Loss of salvation???

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When you baptize someone, do you baptize in Jesus’ name or the name of the Father, the Son, and the Holy Spirit?

The same why HIS disciples baptized in JESUS name.

Why would anyone baptized any other way, can you show me anyone being baptized any other way?
 
You know ouch...
this is the oddest thread I've ever been on.
For instance, your above post is most confusing to me.

So, let's clarify please.

I'm going to assume (yeah) that you know what IN THE NAME OF means.

So let's move on:

Analogy (I hate analogies)

Someone comes to your church.
YOU are the pastor.
It's an adult believer and he wants to baptized.
You dunk him in a tub of water....
And you say....
I baptize you in the name of_________________________________________________

Please fill in.
Thanks.

JESUS for remission of your sins, is there any other way?

If so can you show me where anyone was baptized differently.

I bet I'm the only one who answers questions without beating around the bush or any explanations.

Like most around here answering questions which now you have to ask 4 more to understand what they mean.
 
So you don’t believe in the Trinity?

No why would I, JESUS IS GOD, do you think there are three?

I like letting his word do the talking.

Isaiah 28:10 For precept must be upon precept, precept upon precept; line upon line, line upon line; here a little, and there a little:

John 1:1 plus 10-12
1 In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.
10 He was in the world, and the world was made by him, and the world knew him not.
11 He came unto his own, and his own received him not.
12 But as many as received him, to them gave he power to become the sons of God, even to them that believe on his name:

John 2:19 Jesus answered and said unto them, Destroy this temple, and in three days ((( I will raise it up.)))

Look here, JESUS speaking to Nicodemus. JESUS is ON the earth and he is also in Heaven!!
John 3:13 And no man hath ascended up to heaven, but he that came down from heaven, even the Son of man which is in heaven.

John 10:30 I and my Father are one.

John 14:9 Jesus saith unto him, Have I been so long time with you, and yet hast thou not known me, Philip? he that hath seen me hath seen the Father; and how sayest thou then, Show us the Father?

1 Timothy 3:16 And without controversy great is the mystery of godliness: God was manifest in the flesh, justified in the Spirit, seen of angels, preached unto the Gentiles, believed on in the world, received up into glory.

Deuteronomy 6:4 Hear, O Israel: The LORD our God is one LORD:

Revelation 1:8 I am Alpha and Omega, the beginning and the ending, saith the Lord, which is, and which was, and which is to come, the Almighty.

Revelation 22:13 I am Alpha and Omega, the beginning and the end, the first and the last.

Revelation 22:16 I Jesus have sent mine angel to testify unto you these things in the churches. I am the root and the offspring of David, and the bright and morning star.

Verses that JESUS spoke and those that GOD spoke.
JESUS IS COMING
1 Thess 3:11-13, Matthew 25:31-46, Titus 2:11-13
GOD IS COMING
Zechariah 14:4,5, 1 Thessalonians 4:13-18, Revelation 19:11, 16

JESUS THE CREATOR
John 1:10, 1 cor 8:6, Ephesians 3:9, Col. 1:12-17, Hebrews 1:8-12, Revelation 4:8-11, 10:6, 14:6-7, 21:5-7, 22:3.
GOD THE CREATOR
Genesis 1:1, 2:7, Job 33:4, Psalm 33:6, 104:30, I sa 40:28, 44:24, 45:11-18, Mal 2:10

JESUS THE ROCK
1 Thess 3:11-13, Matt 25:31-46, Titus 2:11-13
GOD THE ROCK
Deut 32:1-4, 2 Samuel 22:1-3, 22:32, Psalm 18:2, 31:3, 78:34-35, 89:26, Isaiah 17:10-11

