Loss of salvation???

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PAUL LETTERS WAS TO CHURCH'S CONCERNING PROBLEMS WITHIN THOSE CHURCHS NOT THE UNSAVED THAT IS WHY HE NEVER MENTIONS BAPTISM.

YOU WILL NOT, WILL NOT FIND ONE PLACE WHERE PAUL GIVES SPECIFIC INSTRUCTIONS ON HOW TO BE SAVED, HE WAS NOT TALKING TO THE LOST!!!!!!!!!

No, he is not he is telling those who have been saved to get out and prache to STAY SAVED.


Romans 10
King James Version
10 (((Brethren))), my heart's desire and prayer to God for Israel is, (((that they might be saved.)))

2 For I bear them record that they have a zeal of God, but not according to knowledge.

3 For they being ignorant of God's righteousness, and going about to establish their own righteousness, have not submitted themselves unto the righteousness of God.

4 For Christ is the end of the law for righteousness to every one that believeth.

5 For Moses describeth the righteousness which is of the law, That the man which doeth those things shall live by them.

6 But the righteousness which is of faith speaketh on this wise, Say not in thine heart, Who shall ascend into heaven? (that is, to bring Christ down from above:)

7 Or, Who shall descend into the deep? (that is, to bring up Christ again from the dead.)

8 But what saith it? The word is nigh thee, even in thy mouth, and in thy heart: that is, the word of faith, which we preach;

9 That if thou shalt confess with thy mouth the Lord Jesus, and shalt believe in thine heart that God hath raised him from the dead, thou shalt be saved.

10 For with the heart man believeth unto righteousness; and with the mouth confession is made unto salvation.

11 For the scripture saith, Whosoever believeth on him shall not be ashamed.

12 For there is no difference between the Jew and the Greek: for the same Lord over all is rich unto all that call upon him.

13 For whosoever shall call upon the name of the Lord shall be saved.

14 How then shall they call on him in whom they have not believed? and how shall they believe in him of whom they have not heard? and how shall they hear without a preacher?

14 How then shall they call on him in whom they have not believed? and how shall they believe in him of whom they have not heard? and how shall they hear without a preacher?

15 And how shall they preach, except they be sent? as it is written, How beautiful are the feet of them that preach the gospel of peace, and bring glad tidings of good things!
Well I disagree, Paul is telling them what is required to be saved. Doesn't matter whether he is telling saved people or not
 
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And here:
For it is by grace you have been saved, through faith—and this is not from yourselves, it is the gift of God— 9 not by works, so that no one can boast. Eph2:8&9

PAUL LETTERS WAS TO CHURCH'S CONCERNING PROBLEMS WITHIN THOSE CHURCHS NOT THE UNSAVED THAT IS WHY HE NEVER MENTIONS BAPTISM.

YOU WILL NOT, WILL NOT FIND ONE PLACE WHERE PAUL GIVES SPECIFIC INSTRUCTIONS ON HOW TO BE SAVED, HE WAS NOT TALKING TO THE LOST!!!!!!!!!

Paul didn't lie, we are saved by grace.

Can you show me where Paul tells us spicifily how to be saved?
 
PAUL LETTERS WAS TO CHURCH'S CONCERNING PROBLEMS WITHIN THOSE CHURCHS NOT THE UNSAVED THAT IS WHY HE NEVER MENTIONS BAPTISM.

YOU WILL NOT, WILL NOT FIND ONE PLACE WHERE PAUL GIVES SPECIFIC INSTRUCTIONS ON HOW TO BE SAVED, HE WAS NOT TALKING TO THE LOST!!!!!!!!!

Paul didn't lie, we are saved by grace.

Can you show me where Paul tells us spicifily how to be saved?
Again I disagree, Paul is plainly stating what is required to be saved
 
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Well I disagree, Paul is telling them what is required to be saved. Doesn't matter whether he is telling saved people or not

it really does matter.

We all have free will, I can only share HIS word and keep it context so people really understand it.

It for sure is very clear that Paul is speaking to the ones who have been saved not the unsaved.

If you want to go with them and leave out how to we get saved, that's up to you.
 
it really does matter.

We all have free will, I can only share HIS word and keep it context so people really understand it.

It for sure is very clear that Paul is speaking to the ones who have been saved not the unsaved.

If you want to go with them and leave out how to we get saved, that's up to you.
Well Paul is plainly stating what is required to be saved, there is no way around that, the same as he told the jailer what was required. He did not say baptism was required, however, they were baptised. And incidentally, no mention of speaking in tongues where the jailer and his household were concerned
 
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PAUL LETTERS WAS TO CHURCH'S CONCERNING PROBLEMS WITHIN THOSE CHURCHS NOT THE UNSAVED THAT IS WHY HE NEVER MENTIONS BAPTISM.

YOU WILL NOT, WILL NOT FIND ONE PLACE WHERE PAUL GIVES SPECIFIC INSTRUCTIONS ON HOW TO BE SAVED, HE WAS NOT TALKING TO THE LOST!!!!!!!!!

