Is the "Trinity" False?

[NWL]

Hey everyone, In my question here I'm not trying to attack or trying to 'prove' the Trinity wrong here (as some my conclude), I'm just interested in a Trinitarian "explanation" to the my question/scripture in question.

Here it is; (Acts 7:55, 56) “...Stephen, filled with the Holy Spirit, gazed into heaven and saw the glory of God, and Jesus standing at God’s right hand. ‘Look! I can see heaven thrown open,’ he said, ‘and the Son of man "standing" at the right hand of God..."​— The New Jerusalem Bible

Filled with God’s active force, Stephen saw Jesus “standing at God’s right hand.” From a certain point of view one might not think that Jesus became God after his resurrection to heaven but, rather, a distinct spiritual being.

So my question is, How can Jesus stand at the "right" hand of God if he "himself" is God? (The way I picture it is if 'God = Father/Son/Spirit' then how can the "Son" be seen "standing" at the "right hand" of the 'Son/Father/Spirit'.)

Thanks to those who read and answer, if possible please provide scripture along with your answer.

 

[wwjd_kilden]

Like someone else said: You can be a father, husband and son all at the same time

You as a human obviously maintain these roles in one body, God being God can show himself in more ways.

Remember that even angels can take human forms

 

[jimmydiggs]

Like someone else said: You can be a father, husband and son all at the same time

You as a human obviously maintain these roles in one body, God being God can show himself in more ways

That's a heresy known as Modalism.

The doctrine of the Trinity, is One Being (God) three persons (father, son, holy spirit). These three persons are distinct.

 

[Mediate]

To be honest, it doesn't really matter.

Jesus is God's Son.

God is the Father.

The Holy Spirit, to me, is simply love. It's the will of God. It is God.

The important part isn't what denomination you are, it's 'Do I have a giving, loving heart? Are my actions honouring Jesus' life and God's commands?' not 'Oh my, I have denied the Trinity, I must be burned'.

 

[Digital_Angel_316]

That's a heresy known as Modalism.

The doctrine of the Trinity, is One Being (God) three persons (father, son, holy spirit). These three persons are distinct.

Modalism has a time (or event) element to it. When acting in one's capacity as a father, the person may act or respond differently than in their capacity as a husband or son. But they are still the same physical person, acting in three capacities or PERSONA all in one PERSON.

Jesus acted differently in different situations (times or events);

1) Jesus rebuked the false teachers
2) Jesus had compassion on and taught truths to the ignorant, infirm and impoverished
3) Jesus submitted to the Authority of the Father, even unto death (not my will, but thine be done)

Thus, Jesus exhibited - AUTHORITY, COMPASSION and DISCERNMENT

1) Authority over the false authorities
2) Compassion on the ignorant, infirm and impoverished
3) Discernment over his own wishes as a person, and the right decisions to make for righteousness sake, as well as the ability to discern between the perpetrator and the victim, the arrogant and the ignorant.

In fact, it is these three criteria that must be met in order to be of a 'triune nature'.

Modalism on the other hand would be thought of perhaps as the three distinct literal persons at various and separate times, uniquely with one attribute, for example, A Lawgiver in one era (e.g. a Moses), a prophet in another era (e.g. a Jeremiah), a Judge in another era (e.g. a Samson). These are literally three different MODES (hence Modalism) of behavior.

Jesus fulfilled all three of these roles in one person, that is, Three PERSONA in one PERSON, a TRIUNE NATURE of AUTHORITY, COMPASSION and DISCERNMENT.

 

[GreenNnice]

In the words of Sher-kahn The Tiger (Disney's 'Jungle Book'), ”Bravo. Bravo. (clap, clap).”

Right on, DA. Case closed !

God is the same today as yesterday as forevermore.

God is all (three). God is all and all (and all).

 

[xino]

Jesus as a Human is the son of god!
inside Jesus contains God!

God entered a human flesh to make people come to him


and the Holy Spirit IS god! because it comes from God.
It is a living water that does not let you thirst

 

[wwjd_kilden]

That's a heresy known as Modalism.