JESUS THE REDEEMER AND SAVIOR
1 John 4:14, 1 Peter 2:21-24, Acts 20:28, Gal 3:13, Luke 24:21-29, 2:10-11, Philippians 3:20, 1 Timothy 1:1-3, 4:10, Tutus 1:1-4, 2:10-13, 1 Peter 1:10-11, Jude 25
GOD THE REDEEMER AND SAVIOR
Psalm 78:34-35, I Isaiah 47:4, 44:6, 43:3-11, 45:21, 49:26, Psalm 106:21, Luke 1:46-47

JESUS FIRST AND LAST
Revelation 1:17, 22:13
GOD FIRST AND LAST
Isaiah 41:4, 43:10-11, 44:6-8

JESUS THE SHEPHERD
John 10:8-12, 1 Peter 2:21-25, Hebrews 13:20, 1 peter 5:4
GOD THE SHEPHERD
Psalm 23, Isaiah 40:10-11, Psalm 100

JESUS THE I AM AND I AM HE
John 18:5-8, 8:24-28, Revelation 1:17-18,
GOD THE I AM AND I AM HE
Exodus 3:13-14, Isaiah 43:10-11 and 25.

JESUS THE KING
Matthew 2:1-6, Luke 19:32-28, 23:3, John 18:37, 19:21, 1 Timothy 6:13-16, Revelation 15:1-4, 19:11-16
GOD THE KING
Psalm 24, 44:4, 74:12, Isaiah 43:10-15, 44:6-8, Jeremiah 10:10, Zechaniah 14:9
 
JESUS for remission of your sins, is there any other way?

If so can you show me where anyone was baptized differently.

I bet I'm the only one who answers questions without beating around the bush or any explanations.

Like most around here answering questions which now you have to ask 4 more to understand what they mean.
You believe in being baptized in Jesus' name only.

So why do you keep posting Matthew 28:19?

And it shouldn't take 4 questions to understand what a person believes to be true.
 
No why would I, JESUS IS GOD, do you think there are three?

I like letting his word do the talking.

Isaiah 28:10 For precept must be upon precept, precept upon precept; line upon line, line upon line; here a little, and there a little:

John 1:1 plus 10-12
1 In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.
10 He was in the world, and the world was made by him, and the world knew him not.
11 He came unto his own, and his own received him not.
12 But as many as received him, to them gave he power to become the sons of God, even to them that believe on his name:

John 2:19 Jesus answered and said unto them, Destroy this temple, and in three days ((( I will raise it up.)))

Look here, JESUS speaking to Nicodemus. JESUS is ON the earth and he is also in Heaven!!
John 3:13 And no man hath ascended up to heaven, but he that came down from heaven, even the Son of man which is in heaven.

John 10:30 I and my Father are one.

John 14:9 Jesus saith unto him, Have I been so long time with you, and yet hast thou not known me, Philip? he that hath seen me hath seen the Father; and how sayest thou then, Show us the Father?

1 Timothy 3:16 And without controversy great is the mystery of godliness: God was manifest in the flesh, justified in the Spirit, seen of angels, preached unto the Gentiles, believed on in the world, received up into glory.

Deuteronomy 6:4 Hear, O Israel: The LORD our God is one LORD:

Revelation 1:8 I am Alpha and Omega, the beginning and the ending, saith the Lord, which is, and which was, and which is to come, the Almighty.

Revelation 22:13 I am Alpha and Omega, the beginning and the end, the first and the last.

Revelation 22:16 I Jesus have sent mine angel to testify unto you these things in the churches. I am the root and the offspring of David, and the bright and morning star.