I would not have told you, you need to reread Acts 15 if I didn't read them.

Since you have your mind set on faith only salvation with removes all of the book at Acts to make it work, your looking for a needle in a haystack but can't find the needle but think you did and just say Peter changed his message without and evidence.

JESUS gave the KEYS TO HEAVEN TO PETER, AND YOU CLAIM WITHOUT ANY EVIDENCE that Peter in the past said, 38 Then Peter said unto them, Repent, and be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins, and ye shall receive the gift of the Holy Ghost.
39 For the promise is unto you, and to your children, and to all that are afar off, even as many as the Lord our God shall call.

NOW YOUR SAYING PETER SAYS ALL YOU NEED IS FATAH!!!!!

Peter never changed his message, Paul's message was the same as Peters.

Being baptized in JESUS name is how we get rid of our sins, Acts 2:38,22:16 it does not matter if you like it or not, that does not change the facts.

Paul did NOT have his own gospel. Notice how he introduces himself PAUL AN APOSTLE OF JESUS CHRIST.

Look who the letters are addressed to,

1 Corinthians,
1 Paul called to be an apostle of Jesus Christ through the will of God, and Sosthenes our brother,
2 Unto the church of God which is at Corinth, to them that are sanctified in Christ Jesus, called to be saints, with all that in every place call upon the name of Jesus Christ our Lord, both their's and our's:

2 Corinthians,
1 Paul, an apostle of Jesus Christ by the will of God, and Timothy our brother, unto the church of God which is at Corinth, with all the saints which are in all Achaia:

Romans,
1 Paul, a servant of Jesus Christ, called to be an apostle, separated unto the gospel of God,
2 (Which he had promised afore by his prophets in the holy scriptures,)
3 Concerning his Son Jesus Christ our Lord, which was made of the seed of David according to the flesh;
4 And declared to be the Son of God with power, according to the spirit of holiness, by the resurrection from the dead:
5 By whom we have received grace and apostleship, for obedience to the faith among all nations, for his name:
6 Among whom are ye also the called of Jesus Christ:
7 To all that be in Rome, beloved of God, called to be saints: Grace to you and peace from God our Father, and the Lord Jesus Christ.

Galatians,
1 Paul, an apostle, (not of men, neither by man, but by Jesus Christ, and God the Father, who raised him from the dead;)
2 And all the brethren which are with me, unto the churches of Galatia:

Ephesians,
1 Paul, an apostle of Jesus Christ by the will of God, to the saints which are at Ephesus, and to the faithful in Christ Jesus:

Philippians,
1 Paul and Timotheus, the servants of Jesus Christ, to all the saints in Christ Jesus which are at Philippi, with the bishops and deacons:

Colossians,
1 Paul, an apostle of Jesus Christ by the will of God, and Timotheus our brother,
2 To the saints and faithful brethren in Christ which are at Colosse: Grace be unto you, and peace, from God our Father and the Lord Jesus Christ.

1 Thessalonians,
1 Paul, and Silvanus, and Timotheus, unto the church of the Thessalonians which is in God the Father and in the Lord Jesus Christ: Grace be unto you, and peace, from God our Father, and the Lord Jesus Christ.

2 Thessalonians,
1 Paul, and Silvanus, and Timotheus, unto the church of the Thessalonians in God our Father and the Lord Jesus Christ:


All letters after the book of Thessalonians had nothing to with Paul’s ministry to churches.


Back to Paul

Proof Paul followed JESUS along with the rest of JESUS disciples is seen in what happened in the beginning stages of when he started the church of Ephesus Acts 19. For some reason Paul questioned whether the 12 disciples had the Holy Ghost yet. He found out the men did not know what happened at Pentecost. He told them about JESUS and they got baptized. And after Paul laid hands on them they received the Holy Ghost.

Acts 19,
1 And it came to pass, that, while Apollos was at Corinth, Paul having passed through the upper coasts came to Ephesus: and finding certain disciples,
2 He said unto them, Have ye received the Holy Ghost since ye believed? And they said unto him, We have not so much as heard whether there be any Holy Ghost.
3 And he said unto them, Unto what then were ye baptized? And they said, Unto John's baptism.
4 Then said Paul, John verily baptized with the baptism of repentance, saying unto the people, that they should believe on him which should come after him, that is, on Christ Jesus.
5 When they heard this, they were baptized in the name of the Lord Jesus.
6 And when Paul had laid his hands upon them, the Holy Ghost came on them; and they spake with tongues, and prophesied.
7 And all the men were about twelve.
8 And he went into the synagogue, and spake boldly for the space of three months, disputing and persuading the things concerning the kingdom of God.
9 But when divers were hardened, and believed not, but spake evil of that way before the multitude, he departed from them, and separated the disciples, disputing daily in the school of one Tyrannus.
10 And this continued by the space of two years; so that all they which dwelt in Asia heard the word of the Lord Jesus, both Jews and Greeks.