The doctrine of the Trinity, is One Being (God) three persons (father, son, holy spirit). These three persons are distinct.

wow, this is the first time I am accused of heresy, do i win something?

 

[GreenNnice]

Hey everyone, In my question here I'm not trying to attack or trying to 'prove' the Trinity wrong here (as some my conclude), I'm just interested in a Trinitarian "explanation" to the my question/scripture in question.

Here it is; (Acts 7:55, 56) “...Stephen, filled with the Holy Spirit, gazed into heaven and saw the glory of God, and Jesus standing at God’s right hand. ‘Look! I can see heaven thrown open,’ he said, ‘and the Son of man "standing" at the right hand of God..."​— The New Jerusalem Bible

Filled with God’s active force, Stephen saw Jesus “standing at God’s right hand.” From a certain point of view one might not think that Jesus became God after his resurrection to heaven but, rather, a distinct spiritual being.

So my question is, How can Jesus stand at the "right" hand of God if he "himself" is God? (The way I picture it is if 'God = Father/Son/Spirit' then how can the "Son" be seen "standing" at the "right hand" of the 'Son/Father/Spirit'.)

Thanks to those who read and answer, if possible please provide scripture along with your answer.

Faith that God can do all things ? Be One, be Two, be Three, but, still, be One. John 1:1
Seen and unseen. Hebrews 11:1

I and the Father are one . John.10:30
I and my Father are one - The word translated "one" is not in the masculine, but in the neuter gender. It expresses union, but not the precise nature of the union

 

[Digital_Angel_316]

To follow up, for completeness, another example would be three different PERSONS in the SAME ERA or TIME frame which I don't think I addressed adequately or perhaps at all.

In such a case we see for example how Moses and Aaron were played off of each other, neither being able to be arbiter.

We see how the Sanhedrin was split into factions with Pharisees and Sadducees with the addition of the Scribes and how that system failed.

A modern example might be a Congress-person (LAW- MAKER), a News Reporter (Scribe) and a Judge. We see the discord in creating loopholes, goofball reporters with agendas, and Judge made law, all playing off each other.

The concept of a three part government of Executive, Legislative and Judicial is such a system of MODES of Operation (Modalism). It seems nice in theory and absent the element of human nature with it's attendant ID and EGO features, might work out - but it doesn't, it didn't, the US government has grown more and more selfish, more and more corrupt, just another Sanhedrin.

Some might say Jesus was Schizophrenic, Bi-Polar, had a multiple personality disorder -- again, take a look at today's goofball, made for TV, drug-dispensing head shrinks and their cover-up of man made social systems used for gain that lead to a set of social determinants of behavior that necessarily react to these social stimuli. Out of these come abortion, divorce, illegitimacy, homosexuality, fornication, all manners of 'criminal' activities (works of the flesh), and yet the individual person is adjudged, rather than the society or social system set up by Docs and Jocks, Lawyers and Judges, Teachers and Professors, Unions, Retail, Food & Beverage, Entertainment and other such systems that are for gain.

Jesus instead laid out a doctrine that helps disciples thereof to see the world as it is, the nature of man, the tendency to reaction to fleshly desires (ID), the response to cravings for the self (EGO) and shows a way to identify and avoid or overcome those altogether all-too-human traits, with a system of precepts of Right Living in Jesus, The WAY.

Quick response - end of rant ... looking forward to hearing your response and understanding...

 

[GreenNnice]

In the words of Sher-kahn The Tiger (Disney's 'Jungle Book'), ”Bravo. Bravo. (clap, clap).”

Right on, DA. Case closed !

God is the same today as yesterday as forevermore.

God is all (three). God is all and all (and all).

To follow up, for completeness, another example would be three different PERSONS in the SAME ERA or TIME frame which I don't think I addressed adequately or perhaps at all.

In such a case we see for example how Moses and Aaron were played off of each other, neither being able to be arbiter.

We see how the Sanhedrin was split into factions with Pharisees and Sadducees with the addition of the Scribes and how that system failed.

A modern example might be a Congress-person (LAW- MAKER), a News Reporter (Scribe) and a Judge. We see the discord in creating loopholes, goofball reporters with agendas, and Judge made law, all playing off each other.