Verses that JESUS spoke and those that GOD spoke.
JESUS IS COMING
1 Thess 3:11-13, Matthew 25:31-46, Titus 2:11-13
GOD IS COMING
Zechariah 14:4,5, 1 Thessalonians 4:13-18, Revelation 19:11, 16

JESUS THE CREATOR
John 1:10, 1 cor 8:6, Ephesians 3:9, Col. 1:12-17, Hebrews 1:8-12, Revelation 4:8-11, 10:6, 14:6-7, 21:5-7, 22:3.
GOD THE CREATOR
Genesis 1:1, 2:7, Job 33:4, Psalm 33:6, 104:30, I sa 40:28, 44:24, 45:11-18, Mal 2:10

JESUS THE ROCK
1 Thess 3:11-13, Matt 25:31-46, Titus 2:11-13
GOD THE ROCK
Deut 32:1-4, 2 Samuel 22:1-3, 22:32, Psalm 18:2, 31:3, 78:34-35, 89:26, Isaiah 17:10-11

JESUS THE REDEEMER AND SAVIOR
1 John 4:14, 1 Peter 2:21-24, Acts 20:28, Gal 3:13, Luke 24:21-29, 2:10-11, Philippians 3:20, 1 Timothy 1:1-3, 4:10, Tutus 1:1-4, 2:10-13, 1 Peter 1:10-11, Jude 25
GOD THE REDEEMER AND SAVIOR
Psalm 78:34-35, I Isaiah 47:4, 44:6, 43:3-11, 45:21, 49:26, Psalm 106:21, Luke 1:46-47

JESUS FIRST AND LAST
Revelation 1:17, 22:13
GOD FIRST AND LAST
Isaiah 41:4, 43:10-11, 44:6-8

JESUS THE SHEPHERD
John 10:8-12, 1 Peter 2:21-25, Hebrews 13:20, 1 peter 5:4
GOD THE SHEPHERD
Psalm 23, Isaiah 40:10-11, Psalm 100

JESUS THE I AM AND I AM HE
John 18:5-8, 8:24-28, Revelation 1:17-18,
GOD THE I AM AND I AM HE
Exodus 3:13-14, Isaiah 43:10-11 and 25.

JESUS THE KING
Matthew 2:1-6, Luke 19:32-28, 23:3, John 18:37, 19:21, 1 Timothy 6:13-16, Revelation 15:1-4, 19:11-16
GOD THE KING
Psalm 24, 44:4, 74:12, Isaiah 43:10-15, 44:6-8, Jeremiah 10:10, Zechaniah 14:9
I have some news for you ouch.

If you believe Jesus is God but do not believe in the Trinity, it actually DOES mean you believe there are two God's.

It's heretical.

There is only one God.
 
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So has @Genez convinced you that a born again person has no need for WATER baptism?
What does your church teach you??

What does the pope teach you?
What are you, Catholic?

What matters, is what does the Bible teach you.

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No why would I, JESUS IS GOD, do you think there are three?

I like letting his word do the talking.

Isaiah 28:10 For precept must be upon precept, precept upon precept; line upon line, line upon line; here a little, and there a little:

John 1:1 plus 10-12
1 In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.
10 He was in the world, and the world was made by him, and the world knew him not.
11 He came unto his own, and his own received him not.
12 But as many as received him, to them gave he power to become the sons of God, even to them that believe on his name:

John 2:19 Jesus answered and said unto them, Destroy this temple, and in three days ((( I will raise it up.)))

Look here, JESUS speaking to Nicodemus. JESUS is ON the earth and he is also in Heaven!!
John 3:13 And no man hath ascended up to heaven, but he that came down from heaven, even the Son of man which is in heaven.

John 10:30 I and my Father are one.

John 14:9 Jesus saith unto him, Have I been so long time with you, and yet hast thou not known me, Philip? he that hath seen me hath seen the Father; and how sayest thou then, Show us the Father?

1 Timothy 3:16 And without controversy great is the mystery of godliness: God was manifest in the flesh, justified in the Spirit, seen of angels, preached unto the Gentiles, believed on in the world, received up into glory.

Deuteronomy 6:4 Hear, O Israel: The LORD our God is one LORD:

Revelation 1:8 I am Alpha and Omega, the beginning and the ending, saith the Lord, which is, and which was, and which is to come, the Almighty.

Revelation 22:13 I am Alpha and Omega, the beginning and the end, the first and the last.

