said to the man clothed in linen, which was upon the waters of the river, How long shall it be to the end of these wonders?
[7] And I heard the man clothed in linen, which was upon the waters of the river, when he held up his right hand and his left hand unto heaven, and sware by him that liveth for ever that it shall be for a time, times, and an half; and when he shall have accomplished to scatter the power of the holy people, all these things shall be finished.

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eternally-gratefull

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The tribulation must be broken up into two parts to see clearly what happens. We are told repeatedly that we Christians will not escape judgment; and we are told the events of the seals and trumpets are judgments. That part of the tribulation events we will see. But God tells us we will escape His wrath, and are taught that the events loosed by the bowls is God's wrath. These we will not be a part of. So while we will see tribulation judgments, we will not see tribulation wrath.



http://christianchat.com/blogs/rickyz/246-3-1-will-we-go-through-tribulation.html

http://christianchat.com/blogs/rickyz/247-3-2-will-we-go-through-great-tribulation.html
tribulation is only one period.. 3 1/2 years. it is not broken up in two parts.. this is mans interpretation not supported by scripture.

Also.. the judgments and Gods wrath are the same.. you can not separate them.. sorry
 
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HelenTn

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The word rapture is not written in the manuscripts. The act is not even described before the , tribulation of Antichrist.

It does say however that Christ is returning here, after', the tribulation of Antichrist/falsechrist etc.> ( Matthew 24: 29-30 )

The Bible teaches Christ, The Messiah , Savior of the world, will returning here to this earth; but not that he is taking anyone anywhere. ( Zechariah 14:4 ). etc.

1st thess. 4 is also after', the tribulation...But this is the tribulation of the Antichrist here: taught by Paul also >( 2nd thess 2: )

Also the subject is in verse 13. ( also the word ''air" in Greek, is breath of life, spiritual body. Its how it reads in the Greek. because its also Paul's subject. Same as 1 Cor 15, at the end. etc etc etc.

Clouds should be though of in this sense : ( Hebrews 12:1) because, Paul was the writer of Hebrews, he also wrote 1 Thess.

Taking these scriptures into mind. If there was a scripture that seemed as though it fits rapture. it really is not , and if your confused, just follow the order of events. Christ return is always after, Antichrist. not before. always at the 7th trump in Rev. never the 6th.



Rapture; is just not there, its not written. It's kinda , really, sad ,that this is so prevalent .
I'm lost, Nathan, whats that mean?
 
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HelenTn

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Interesting info on the whole rapture theory that was invented by John Nelson Darby.

The pretribulation rapture......historians are still trying to determine how or where Darby got it. . . . Possibly, we may have to settle for Darby's own explanation. He claimed that the doctrine virtually jumped out of the pages of Scripture once he accepted and consistently maintained the distinction between Israel and the church". (Timothy P. Weber, Living In The Shadow Of The Second Coming: American Premillennialism 1875-1982, 1983 AD, p 21-22).


is it mean that no rapture been mentioned in bible? how about the verses that i quote there? Genesis 5:24 & Hebrews 11:5