The concept of a three part government of Executive, Legislative and Judicial is such a system of MODES of Operation (Modalism). It seems nice in theory and absent the element of human nature with it's attendant ID and EGO features, might work out - but it doesn't, it didn't, the US government has grown more and more selfish, more and more corrupt, just another Sanhedrin.

Some might say Jesus was Schizophrenic, Bi-Polar, had a multiple personality disorder -- again, take a look at today's goofball, made for TV, drug-dispensing head shrinks and their cover-up of man made social systems used for gain that lead to a set of social determinants of behavior that necessarily react to these social stimuli. Out of these come abortion, divorce, illegitimacy, homosexuality, fornication, all manners of 'criminal' activities (works of the flesh), and yet the individual person is adjudged, rather than the society or social system set up by Docs and Jocks, Lawyers and Judges, Teachers and Professors, Unions, Retail, Food & Beverage, Entertainment and other such systems that are for gain.

Jesus instead laid out a doctrine that helps disciples thereof to see the world as it is, the nature of man, the tendency to reaction to fleshly desires (ID), the response to cravings for the self (EGO) and shows a way to identify and avoid or overcome those altogether all-too-human traits, with a system of precepts of Right Living in Jesus, The WAY.

Quick response - end of rant ... looking forward to hearing your response and understanding...

In the words of Sher-kahn......

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DA, with all that's been said, you don't happen to have a 'superego' translation (transliteration?) /application to your said unmodalistic stance.

Great stance, Christbro ¡!¡!

 

[starfield]

Hey everyone, In my question here I'm not trying to attack or trying to 'prove' the Trinity wrong here (as some my conclude), I'm just interested in a Trinitarian "explanation" to the my question/scripture in question.

Here it is; (Acts 7:55, 56) “...Stephen, filled with the Holy Spirit, gazed into heaven and saw the glory of God, and Jesus standing at God’s right hand. ‘Look! I can see heaven thrown open,’ he said, ‘and the Son of man "standing" at the right hand of God..."​— The New Jerusalem Bible

Filled with God’s active force, Stephen saw Jesus “standing at God’s right hand.” From a certain point of view one might not think that Jesus became God after his resurrection to heaven but, rather, a distinct spiritual being.

So my question is, How can Jesus stand at the "right" hand of God if he "himself" is God? (The way I picture it is if 'God = Father/Son/Spirit' then how can the "Son" be seen "standing" at the "right hand" of the 'Son/Father/Spirit'.)

Thanks to those who read and answer, if possible please provide scripture along with your answer.

Acts 7:55, 56 does not disproves the Trinity. There are three persons in the Godhead but there is one God. I think "the Son of man standing at the right hand of God" denotes His equal power and authority with the Father. In Matthew 26:64, Jesus was speaking to the high priest prior to His crucifixion saying " Thou hast said: nevertheless I say unto you, Hereafter shall ye see the Son of man sitting on the right hand of power, and coming in the clouds of heaven".

Heb 8:1-Now of the things which we have spoken this is the sum: We have such an high priest, who is set on the right hand of the throne of the Majesty in the heavens;
Rev 3:21-To him that overcometh will I grant to sit with me in my throne, even as I also overcame, and am set down with my Father in his throne.
Jesus is on the throne with all power and majesty as God.

 

[wwjd_kilden]

by the way, what does it matter if they are the distinct or three versions if we all agree they are all God?

 

[WolfInOxHide]

Depends on how you look at it.

Ezekiel 8
Idol worship is worshiping a graven image of YHWH.
Weeping for Tammuz is saying God is a man and his own father.
Worshiping the sun instead of entering the temple is worshiping His attributes (one of which is the Spirit) instead of Him.
Branch to the nose: to smite spiritual awareness with messiah.

Literal 3 god trinity doctrine: serves what purpose?
Hear o Israel, YHWH your Elohim is one Elohim.

 

[Digital_Angel_316]

Depends on how you look at it.