Revelation 22:16 I Jesus have sent mine angel to testify unto you these things in the churches. I am the root and the offspring of David, and the bright and morning star.

Verses that JESUS spoke and those that GOD spoke.
JESUS IS COMING
1 Thess 3:11-13, Matthew 25:31-46, Titus 2:11-13
GOD IS COMING
Zechariah 14:4,5, 1 Thessalonians 4:13-18, Revelation 19:11, 16

JESUS THE CREATOR
John 1:10, 1 cor 8:6, Ephesians 3:9, Col. 1:12-17, Hebrews 1:8-12, Revelation 4:8-11, 10:6, 14:6-7, 21:5-7, 22:3.
GOD THE CREATOR
Genesis 1:1, 2:7, Job 33:4, Psalm 33:6, 104:30, I sa 40:28, 44:24, 45:11-18, Mal 2:10

JESUS THE ROCK
1 Thess 3:11-13, Matt 25:31-46, Titus 2:11-13
GOD THE ROCK
Deut 32:1-4, 2 Samuel 22:1-3, 22:32, Psalm 18:2, 31:3, 78:34-35, 89:26, Isaiah 17:10-11

JESUS THE REDEEMER AND SAVIOR
1 John 4:14, 1 Peter 2:21-24, Acts 20:28, Gal 3:13, Luke 24:21-29, 2:10-11, Philippians 3:20, 1 Timothy 1:1-3, 4:10, Tutus 1:1-4, 2:10-13, 1 Peter 1:10-11, Jude 25
GOD THE REDEEMER AND SAVIOR
Psalm 78:34-35, I Isaiah 47:4, 44:6, 43:3-11, 45:21, 49:26, Psalm 106:21, Luke 1:46-47

JESUS FIRST AND LAST
Revelation 1:17, 22:13
GOD FIRST AND LAST
Isaiah 41:4, 43:10-11, 44:6-8

JESUS THE SHEPHERD
John 10:8-12, 1 Peter 2:21-25, Hebrews 13:20, 1 peter 5:4
GOD THE SHEPHERD
Psalm 23, Isaiah 40:10-11, Psalm 100

JESUS THE I AM AND I AM HE
John 18:5-8, 8:24-28, Revelation 1:17-18,
GOD THE I AM AND I AM HE
Exodus 3:13-14, Isaiah 43:10-11 and 25.

JESUS THE KING
Matthew 2:1-6, Luke 19:32-28, 23:3, John 18:37, 19:21, 1 Timothy 6:13-16, Revelation 15:1-4, 19:11-16
GOD THE KING
Psalm 24, 44:4, 74:12, Isaiah 43:10-15, 44:6-8, Jeremiah 10:10, Zechaniah 14:9
Well then there you go. As I said before we are at a stalemate. You somehow get out the Bible that which only 2% of Christians in the world get. You are saying that 98% of Christians are wrong. You’re saying that Jesus just talked to Himself like a crazy person and called Himself His own son while also descending upon Himself like a dove.

But yes you’re almost there as Jesus is God, The Holy Spirit is God, and The Father is God. There is one God.
 
I have some news for you ouch.

If you believe Jesus is God but do not believe in the Trinity, it actually DOES mean you believe there are two God's.

It's heretical.

There is only one God.

Be great if you could help me with what I beleive.

How do I believe in 2 GODS?
 
Well then there you go. As I said before we are at a stalemate. You somehow get out the Bible that which only 2% of Christians in the world get. You are saying that 98% of Christians are wrong. You’re saying that Jesus just talked to Himself like a crazy person and called Himself His own son while also descending upon Himself like a dove.

But yes you’re almost there as Jesus is God, The Holy Spirit is God, and The Father is God. There is one God.

Yea I know, and it's sad.

If GOD is spirit,
And the spirit is spirit,
JESUS was in fact human but who impregantaed Mary? Spirit.

How do you come up with three gods?