After Paul baptized those folk, and they received the Holy Ghost he stayed there for 2-3 years building the church of Jews and Gentiles.

DO YOU REALLY THINK PAUL AND PETER WERE TWO FACED?

GIVING DIFFERENT MESSAGES TO DIFFERENT PEOPLE?

There is time for you to seek JESUS face.

I know you love JESUS but I don't know why you can't read HIS word and keep you out of it.

Re "PAUL LETTERS WAS TO CHURCH'S [sic]": Well duh! Who else would he have been able to write?!

Re "YOU WILL NOT, WILL NOT FIND ONE PLACE WHERE PAUL GIVES SPECIFIC INSTRUCTIONS ON HOW TO BE SAVED": James456 cited a couple, which you summarily denied, so I will not bother citing dozens of others but only Rom. 3:21-5:1.

FYI, Paul's epistles were also meant for YOU, me, us all, everyone, whether saved or unsaved! (1Tim. 2:3-4, 2Tim. 3:16-17).
 
Just reread the posts

I don't need to reread anything, you can't find it that is why you can't prove it.

Wonder why people refuse to accept GODS word on how we get rid of our sins?

Did you know that Paul, was bapitzed?

Did you know that JESUS filled Paul with the Holy Ghost and Paul spoke in tongues more than most?

If you follow Paul, why not bring up Acts 19??

In Acts 19 Paul doen't tell us how to be reborn, HE SHOWS US IN REAL TIME.
 
Well Paul is plainly stating what is required to be saved, there is no way around that, the same as he told the jailer what was required. He did not say baptism was required, however, they were baptised. And incidentally, no mention of speaking in tongues where the jailer and his household were concerned

Your right, it also didn't say they didn't!!

So you agree with the need to be baptized?
 
I don't need to reread anything, you can't find it that is why you can't prove it.

Wonder why people refuse to accept GODS word on how we get rid of our sins?

Did you know that Paul, was bapitzed?

Did you know that JESUS filled Paul with the Holy Ghost and Paul spoke in tongues more than most?

If you follow Paul, why not bring up Acts 19??

In Acts 19 Paul doen't tell us how to be reborn, HE SHOWS US IN REAL TIME.
What you mean is, you have to ignore it
 
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I don't need to reread anything, you can't find it that is why you can't prove it.

Wonder why people refuse to accept GODS word on how we get rid of our sins?

Did you know that Paul, was bapitzed?

Did you know that JESUS filled Paul with the Holy Ghost and Paul spoke in tongues more than most?

If you follow Paul, why not bring up Acts 19??

In Acts 19 Paul doen't tell us how to be reborn, HE SHOWS US IN REAL TIME.

Did you know Paul was circumcised?
Did you know Paul discouraged SIT?
In Rom. 3:21-5:1 Paul tells us how to be reborn/get rid of sins.
 
Re "PAUL LETTERS WAS TO CHURCH'S [sic]": Well duh! Who else would he have been able to write?!

Re "YOU WILL NOT, WILL NOT FIND ONE PLACE WHERE PAUL GIVES SPECIFIC INSTRUCTIONS ON HOW TO BE SAVED": James456 cited a couple, which you summarily denied, so I will not bother citing dozens of others but only Rom. 3:21-5:1.

FYI, Paul's epistles were also meant for YOU, me, us all, everyone, whether saved or unsaved! (1Tim. 2:3-4, 2Tim. 3:16-17).

So you read Acts 15 again?

Sorry James 456 did not so the job is for you to prove it.

Romans 3:21 But now the righteousness of God without the law is manifested, being witnessed by the law and the prophets;

Romans 5:1 Therefore being justified by faith, we have peace with God through our Lord Jesus Christ:

ARE THEY SPECIFI INSTRUCTION ON HOW TO BE SAVED??

FYI, Paul's epistles were also meant for YOU, me, us all, everyone, whether saved or unsaved! (1Tim. 2:3-4, 2Tim. 3:16-17).

AMEN, we can all learn from Paul but still Paul does not tell anyone how to be saved!!
 
So you read Acts 15 again?

Sorry James 456 did not so the job is for you to prove it.

Romans 3:21 But now the righteousness of God without the law is manifested, being witnessed by the law and the prophets;

Romans 5:1 Therefore being justified by faith, we have peace with God through our Lord Jesus Christ:

ARE THEY SPECIFI INSTRUCTION ON HOW TO BE SAVED??

FYI, Paul's epistles were also meant for YOU, me, us all, everyone, whether saved or unsaved! (1Tim. 2:3-4, 2Tim. 3:16-17).

AMEN, we can all learn from Paul but still Paul does not tell anyone how to be saved!!
So the justified/righteous are not saved?
 
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Personally speaking, if any saved person refused to be baptised, I would be wary

The issue is not being WB but rather viewing WB as salvific rather than as portraying SB, which IS salvific,
just like circumcision (PT vs. SC per Rom. 2:25-29, Col. 2:11-13).