Ezekiel 8
Idol worship is worshiping a graven image of YHWH.
Weeping for Tammuz is saying God is a man and his own father.
Worshiping the sun instead of entering the temple is worshiping His attributes (one of which is the Spirit) instead of Him.
Branch to the nose: to smite spiritual awareness with messiah.

Literal 3 god trinity doctrine: serves what purpose?
Hear o Israel, YHWH your Elohim is one Elohim.

Jesus repeated those words as he recited the two greatest commandments and in his life and teachings showed, that 'three in one, can be done'.

 

[WolfInOxHide]

Jesus repeated those words as he recited the two greatest commandments and in his life and teachings showed, that 'three in one, can be done'.

Not saying they can't be IN each other.

 

[RedTent]

I think you are all making a spiritual leap in understanding. I keep hearing on this post that Jesus is all, just follow Him only, all our instructions are in the NT, stay away from Judaism about the Father, and on and on. NOW you are saying that there is a triune God. Good. I have been disagreed with often for saying there is a triune God, or that what we learn about any of God helps us with our understanding. I don’t think we can say we are under only something new, or even that the resurrection separated us from God. God is eternal, God’s principles stay constant, God is present everywhere, God is the Father, Son, and Holy Spirit.

Romans 11:33 O the depth of the riches both of the wisdom and knowledge of God! how unsearchable are his judgments, and his ways past finding out!

 

[GreenNnice]

Not saying they can't be IN each other.

They are OF each other, oxedwolf

I think you are all making a spiritual leap in understanding. I keep hearing on this post that Jesus is all, just follow Him only, all our instructions are in the NT, stay away from Judaism about the Father, and on and on. NOW you are saying that there is a triune God. Good. I have been disagreed with often for saying there is a triune God, or that what we learn about any of God helps us with our understanding. I don’t think we can say we are under only something new, or even that the resurrection separated us from God. God is eternal, God’s principles stay constant, God is present everywhere, God is the Father, Son, and Holy Spirit.

Romans 11:33 O the depth of the riches both of the wisdom and knowledge of God! how unsearchable are his judgments, and his ways past finding out!

Excellent example and Word, readytent. God is our Father in Heaven, although His mediator for us is Jesus and His helpe for us is the HS, He is most definitely there right with (of) the two, making three, making One.


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starryfields, may the Spirit of God, the Light, our God,, never stop speaking through you brightly, His light-Handed Truth.

 

[chariot72]

And Jesus standing on the right hand of God - In his official character, as Mediator between God and man..
1tim6:16 says Who only hath immortality, dwelling in the light which no man can approach unto; whom no man hath seen, nor can see: to whom be honour and power everlasting. Amen.

So did Stephen see the splendor of God and Jesus. I think so. The bible is very clear on the Deity of Christ. He allways was God and is and will be. On earth he-as i understand it- laid down not His Deity but His prerogatives to it. So He lived an a perfect man, filled with the Holy Spirit. Bible says clearly God is Spirit. john4:24 God is spirit, and his worshipers must worship in spirit and in truth."
1john2:23 Whosoever denieth the Son, the same hath not the Father: (but) he that acknowledgeth the Son hath the Father also.


john1:1 In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.
1john5:20 We know also that the Son of God has come and has given us understanding, so that we may know him who is true. And we are in him who is true—even in his Son Jesus Christ. He is the true God and eternal life.

isaiah 9:6 For to us a child is born, to us a son is given, and the government will be on his shoulders. And he will be called Wonderful Counselor, Mighty God, Everlasting Father, Prince of Peace.

 

[Bea22]

That's a heresy known as Modalism.

The doctrine of the Trinity, is One Being (God) three persons (father, son, holy spirit). These three persons are distinct.

I was confused about the Godhead up until a few years ago. I had this same question posed to me by my late father many years ago when I was talking to him about the Father/Son/Holy Ghost relationship. So this is not a personal attack against Jimmy but rather a question to anyone who believes the trinity doctrine.

If God is three distinct separate persons that could potentially sit at a round table together - such as the illustration suggests...

And you happened upon this round table meeting and saw the three sitting there ----

At whose feet would you fall down and worship?