That's why HIS word says,

Matthew 7:13-14
King James Version
13 Enter ye in at the strait gate: for wide is the gate, and broad is the way, that leadeth to destruction, and many there be which go in thereat:

14 Because strait is the gate, and narrow is the way, which leadeth unto life, and few there be that find it.

Maybe you should search out how the three god thery got started instead of thinking I'm a luntic?

I think this verse is the best what do you make of it?

JESUS speaking to Nicodemus. JESUS is ON the earth and he is also in Heaven!!
John 3:13 And no man hath ascended up to heaven, but he that came down from heaven, even the Son of man which is in heaven.

What's your thoughts, does that verse make any sense at all?
 
Yea I know, and it's sad.

If GOD is spirit,
And the spirit is spirit,
JESUS was in fact human but who impregantaed Mary? Spirit.

How do you come up with three gods?

That's why HIS word says,

Matthew 7:13-14
King James Version
13 Enter ye in at the strait gate: for wide is the gate, and broad is the way, that leadeth to destruction, and many there be which go in thereat:

14 Because strait is the gate, and narrow is the way, which leadeth unto life, and few there be that find it.

Maybe you should search out how the three god thery got started instead of thinking I'm a luntic?

I think this verse is the best what do you make of it?

JESUS speaking to Nicodemus. JESUS is ON the earth and he is also in Heaven!!
John 3:13 And no man hath ascended up to heaven, but he that came down from heaven, even the Son of man which is in heaven.

What's your thoughts, does that verse make any sense at all?
I’m saying there is one God. You’re either saying that there are 3 gods or that Jesus had an identity disorder.

That verse makes total sense to me because I don’t go simply off the KJV. The phrase “which is in heaven” does not appear in earlier Greek manuscripts. It was added later by KJV translators.
 
I’m saying there is one God. You’re either saying that there are 3 gods or that Jesus had an identity disorder.

That verse makes total sense to me because I don’t go simply off the KJV. The phrase “which is in heaven” does not appear in earlier Greek manuscripts. It was added later by KJV translators.

There is ONLY ONE GOD, HIS NAME IS JESUS.

What ever, no reason to move on we have different foundations.

All leading down different roads so how do we know with one to use.

Best of luck, I just wonder if you will ever find the truth?

Best of luck I'm out!!
 
Don't deflect. You said the Holy Ghost "falling on" in Acts 10 was not the same as being filled. As noted, scripture reveals otherwise.
The question was designed to show the answer. If you'll oblige with an answer, I'll show you how. If not, grace and peace.
 
The question was designed to show the answer. If you'll oblige with an answer, I'll show you how. If not, grace and peace.
No disrespect intended, but I do not need to be shown what was meant. Scripture accomplishes that.

You said, and I quote: "The Bible doesn't say those at Cornelius' house were filled with the Spirit. It says the Spirit fell on them."

And as previously noted, scripture reveals being filled and falling on are one in the same experience:

Peter speaking:
"And as I began to speak, the Holy Ghost fell on them, (Cornelius and others) as on us at the beginning." Acts 11:15

What Peter refers to in the above scripture is recorded in Acts 2:4. "And they were all filled with the Holy Ghost, and began to speak with other tongues, as the Spirit gave them utterance." Acts 2:4"
 
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There is ONLY ONE GOD, HIS NAME IS JESUS.

What ever, no reason to move on we have different foundations.

All leading down different roads so how do we know with one to use.

Best of luck, I just wonder if you will ever find the truth?

Best of luck I'm out!!
I point out where you are wrong on one verse and now you’re ready to move on. I don’t believe in luck. I would love to discuss further with you but if your mind is closed it will make no difference what truth i point out.

If you’re willing let’s look at a few verses starting with Matt 3:16-17
“And Jesus, when he was baptized, went up straightway out of the water: and, lo, the heavens were opened unto him, and he saw the Spirit of God descending like a dove, and lighting upon him: and lo a voice from heaven, saying, This is my beloved Son, in whom I am well pleased.”
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Here we see Jesus(Son), the Spirit(Holy Spirit), and the voice from Heaven(Father). We see 3 distinct persons acting simultaneously. How would you explain this?

Next let’s look at John 17:1-5
“These words spake Jesus, and lifted up his eyes to heaven, and said, Father, the hour is come; glorify thy Son, that thy Son also may glorify thee: as thou hast given him power over all flesh, that he should give eternal life to as many as thou hast given him. And this is life eternal, that they might know thee the only true God, and Jesus Christ, whom thou hast sent. I have glorified thee on the earth: I have finished the work which thou gavest me to do. And now, O Father, glorify thou me with thine own self with the glory which I had with thee before the world was.”
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Who is Jesus praying to here? Himself?

Then in John 14:26 we read
“But the Comforter, which is the Holy Ghost, whom the Father will send in my name, he shall teach you all things, and bring all things to your remembrance, whatsoever I have said unto you.”
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Again we see 3 distinct persons Comforter(Holy Spirit), sent by the Father in My name(Son).

And a verse that you’ve already posted Matt 28:19
“Go ye therefore, and teach all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost:”
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Did Jesus say “Go ye therefore, and teach all nations, baptizing them in My name”? No

Now let’s take a look at the history of God being taught as being only one person as you claim. It didn’t start til around 1913. So essentially you claim that for over 1800 years people’s beliefs were wrong.

The big question that you have to ask yourself is this: Should we learn from what the imperfect student did or from what the perfect Teacher taught?
 
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No disrespect intended, but I do not need to be shown what was meant. Scripture accomplishes that.

You said, and I quote: "The Bible doesn't say those at Cornelius' house were filled with the Spirit. It says the Spirit fell on them."

And as previously noted, scripture reveals being filled and falling on are one in the same experience:

Peter speaking:
"And as I began to speak, the Holy Ghost fell on them, (Cornelius and others) as on us at the beginning." Acts 11:15

What Peter refers to in the above scripture is recorded in Acts 2:4. "And they were all filled with the Holy Ghost, and began to speak with other tongues, as the Spirit gave them utterance." Acts 2:4"
The Spirit falling on the disciples happens in Acts 2:3. And something similar was what happened at Cornelius' house. There would be no way Peter could have seen the Spirit filling them.
 
What does the pope teach you?
What are you, Catholic?

What matters, is what does the Bible teach you.

....
Only Catholics practice water baptism?
What can I say?

But this is nice.
It means that the Catholics got this right !

And you should never ASSUME anything about anyone...
you know why, right?

I'm Protestant.
The kind that knows Christian theology and does not make her very own religion
by eisegeting the New Testament.

ALL Christian denominations that are orhtodox (mainline) believe in
WATER baptism.

Here are some:

BAPTISTS
PENTECOSTALS
CATHOLIC
ORTHODOX
ANGLICAN
EPISCOPALIAN
LUTHERAN
PRESBYTERIAN
ASSEMBLY OF GOD
NAZARENE
 
Please not that @Kroogz is giving you LIKES....
and you are not properly representing what JESUS taught by posting only sola fide type verses that make it APPEAR
that obedience to God may not be necessary or that we need ONLY faith to be saved with no accompanying good works.

This would not be what Jesus taught and since Jesus is our Savior, I would suggest that we do not improperly represent Him.

I see your non-biblical soteriology has not changed.
 
Be great if you could help me with what I beleive.

How do I believe in 2 GODS?
ouch

You said that you believe Jesus is God.

That's ONE GOD.


Then you said that while Jesus was on earth....God creator, Father,
was in heaven.

That's TWO GODS.

So you believe in at least two Gods.
I thought you were Christian??

The Christian RELIGION teaches that there is only one God.
It is a monotheistic religion.


Maybe you're of a different religion?